Budget DX9 GF FX based video cards from Nvidia

Glitchny

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hasnt ATI already done this basicly? i mean i wouldt say they are the first company to do it...
 

PliotronX

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Originally posted by: Glitchny
hasnt ATI already done this basicly? i mean i wouldt say they are the first company to do it...
Nope, the lowend ATI cards (8500, 9000, 9100 and now 9200) are all DX8.1 parts, so NV is the first to do this. How well the budget part from NV will perform in DX9 is debateable. But OEMs will eat it up, and game developers will start designing games with DX9 in mind sooner than if all budget cards were behind. This is excellent news.
 

Megatomic

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Originally posted by: PliotronX
Originally posted by: Glitchny
hasnt ATI already done this basicly? i mean i wouldt say they are the first company to do it...
Nope, the lowend ATI cards (8500, 9000, 9100 and now 9200) are all DX8.1 parts, so NV is the first to do this. How well the budget part from NV will perform in DX9 is debateable. But OEMs will eat it up, and game developers will start designing games with DX9 in mind sooner than if all budget cards were behind. This is excellent news.

I agree completely. We may see DX9 games by the end of the year/beginning of next year now. :)

 

Megatomic

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Originally posted by: Reliant
Isn't the Radeon 9500 DX9 and pretty cheap?

Yes, it's DX9 and no it's not cheap. Less expensive than the 9700 but by far not cheap.

 

nemesismk2

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The GeForce FX 5200 sounds like a great upgrade for my aging GF4 MX440 which has served me well for over a year now. It's going to be interesting what ATI will release to compete with the 5200 because let's be honest who's going to buy any of their dx8 video cards when the 5200 is released?
 

merlocka

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This is great news, as it will put DX9 functionality into OEM and will allow developers to target a wide install base of hardware.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: Reliant
Isn't the Radeon 9500 DX9 and pretty cheap?

If you mean the 9500 non pro? Yes it is cheap. But it performs like a$$. I think you can get them for about 160 if im not mistaken. Still a lot more money
than 79.00 for a GFFX based value card. I know, I know, ATI to the end....... mumble mumble....yada yada.....
 

Reliant

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Reliant
Isn't the Radeon 9500 DX9 and pretty cheap?

If you mean the 9500 non pro? Yes it is cheap. But it performs like a$$. I think you can get them for about 160 if im not mistaken. Still a lot more money
than 79.00 for a GFFX based value card. I know, I know, ATI to the end....... mumble mumble....yada yada.....

I wasn't sure how cheap they were or weren't.
So what do you think ATI will do?
This is good for us consumers!:D
 

Keysplayr

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I believe ATI is coming out with the 9300 or 9400 and 9600. from low to high end. Dont know what their pricing will be.
 

nemesismk2

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I believe ATI is coming out with the 9300 or 9400 and 9600. from low to high end. Dont know what their pricing will be.

It will be a fight between the ATI 9200 which is just a agp 8x version of the Radeon 9000 and the GF FX 5200, I believe the 9300, 9400 and 9600 willn't be in the price range of the GF FX 5200.

Isn't ATI's new range going to be 9200/9600 and 9800? Where did you get 9300, 9400 and 9600 from?

All Nvidia needs to do is to keep saying: DX9 for $79!!!
 

rogue1979

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I am looking forward to the Geforce 5600 Ultra. It has been said that it will be released at $179-$199. It looks like the 9600 Pro and the 5600 Ultra are going to go head to head, maybe that will get the price of both closer to $179. .13 micron cores on both of those, I would look for possible gpu speeds of 450MHz. Looks like the 5600 Ultra comes with 700MHz memory compared to the 600MHz for the 9600 Pro.

I have had all the ATI cards so far, Radeon 8500 128MB, Radeon 9000 64MB, Radeon 9000 Pro 128MB, Radeon 9100 128MB, Radeon 9500 128MB, Radeon 9500 Pro 128MB, Radeon 9700 and Radeon 9700 Pro. Call me crazy, I just like Geforce4 better. Running my trusty Asus Ti4200 at 300/662. The 9500/9700 still has a couple of driver issues, the wavy line syndrome on some monitors, and on a lot of motherboards will not tolerate a high agp bus speed. The GF4 for me has none of these issues. I must add that the 8500 and 9000 series are as good, but the 9500-9700 still aren't perfected yet. I play my games at 1600 x 1200 and really can't see a big improvement with FSAA at this resolution, and believe me I used it with the 9700 Pro which is the only card that can handle those settings fast enough. The GF4 plays Unreal 2003 smoothly at 1600 x 1200 without FSAA and looks fantastic.

I haven't discounted ATI yet, and several of my systems are still running Radeons, I guess I am just admitting that Nvidia is my favorite.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Have you seen any specs for the FX 5200? And where did you get the idea of $79? Largely it seems that nVidia has really hacked a lot out of the NV30 to get to the NV31 and NV34. @ 45 million transistors and clocks speeds under 325MHz core and ram, the GeForce 4 Ti line will most likely eat the 5200's for breakfast and still have room for lunch. DX9 is NOT a reason to get a 5200, any DX9 games would most likley kick the crap out of the card just as much as they would non DX9 boards like a Radeon 9200.

Truthfully, the 5200 seems to be just another MX board meant to be cheap and meant to do things other than gaming (with a major emphasis on "other than").

"The 5200 chips have an integrated TV encoder, TMDS transmitters and two integrated 350 MHz RAMDACs. Another interesting feature is HDTV support."

The 5200 seems as if it will not require a fan, just like the 9200...hmm... we already know the 8500-9100 perform just behind a Ti 4200, so it would be safe to assume that so will a 9200. And Toms Hardware is hinting that the only area the 9200 Ultra perfroms better than a GF4 Ti is with AA and performance AF enabled. Gotta wonder how the $99 non Ultra 9200 will perform, and I'm not counting on much from it.

Even though ATI's value part will not support DX9, they still have the advantage of time and the fact that it already performs at the levels it should. It is possible that nVidia could gain some ground in the budget niche with their 5200/Ultra, although it seems that the Radeon 9200 will already have a firm base to kick off from. The midrange segment is also somewhat promising for nVidia, the 5600 boards should provide some competition for the Radeon 9600, but I'm not sure either the 5600 nor the 9600 will easily take on the 9500 (Pro at least).

It's good nVidia is attacking on all fronts, it just doesn't seem like they are going at ATI with enough fire power.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Originally posted by: rogue1979
I am looking forward to the Geforce 5600 Ultra. It has been said that it will be released at $179-$199. It looks like the 9600 Pro and the 5600 Ultra are going to go head to head, maybe that will get the price of both closer to $179. .13 micron cores on both of those, I would look for possible gpu speeds of 450MHz. Looks like the 5600 Ultra comes with 700MHz memory compared to the 600MHz for the 9600 Pro.

I've read the 9600 Pro will operate @ 400MHz core and the 5600 Ultra @ 350MHz core. Although the major blow to the RV350 is that it had half of its pixle piplines chopped off, I guess ATI had to do this otherwise the 9600 Pro's fillrate would challenge the 9800 Pro's... This does mean, however, that the 9500 Pro has a good chance of being faster than a 9600 Pro despite the drasically beefed core clock.

The 5600 Ultra should come with 350MHz memory, although this doesn't immediately mean that the 5600 Ultra has an advantage over the 9600 Pro's 300MHz memory. The R300 has proven to be extremely efficient with memory bandwidth in bandwidth intensive situations, the R350 even more so. There isn't much reason to believe the RV350 will be very different.
 

rogue1979

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I forgot one big ATI compaint, locked bioses on some of the cards! Kinda reminds me of Intel... It's my video card once I buy it, (or a cpu for that matter) if I burn it up then it is my business. If I overclock it to performance levels of a higher model than that's my business too. If I take it and flush it down the tiolet that is my choice, if ATI or Intel doesn't like the fact that my overclocking screws their f*cked up model performance/pricing bullsh!t, then I will support Nvidia or AMD. While their attempts to force me to buy a product and run it at a rated speed works on the general public, I will figure out a way to mod it, flash it, or overclock it. If that doesn't suit me than I will buy a product that does allow this thing that is one of many peoples favorite hobbies.
 

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Originally posted by: nemesismk2
The GeForce FX 5200 sounds like a great upgrade for my aging GF4 MX440 which has served me well for over a year now. It's going to be interesting what ATI will release to compete with the 5200 because let's be honest who's going to buy any of their dx8 video cards when the 5200 is released?

Don't make a decision beased solely on NVidia's PR "Info".

Wait until you see the acutal card and see how it performs in games before you make up your mind.

If it supports DX9, but will only run games at 9 FPS would your really be happy with it?

The next few weeks will defintely clearfy the picture for the low end and mid range battle.

5200 Vs 9200

5600 vs 9600

 

chizow

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Even though ATI's value part will not support DX9, they still have the advantage of time and the fact that it already performs at the levels it should. It is possible that nVidia could gain some ground in the budget niche with their 5200/Ultra, although it seems that the Radeon 9200 will already have a firm base to kick off from. The midrange segment is also somewhat promising for nVidia, the 5600 boards should provide some competition for the Radeon 9600, but I'm not sure either the 5600 nor the 9600 will easily take on the 9500 (Pro at least).

The 9500pro is all but finished. Wondered why no one has them instock? Its pretty clear now. ATi threw the 9500/pro out as a stop-gap in the middle performance market b/c they had nothing to combat the Ti4200-Ti4400 in the $150-$200 segment. We've all seen they are R300 cores, plain and simple, and therefore cost much more than a core that is physically cheaper to manufacture. Remaining R300 cores will be focused on the 9700/pro cards as they've dropped into a much more affordable niche as well ($200-$300), and the 9600/pro will fill out the $150-$200 niche. There's no need from ATi's perspective to keep putting out a higher performing part at a smaller margin in the 9500pro, which is why its a moot point to include it in future 9600/5600 comparisons. There's a reason they developed RV350 on a .13 process, and it wasn't because they wanted to keep throwing expensive .15 R300 cores on a $150 card.

Chiz
 

kylebisme

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exactly chizow. however, i also want to point out that i am confident that the 9600 will be a worthy sucessor to the 9500 despite the fact that it is much cheaper to manufature.
 

nemesismk2

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We can only hope!
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nemesismk2

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Originally posted by: blahblah
Originally posted by: nemesismk2
The GeForce FX 5200 sounds like a great upgrade for my aging GF4 MX440 which has served me well for over a year now. It's going to be interesting what ATI will release to compete with the 5200 because let's be honest who's going to buy any of their dx8 video cards when the 5200 is released?

Don't make a decision beased solely on NVidia's PR "Info".

Tom's Hardware Guide seems happy with the performance of the Geforce FX 5200 and that's good enough for me.
 

1ManArmY

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It's still too early to tell, what's a gamer to do with all these damn cards coming out with no clear cut no brainer decision. I know ATI is on top for now but if the product is not stable it can become frustrating.