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Building a New System (Anything worth waiting for releasing soon?)

jkalman

Junior Member
I'm building a new system. It has been around 2.5 years since my last complete system build (my last change was an update to the mobo, PSU and video card, all so I could run the ATI 1900 xtx).

My concern is that something is about to come out that is worth waiting for before putting in my current order with NewEgg. I figure updating to a quad core is a significant enough change to warrant the retirement of my AMD FX-53, especially considering that some new games are finally instituting multithreading in their programming.

One concern is that a octo-core cpu is not too far away, or sexto-core, quinto-core, septo-core, etc (OK, so it isn't that big a concern I guess). Another concern is that a major video card change will occur soon (though both of these take so long to trickle down into availability as to make waiting seem pointless - and as always, chip evolution according to Moore's law is inevitable still, for the immediate future anyway). I would hate to purchase an 8800 GTX SLI setup only to have significantly better cards release next month (quad SLI doesn't concern me much though, as so far they show little return on the investment, but an 89xx GTX, or ATI equivalent, with significant advance in graphics power would concern me and effect my decision on on a lot of my system build components...).

My goal is to have no problems playing the newer games, like Alan Wake and Hellgate London when they release (as well as any higher end MMORPGs of note, such as Conan and Warhammer Online, etc). I don't want my system to be too outdated by the release of these games, or any other games of note in the near future (though, I do realize the rate at which harware evolves does make a system out of date almost the month after you put it together...).

Anyway, here is a list of the components I am likely going to purchase. Please feel free to give me any input on whether there are items worth waiting for in the next few months that will quickly render a current choice ridiculously obsolete. I am not worried about saving money on my system (obviously...), I just want to make sure I don't miss out on any major change/evolution that will take place soon, as I don't plan on another complete system rebuild (aside from minor updates of the scale previously mentioned - e.g. changing out video cards and any components necessary to do so at the time) for another few years when enough significant changes have accrued once again. Also, please feel free to vent whatever other thoughts, annoyances, and assorted personality defects that come to mind when looking at my proposed system. I can take it.
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  • Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700
  • VIGOR GAMING CLT-M2LI 92mm CPU Cooling System (MACS) for Intel
  • ASUS Striker Extreme 680i
  • 2 (SLI) BFG Tech OC2 GeForce 8800GTX 768MB
  • CORSAIR Dominator 2GB DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1111 (PC2 8888)
  • LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner SATA Model LH-20A1S
  • COOLER MASTER Stacker 830 Case
  • 2 (RAID 0) Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM
  • COOLER MASTER Real Power RS-A00-EMBA ATX12V / EPS12V 1000W
  • Creative SOUND BLASTER X-Fi Fatal1ty
  • SAMSUNG Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive

Thanks in advance! 😉 Also, if there are any potential hardware conflicts or issues I should be wary of, or potential alternate considerations, etc, etc, please let me know, so your pain and suffering can be to my benefit. Thanks again... And may the schwartz be with you, always.
 
Price drop on cpu at the end of this month.

RAID 0 is just a bad idea. PSU is overkill. I'd ditch the sound card (Vista drivers suck).
 
I like RAID 0, even if only for quicker startups. 🙂 Is there any reason you don't like it besides the essentially doubled probability of hard drive failure?

The PSU overkill is to make upgrading SLI video cards easier in two generations or so, assuming they still use the same power supply connectors. Do you think they will change the connectors again any time soon? Perhaps I should go with a high power modular design to cover my ASCII?

The price drops on the 22nd don't seem to include a drop in price on the Extreme QX6700 from what I have seen so far on websites. Did you see information that suggests otherwise?

I am not using Vista until it shows comparable performance to XP for gaming, which it doesn't yet. By then I'm sure Sound Blaster will have better Vista drivers (right now none of the Vista drivers are stellar from what I've read and seen in posted tests). Game performance right now on Vista is rather lackluster from the benchmarks I have seen online...
 
I've decided to switch the PSU to the following modular model, to avoid potential compatibility issues with future hardware releases:

  • ENERMAX Galaxy EGX1000EWL ATX12V/ EPS12V/ BTX 1000W Power
 
Oh, BTW, a separate soundcard is an essential for my setup since the gaming machine will be hooked up in my Home Theater and will be multipurpose in its use. The higher quality the digital output, the better, as it will be pumped into a high-end multichannel DSP with high-end DACs. I don't need good analog output, but the digital output having a high sampling rate and high bits per sample (for dynamic range) will benefit my setup. The Sound Blaster card I chose can feed my Surround Processor 96 KHz and 24 bits per sample (I'm more concerned with the 24 bits for the dynamic range than the greater sampling rate, but I won't complain for having the extra sampling...).
 
There are plenty of cheaper power supplies that will handle the SLI 8800 GTX cards.

If you are worried about future cards using even more power, don't be. Video card makers are headed in the direction of cpu makers, producing more efficient GPU's that use less power.

Yeah, the reason I said "no" to RAID 0 is the doubling of your chance of data loss. IMO, it is not worth the insignificant performance increase. I've actually went from dual 74GB raptors to a single 160GB 7200rpm drive, and I barely noticed the difference.


http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=PS-EIN720&c=fr

That's a good price and would run those two 8800 GTX cards with ease.
 
I thought my 510W TurboCool (or equivalent) would last me a good deal of time, but I now need to replace it with something beefier (I'm hoping to avoid that during me next upgrade in a around 1.5 years to 2). So far I keep having to replace my power supply every time I do a upgrade. I'm rather lazy when it comes to upgrades, and would prefer not to have to remove all the plugs and unseat the PSU dring that upgrade. While I do have some faith that GPUs will work on other methods of increasing speed (shrinking GPU size, more efficient pipeline/instruction designs, etc), I'm not sure they will completely stop utilizing more power as of yet.

Another issue, is that, despite what I mentioned earlier about quad-SLI, I do have some hope that it might eventually be worthwhile. Do you think that quad-SLI will ever glean significant results enough to make the additional power in the PSU worthwhile?

With an overall build-it-yourself system price at around $4500 using NewEgg, the extra $175 doesn't bother me too much in the scheme of things (much like my choice of memory costing significantly more than almost everything else on the market...). If it really won't benefit me in two years when I upgrade though, I don't see the point in spending the extra money for nothing (though, if you arent absolutely sure of this, let me know, as I'm a little peeved I have to replace my TurboCool this time around!). Now if only I could get some ultra-high-end memory in 2 x 2GB sticks (and have it address correctly on all the current boards - which I have heard is an issue on some boards).

Thanks again! 🙂
 
I think your build looks great. I totally understand your PSU logic and I think the Galaxy is a better PSU. Good luck.
 
I like RAID-0. While the performance increase isn't much, I enjoy the convenience of having one very large drive in Windows vs. several smaller drives. I've been running RAID-0 systems for years, and my current system has two RAID-0 arrays. Of course hard drives do fail, so if you do RAID-0, make sure you back up your data (which you should always do anyway.) If you have everything backed-up, there is little to worry about.

As for waiting and waiting for the next models to come out--I think, in general, that it's a silly idea. You can easily wait forever as something newer and better is always around the corner. If you're ready to buy now, then buy now. You can always upgrade down the road. Also, consider that the 8800-GTX cards represent a revolutionary jump in video card performance not seen in many years. Surely an 8900GTX won't be as significant a jump. Waiting for the R600 may be a wise idea if you're so inclined, as even if it doesn't beat an 8800, it will surely reduce prices as it brings some competition back to the high end.

The processor may be another story, however, as better and cheaper (much cheaper) Quad Cores are just down the road. If you buy now, at least get the new QX6800, which runs at 2.93Ghz. However, my advice is to wait until Peryns come out early next year for moving to quad. 45nm means faster, more capable chips at cheaper prices, and I don't think we'll see a quad core hit the price/performance sweat spot until the Peryns are available. Given this, another option is to buy now with a C2D E4300-E6600 chip and upgrade to a Peryn down the road. Most 680i boards should take a Peryn easily, but there is always a risk otherwise.

Lastly, if you do buy a Quad now, I recommend staying away from the Striker. They're known to have issues with overclocking quad cores. Buy an eVga A1 or T1 model instead.

Good luck,

Mark.
 
Originally posted by: theYipster
Lastly, if you do buy a Quad now, I recommend staying away from the Striker. They're known to have issues with overclocking quad cores. Buy an eVga A1 or T1 model instead.

This is good to know, as I am going to get the QX6700 and OC it to QX6800+ speeds, since the only difference is the clock anyway... Which 680i board would you recommend to someone who plans on bringing a Quad-core up to over 3.2 GHz speeds? Which eVGA board would you recommend more?

Thanks!
 
The eVga A1 and T1 are physically identical. The difference is that the A1 has a lifetime retail warranty and the T1 has a two year OEM warranty. I recommend getting the A1. Out of all 680i manufacturers, I recommend eVga for their warranty and excellent customer support. ASUS is also top class, but if you want a 680i board, look at their standard model.

Mark.
 
One more thing...

If you are planning to run Vista, be warned that you will probably have a very hard time getting your digital sound setup working, no matter the card you buy. The Vista Audio stack has been completely re-written, and card vendors are still having a hard time coming out with drivers that aren't complete garbage. Creative, unfortunately, seems to be the worst at this right now.

I have confidence that the driver issues will pass, but for now you may want to stick with XP if you're depending on an intricate sound setup. There are third party drivers and application bundles that improve the Creative situation significantly (re: upax) but it's by no means an ideal setup.

Mark.
 
Thanks for the advice.

I don't plan on using Vista until SP1 most likely. This is a Home Theater gaming PC, so I want optimal surround sound compatibility. I guess that, and the video driver issues in Vista are two very large strikes against it in terms of my desire to upgrade.

I'll look into those eVGA boards tonight at some point. Thanks again.
 
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