Building First PC, Will it fit?

LucasA618

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Hi, I'm new to building computers but really need a tower pc that I can game on so I threw some parts together on newegg to build it but I don't know if all of the parts will fit into the case, run together, if I'm missing anything important, and if it'll run games well. PLEASE help me by telling me if the parts will fit and if you experts think it'll run well. Thanks, below are links to all of the parts. Thanks so much.

Case -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811156098
Harddrive -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148840
Motherboard -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138352
Processor -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116502
Graphics Card -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130683
Monitor -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009316
 

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You should answer the questions in the sticky at the top of this sub-section, it will provide us with more information to better help you with.

Also for some reason I can't access any of your links, not sure what's with that.
 
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Thanks for the fixed links, and this build is pretty inefficient.

CPU: i7 is not necessary, an i5 3570K will be plenty powerful for all modern titles, the only one that can use a bit more CPU power is BF3 but that doesn't mean the 3570K is slow there either, just might cause bottlenecks IF you have a super high-end GPU configuration.
Hard Drive: Alright
Motherboard: Good find for the price with the rebate.
GPU: That is one overpriced 560 Ti, I think with the savings from the CPU you could up this to a 7950 (especially considering the amount you were about to put down for that 560).
Monitor: Alright, nothing amazing but should be fine for gaming.

What are the "sticky questions"? also why don't you like them? (Smildom)

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=80121

Also the case is fine if you're ok with the aesthetics of it, there are better overall cases in terms of performance for that price bracket though.

One thing I would like to urge against is using the 500W Raidmax PSU that ships with that case, the PSU is a very important component that can kill all other parts if it randomly dies. Go for a decent brand PSU considering the amount you're throwing down for this system.

I'd also recommend considering an SSD but as I don't know the budget I don't know how feasible that is.
 
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nsafreak

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The "sticky" we're referring to is the top post on the forum, specifically this one: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=80121 .

Insofar as my issues with the Smilodon cases they are:

1) Average airflow design, at best. That side 80mm fan really doesn't move all that much air and isn't always the best way to move air around your GPU

2) The included PSU is crap. Then again that's the case for most case/psu bundles

3) At $85 it's way overpriced. You can do much better with $85 for a case with something along the lines of an Antec 302, CoolerMaster HAF 922 or a Lian Li LANCOOL.
 

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Okay read the sticky questions and budget is around $1000 a little over wouldn't kill me but around $1000. I really just wanna game with friends and have a computer that runs faster than theirs. We'd be playing LFD2, Payday the Heist, BF3, Just Cause 2, Arma 2 (day-z), you know just games in general and I've just had a MacBook in the past and I'm about ready to actually start using a PC and play games and stuff. I think I wanna buy stuff from the US being from the US but idk why that really matters and brand wise as long as it works well than I don't see why it's super important. NOW! new question (and thanks guys for helping) what do you recommend for a Graphics Card/CPU/Motherboard/Case? And about the processor if i5 would work obviously the cheeper the better when it comes to dropping money so please give me your ideas. Also on the case as long as it works well I want it to look cool :p Thanks!
 

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mfenn's mid-range build is pretty much perfrect for your budget and intended uses, it can be found here.

Now the only issue is that his build is ~$1K without a monitor, so if you're willing to accept going over your budget a bit it should be fine. If not then just step down the video card to a 7850 and that should absorb most of the cost of a monitor.
 

LucasA618

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Okay it looks good, just a few more questions. 1) how do I know what a good case is? Because like I said (I think) I want it to be kinda flashy, this one isn't so much. 2) Why do you think I should go with i5? I mean things are always getting newer right? wouldn't i7 be more reliable? And last question what is the purpose of a Solid State Drive?
 

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1. A "good" case depends on the user's needs, for some it might be number of drive bays, others might just be build quality, some want the best designed airflow in mind, and some just want to know it's exotic and rare (and expensive). There are lots of good cases out there, I personally suggest people pick out a case that they like the styling of and that fits in the budget as cooling for the most part won't matter for most builds.

Yes some cases are better at cooling or noise dampening than others, but if a system only runs 1-2 120mm case fans, chances are they'll perform roughly the same unless the components are very high end and demand strong cooling set-ups.

2. Yes things are always getting stronger/newer, however games don't quite work that way. Of the top 50 games on the market, they probably are all built off roughly 5-10 big game engines and then just customized from there with their own coding. Some offer superior performance/realism at the cost of being very taxing on systems (like CryEngine3) and some just offer fairly good performance that works on almost any decent modern system (UT3 engine, Source engine). But one thing most of these games and engines share in common is that they do not scale beyond 4 threads.

There are a few exceptions to this, but for the most part games are still written primarily for dual core systems with a few more taxing titles designed for 4 cores/threads. While they could pretty readily start coding games that require/can scale off 8+ threads, they would alienate most of their user-base because they made a game that's just too demanding for all but 1% of people to play.

An i5 3570K is for all intents and purposes the same basic chip as an i7 3770K, the difference (aside from clocks) is that i7 processors offer HyperThreading, which effectively makes each core on the CPU act as 2 within the operating system. This is great for productivity software, such as video editing, high end photo editing, lots of engineering software. For gaming though, it's basically useless as the only title that is CPU bottlenecked by a 3570K is probably BF3, and that even bottlenecks on i7 processors.

3. An SSD is a special type of hard drive, standard hard drives are mechanical in that there's a spindle with discs basically that a laser writes and reads data from magnetically. SSDs, or Solid State Drives, are called such because they have no moving parts which introduces a number of benefits with how they're designed. Firstly they are blazingly fast, they're not limited by how fast a spindle can spin and basically instantaneous to respond to data requests. They can write and read many, many times faster than mechanical drives while making no noise or vibrations and consuming far less energy.

There are downsides to SSD's though, due to how they're designed currently they do have finite life cycles of a few thousand full writes, most average around 5,000 I believe. But don't let this get you down, under normal household usage that should last well over a decade if your SSD is 128GB or more. Mechanical drives fail too however they can theoretically go on forever, even if real world conditions don't really let that happen. They are also very expensive for the storage space they offer, for instance my Crucial M4 128GB cost me around $108 with tax, for that much I could have probably nabbed a 2 TB standard mechanical drive. But I love my M4 and wouldn't trade it for anything at this point.
 

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Okay it looks good, just a few more questions. 1) how do I know what a good case is? Because like I said (I think) I want it to be kinda flashy, this one isn't so much. 2) Why do you think I should go with i5? I mean things are always getting newer right? wouldn't i7 be more reliable? And last question what is the purpose of a Solid State Drive?

1) That's partially up to personal taste (especially in the looks department) and examining how the air flows in the system. It takes a bit of a trained eye to see it without the fans/cards/CPU in place so if you're new I would read a fair number of user reviews to see what the general consensus is. Typically the best case brands are Corsair, Antec, Lian Li and CoolerMaster.

2) An i7 really doesn't have that much over an i5 over gaming, and it isn't going to affect the longevity of the system before you consider upgrading. The only features that an i7 has over an i5 are that it has more cache (it needs it for HyperThreading) and that it has HyperThreading. That's really about it and there are a very small amount of games (really the only example that comes to mind is BF3, and minimally at that) that make much use of those features. Now if you were doing something like hardcore HD video editing or high end 3D rendering then yes we'd recommend an i7. For gaming however there isn't much of an advantage of going with an i7 over an i5.

3) A solid state drive is basically there to decrease load times of applications/OS/games. It's the quickest and easiest way to improve an aging system and it's going to have the most apparent affect on everyday use of even a new system. For example I swapped the mechanical HDD in my C2D laptop to a SSD and there was a noticeable performance increase simply because applications loaded faster.

If you want a "flashy" case (I'm more for form over looks but that's me). Then the cases I would recommend are:

CoolerMaster HAF922
NZXT Apollo
Antec 900
NZXT Phantom
 
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Dont get teh 2gb card, you only need 1gb or maybe 1.2 for that res. Also, that case sucks, I used it in my first build also (long time ago), no airflow and no room for cables, you wont be able to plug in any hard drives or graphics cards, get a HAF 912 or an antec 302 instead, itll be cheaper. Plus teh PSU that comes with the smilodon is a 250w psu iif ic remember correctly (21a on 12v)
 

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You guys are really helpful... Thanks, so more questions, Do you think that I should purchase an SSD right off the bat or in the interest of saving money should I wait until the computer becomes aged. Also what is bottlenecked? Sorry for my inexperience. Also as far as map making goes for games like Killing Floor? That wouldn't be a problem on an i5? Just thoughts
 

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OH! By the way nsafreak I just looked at the cases you recommended and I looked at the NZXT Apollo case and, not knowing much about cases, assumed it was worse because of lower price, would you recommend this case?
 

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I personally would suggest getting it at the start, your system will remain very responsive for quite some time (and typically you want to install the OS onto it, so unless you like reinstalling Windows...).

And a bottleneck is essentially the weak link in a system, the name comes from glass bottles which typically have a wide base that funnels into a very small opening. Your video card could me monstrously powerful but if your CPU can't feed it data fast enough, your CPU is the bottleneck in your system. With the items in mfenn's build the CPU and GPU aren't going to pose issues at 1920x1080, regardless of the title.
 

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Yes, we would highly recommend a SSD right off the bat since it'll take quite a while for an i5 to become aged. There are folks that are running first generation i5s and i7s (four year old CPUs at this point) that are doing just fine with perhaps a video card upgrade here and there. The term bottlenecked means that one component is slowing down the rest of the system. In the past it used to be the hard drives were the bottleneck in most high performance systems because the rest of the system was waiting for information to load from the HDD to process or to write to the HDD. Now with solid state systems that bottleneck has been eliminated. An efficiently built system nowadays is pretty hard to bottleneck nowadays although I suppose it's possible to have a GPU (video card) waiting on a CPU and vice versa but those are very rare cases. Map making isn't going to tax an i5 in the slightest. I currently have an i5 2500K overclocked to 4.0GHz and I'm currently doing the following:

Running multiple programs in the background
IRC client
IM client
3 separate instances of EVE Online (yes, I have 3 accounts: http://www.eve-online.com if you're not familiar with the game) across 3 monitors
1 instance of Firefox with multiple tabs
TeamSpeak 3 running
Along with several other programs

My CPU usage is sitting at about 35-40% ish depending on how much action is going on in EVE. Making maps on Killing Floor even with other programs going on is a drop in the bucket for modern CPUs.
 

nsafreak

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OH! By the way nsafreak I just looked at the cases you recommended and I looked at the NZXT Apollo case and, not knowing much about cases, assumed it was worse because of lower price, would you recommend this case?

Yes I would recommend the case if you're more into looks, it has decent airflow and if looks are your thing I think it has enough flash for most folks. Lower price on cases doesn't necessarily mean that they're a bad case. My Antec 300 ran me $60 and it's widely regarded as one of the best budget cases around. It can be an indicator of the quality of the build at times but not all the time. For example the ThermalTake Level 10 series of cases run $200 and up yet there are a fair number of quality issues with those cases.
 

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Okay, I'm taking all advise into mind and have looked at mfenn's build and I'm working on constructing another one but what is a, "Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory with heatshield Model PSD38G1600KH" and what is it used for?
 

LucasA618

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is it needed? and another question mfenn's computer build didn't have a mobo would you guys recommend a specific one? was the one I had planned to buy okay with the following new plan? and how is the new plan looking? thanks so much.

Case -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146025
Same Monitor
Same Harddrive
Graphics Card -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127667
Thing Seems Important (cooling) -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703036
Ram -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231422
CPU -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115233
SSD[B/] -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148529
 

krnmastersgt

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RAM = Memory = where your data is stored while you're using it for quick and easy use, so yes it is needed.

Get this combo i5 3570K + ASRock Z77 Pro3 as that's what mfenn's link was originally meant to link to.

As for the "cooling" component, that's just the power supply. PC Power and Cooling is the name of the company that developed that particular unit.

Everything else checks out.
 

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The RAM is indeed needed, system won't boot without it :). The motherboard that you previously selected will work just fine is actually a pretty good find for the price. Looks like a solid build overall and should give a very nice gaming experience.
 

LucasA618

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Sweet, grand total (monitor included) $1,167. Gonna take a few weeks to get the extra hundred but no biggy. If you two see any price cuts that can be made here or there tell me please :p But besides that, thank you guys very much! I'm glad I'll have a sweet new pc with a "flashy" case. Thanks.

Final:

Case -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146025
Monitor -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009316
CPU/Mobo -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...&SID=u00000687
Video Card -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127667
RAM -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231422
Harddrive -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148840
SSD -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148529
Fan -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703036
Checkout: $1,167

Thanks again to; krnmastersgt, and nsafreak
 

krnmastersgt

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Well if you don't mind the aesthetics you could step the case down to the M59, it's the case I'm currently using and aside from the length of the side-panel fan's cable I like the case.

Also as said before, that isn't a fan it's a PSU :p It's what powers the entire system by drawing power from a wall outlet and then converting it to a DC current, with the correct amps and voltages per specific component hooked up to it.

Also if you wish to buy the system now, you could just drop the 7950 to a 7850. While I'm not a fan of the design for this Visontek, this Visiontek 7850 should be sufficient for the most part. Though if you can wait I'd say opt for the 7950, it's got a much better cooling and power design and it's just an overall more powerful card.