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Lifer
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Okay so here's another cheap graphics question. I have a system with an AGP 4x bus and I need to decide between the ATI 9550 and the Nvidia 6200. the 9550 has 256MB DDR memory with a 128-bit bus. The 6200 is the BFG OC variant with 256 DDR memory. I don't really play many games, with the exception of Counter-Strike: Source. My question is, which one of these cards will play better on my crappy system? I do plan to overclock as much as possible, so thoughts on that would be nice.
 

v8envy

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What's your budget? 256 meg on those cards is pure marketing, they don't need more than about 64 megs. They simply don't have the gpu oomph nor the memory bandwidth to use that much (slow) ram. Either one is about 1/4 the power of a 6600GT, and won't gain any performance even with a gigabyte of ram.

These cards are truly scraping the bottom of the barrel. If you're not going to play 3d games, you can get an FX5200 for around $35. If you aren't going to game, save another $10-15.

If you are planning to game, skip a few lunches or mow a few lawns to get a 6600GT, X700Pro or X1600Pro in AGP. Both occasionally dip down to $100, and while that may be twice your budget you'll be MUCH happier with one of those cards.

 

Ika

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My budget is $100-$150. But here's the catch - I can't order online, nor can I use mail-in rebates, so the 100-150 needs to be instore, cash only. (it hurts). now, the only reason I'm considering these two cards is because I'm currently playing CS:S on... an MX420, with 64MB ram. I'm quite sure that these cards are better than the MX420 (at least, i sure hope so.). As for gaming, I don't think I'll be playing any games that are more graphics-intensive than Half-Life 2 or Halo PC, which I play on my MX420 anyway, even though I have to turn resolution way down and details nearly off. I'm just looking for a DX9, lag-free experience fragging people.

Anyway the only other cards I've seen in store are the 6600 (non GT) for about 150, and the 6600GT OC for $200 (yikes!). In-store really crunches my options, but it's all I can do.

Anyway, does anyone have any benchmarks (ha, ha) for Half-Life 2 (Source engine) with either the 9550 or the 6200? Since Source is ATI-biased, I would expect the 9550 to run a bit better, but it IS a generation older...
 

Ika

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I can get to Best Buy and CompUSA. um, that's pretty much it... some more in a pinch (staples, circuit city), but it won't be easy. suggest a few and i might remember that there are a few around here.

996GT2 - I would get a 9600/9800 pro/XT, but I can't find any. I also can't find any X700s or, heck, any previous-generation cards that weren't hardcore-budget.
 

996GT2

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Do you have a Dell Dimension 4550 or Similar?

Sorry to tell you this, but I don't think your AGP 2x/4x slot is compatible with AGP 4x/8x cards. I believes the voltages are different or something like that. So when you search, I think you have to search for AGP 2x/4x cards
 

Extelleron

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And you can't shop online why? If you're just afraid of putting CC # into the Internet, believe me, I've done it 4-5 times over the past few weeks and my house hasnt fallen down. Realize that you'll be paying 2-3x as much in store for the same thing.
 

v8envy

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No AR and no online with a $100 budget means no gaming, really. Neither one of those cards are 'best' -- the difference in performance in anything modern mean a fraction of a frame per second. Even the difference between 10 and 11 fps may be a giant percentage, but won't be perceptible to you.

The ultra-budget hardware hasn't advanced by nearly the leaps and bounds that the midrange and high end have. A ti4200 would give you better frame rates than the choices you have, and that's a 4+ year old card.

Looks like you'll be paying double what the rest of us are paying, with your restrictions.

$100-150 for a 6600 may be your only hope. I have that card now, and it lets me play games. Not at high res or with FSAA, and I crank all the options WAY down, but I can get 30+ fps at 1024x768 with HL2. Remember that you're running the Directx7 codepath with your MX420, so the Directx8 codepath will look prettier, but won't give you huge frame rates. I guess you could force the DX7 codepath with those cards for 50+ fps, but I'm not sure it'll run much faster.

Look through the phone book for local mom-n-pop computer shops. They have older cards for obscene prices, but may be able to order newer hardware from their distributer for less than a 100% mark up you see at CompUSA etc.
 

Sunrise089

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I take it you don't have access to a credit card. I would buy the $150 6600 I guess, but really, I would try to find a board member you trust and mail him/her the cash and have them buy the card for you online. Online you can get a much better card for the $150, Newegg has an AGP 6600GT from eVGA for $122AR.
 

imported_Kiwi

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Originally posted by: guoziming
Okay so here's another cheap graphics question. I have a system with an AGP 4x bus and I need to decide between the ATI 9550 and the Nvidia 6200. the 9550 has 256MB DDR memory with a 128-bit bus. The 6200 is the BFG OC variant with 256 DDR memory. I don't really play many games, with the exception of Counter-Strike: Source. My question is, which one of these cards will play better on my crappy system? I do plan to overclock as much as possible, so thoughts on that would be nice.
Since we don't know "how crappy" the thing is, your question is a little problematic. The Radeon 9550 is much slower than the 128 Bit Geforce 6200, and lacks the Shader 3.0 capabilities, as well as some other features. However, neither one is a "Gaming" VGA card, not really. For much of anything in the way of game play, you must either spend more money, or shop in a used parts market.

Although it is now outdated, the 6600GT is still holding its own pretty well when a Price/ vs. Performance ratio is calculated (the 6800GS currently has the top spot in that calculation), and it's not truly way beyond the 128-Bit 6200 in price ($35-40, maybe less, difference, at MSRP). I've seen the 6600GT's on shelves in Brick & Mortar stores, like CompUSA, for $100-120, so keep your eyes open! You also should be able to locate a Radeon 9800Pro, or 9800 XT, still new, but discounted now, with its omission of Shader 3.0, and those are decent cards that now ought to be affordable, even on ordinary retailers' shelves.

To really see how poor the Radeon 9550's performance actually is, go to Gpureview.com and compare the 9550 to its bigger brother, the 9600 Pro (which is roughly in the same speed category that the Geforce 6200 occupies). Regarding the comment about where the Ti-4200 ranks with the 9550, it should be faster, and the 64 Bit Geforce 6200's are slow, but the 128 Bit 6200 is faster than a Ti-4200 at stock speeds (I've actually compared the two here on a system of mine, and both 4200/6200 can OC about the same amount). The limited scope of the raw numbers at that comparison site are pretty good about comparing cards from the same family, but not across chip set origins (the raw numbers would have you believe that nVidia's FX series were twice as good as they truly were, when racked next to ATI's R 9xxx's).

There are sites where you can see various benchmarks compared on a lot of VGA cards, like THG (I know, I know!), but one thing that they do is include some seminal cards from prior generations, but tested against modern benchmark standards. Adrian's Rojak Pot also has some broad-scale comparisons. The Geforce 6200 (in 128 Bit guise, not the badly crippled 64-Bit versions), isn't a "bad" card, but is overpriced compared to "better" cards (better for games, like that stronger big brother, the 6600GT, or its still better sibling, mentioned already, the 6800GS).


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Ika

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996GT2 - Yeah, Dimension 4500. I was afraid of something like power connectors or some incompatibility. Thanks for the heads up, I'll check it out.

Sunrise089 - yep, no access to credit card. I was considering posting something in FS/T about my predicament, but then I realized if I posted something scammers would probably jump in line to pwn me. PM me if you have any further thoughts on this, thanks!


Anyway I've been considering my options and I realize now that I pretty much have no choice but to have someone order a card online for me. I'm most likely considering X800 vanilla or X700 Pro.
 

evolucion8

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The Radeon 9550 is based on the 9600 GPU, and it runs as the same 400MHz found on the Radeon 9600 PRO, it runs a bit slower than the 9600XT who outperforms the 6200 by a considerable margin. DOn't get aa 9500 SE or LE because those ones sucks with it's 64 Bits BUS, If I were you I would buy the 9550, is cheap, good DX 9 performer (at 9600 PRO level) You can overclock it too. You may try to find the 9600XT, or 9700, 9800 PRO series, or may be the X700 or X800 GTO, but probably is going out of your current budget, those cards are unbeatable with the Price/Performance ratio for now.
 

imported_Seer

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My 9550 overclocks from 250/195 to 470/235. And it's passive. Without extensive testing (Im just using ATITool to bench), that's an effective %30 fps increase.
 

imported_Kiwi

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Originally posted by: evolucion8
The Radeon 9550 is based on the 9600 GPU, and it runs as the same 400MHz found on the Radeon 9600 PRO
Ever so wrong! Take a look at the comparison site. A 9550 is 25-30% slower than a Vanilla 9600, nothing at all like a 9600 Pro. Where in the world did you get all of this misinformation?

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=80&card2=74
it runs a bit slower than the 9600XT who outperforms the 6200 by a considerable margin. DOn't get aa 9500 SE or LE because those ones sucks with it's 64 Bits BUS, If I were you I would buy the 9550, is cheap, good DX 9 performer (at 9600 PRO level) You can overclock it too. You may try to find the 9600XT, or 9700, 9800 PRO series, or may be the X700 or X800 GTO, but probably is going out of your current budget, those cards are unbeatable with the Price/Performance ratio for now.

Put all of those you named through the comparison at GPUreview, and get your facts sorted out.


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