How about YOU giving me a link to official census data that interviewed every reputable climatologist and asked they believe global warming is caused by humans and will have major effects. After all, you initially made the claim.
How about YOU giving me a link to official census data that interviewed every reputable climatologist and asked they believe global warming is caused by humans and will have major effects. After all, you initially made the claim.
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BlancoNino, I can't link it, but I've seen the head of the National Academy of Sciences say that global warming has a broader consensus among scientists globally, with stronger evidence, than any other issue he's seen in several decades.
Al Gore's movie cites the several hundred credible studies supporting it, with zero on the other side.
The hundreds of millions spent by the oil companies to attack the science are well-documented, for example, here's one expose:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/05/some_like_it_hot.html
Your turn, to show the long list of credible climatoligists on the other side.
Al Gore's movie cites the several hundred credible studies supporting it, with zero on the other side.
The hundreds of millions spent by the oil companies to attack the science are well-documented, for example, here's one expose:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/05/some_like_it_hot.html
Your turn, to show the long list of credible climatoligists on the other side.
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Here is a thumbnail summary of the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which synopsize the scientific consensus on this issue.
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sandorski
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Global Warming is undeniably occuring, it's as true as the fact the Sun will shine tomorrow(everywhere that's not cloudy). You won't find any Climatologist denying that. What you can find are some Climatologists/Scientists who disagree with the overall consensus of what is causing it.
http://www.sitewave.net/pproject/listbystate.htm
No scientists/biologists/climatologists/meteorologists/oceanographers/other specialists in life science fields disagree with the following statement
"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."
???????? None at all?!?!?!?!??!
No scientists/biologists/climatologists/meteorologists/oceanographers/other specialists in life science fields disagree with the following statement
"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."
???????? None at all?!?!?!?!??!
sandorski
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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
http://www.sitewave.net/pproject/listbystate.htm
No scientists/biologists/climatologists/meteorologists/oceanographers/other specialists in life science fields disagree with the following statement
"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."
???????? None at all?!?!?!?!??!
What was that, a list of names?
Again, they don't deny warming, they deny human causes/responsibility. They are wrong.
Sandorski, who are you to say they are wrong? Gore cites a couple thousand (even that many?) scientists who agree with his movie. This site proves there are way more than that.
It proves my original point that not ALL reputable climatologists/scientists support the idea that global warming is caused by humans and will have major effects on the earth.
I too picked a random name from the list - noting all the 'MD's who are unqualified to speak on global warming - Peter Cannon, PhD.
Google showed he works in the field of medicice, too. Interesting to note that the list offers no info on the backrounds of the signers, and it's clear that at least many, if not all or nearly all, are not climatoligists qualified to speak on the issue.
So, we're still waiting for the big list of *credibile climatologists* from Blanco.
Google showed he works in the field of medicice, too. Interesting to note that the list offers no info on the backrounds of the signers, and it's clear that at least many, if not all or nearly all, are not climatoligists qualified to speak on the issue.
So, we're still waiting for the big list of *credibile climatologists* from Blanco.
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It proves no such thing. You have provided no information on who any individual signatory is, much less evidence that they are reputable climatologists. It appears that most of them are laypersons without advanced degrees.
Moreover, you're misstating what you said earlier was your point. You were supposedly refuting my statement that "[t]here is no reputable climatologist on earth that denies that global warming/climate change exists, and that it will have major effects on the planet." My statement said nothing about the source of global warming.
"Signers of this petition so far include 2,660 physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists (select this link for a listing of these individuals) who are especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide on the Earth's atmosphere and climate."
"Signers of this petition also include 5,017 scientists whose fields of specialization in chemistry, biochemistry, biology, and other life sciences (select this link for a listing of these individuals) make them especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide upon the Earth's plant and animal life."
It clearly says that not ALL of them are scientists...besides you can be an MD and still be a scientist anyway.
READ THE DAMN WEBSITE!
I've never seen such ignorance in all of my life...am I the last intelligent person in P&N???????
Don Vito Corleone
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The website is a list of names. I don't know what I'm supposed to glean from that. I will repost, for effect, my point above:
FWIW, I definitely don't think you're the "last intelligent person in P&N," and in fact that phrase assumes facts not in evidence.
The webPAGE is a list of names. The webSITE is more information about it.
Your statement said nothing of the source, but it was obvious that was your intent. You worded it quite carefully.
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What the hell are you talking about? The "webSITE" also appears to contain not one kernel of information on who these signatories are as far as I can tell.
Maybe you should stick to the "drunk driving is OK" threads.
ONCE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Signers of this petition so far include 2,660 physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists (select this link for a listing of these individuals) who are especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide on the Earth's atmosphere and climate.
Signers of this petition also include 5,017 scientists whose fields of specialization in chemistry, biochemistry, biology, and other life sciences (select this link for a listing of these individuals) make them especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide upon the Earth's plant and animal life.
Think they're going to give a nice big biography of all 17,000 + signers? This sums it up.
Nice personal attack on the "drunk driving is ok" thread that I've NEVER started. Not once did I ever say drunk driving is okay, so try to quote me on that so you can have a little credibility with your claims (I'm trying to help you out here).
Don Vito Corleone
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Again, how are we to assess the credibility of these people? I am an attorney. I could circulate a petition among excellent attorneys, or, if I chose, one among bottom-dwellers, each of whom had been disciplined by the bar. They would all have "J.D." after their name, and no layperson would know the difference, but one petition would have validity, and one wouldn't. Unless you can show me who these people are, I have no way of knowing whether they are reputable climatologists (and, I hasten to point out, only about 15% of them are climatologists at all).
Moreover, as I am now saying for the third time, this petition DOES NOT SAY that global warming doesn't exist - it relates only to causation, which I never mentioned in the first place.
All of this, I guess, is a long way of saying that you are not the last intelligent person in P&N.
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