BTX appears deader than a doornail

[Zebo]

I have been looking at conroe mobos none BTX...

 

[broly8877]

Many OEMs have a good amount of their PCs using BTX though.

Main reason was for Tejas / Intel's hot CPUs... with Core 2, well, you know.

 

[Rubycon]

Will there be a CTX?

Sounds like a monitor hehe.

 

[0roo0roo]

pretty much dead. after market case makers aren't biting. with stuff like the p180, why bother.

 

[her34]

even though there's no more tejas, i'd still like to see btx take over:

1) pci cards face right side up
2) controlled air flow between cpu and gpu allow for better and quieter cooling
3) with gpu's facing right side up, you could have fans that are perpindicular to the card instead of parallel, again leading to better and quieter cooling

 

[Lord Evermore]

Originally posted by: her34
3) with gpu's facing right side up, you could have fans that are perpindicular to the card instead of parallel, again leading to better and quieter cooling

They still wouldn't be likely to do that, it would just be too likely to bump into something like the main cooler shroud, and what about an SLI board, where you've still got another card sitting on one side or the other for it to hit, and slots in between that are rendered unusable. BTX doesn't take SLI into account at all of course, no cooling provided to other slots.

It just becomes a mire of various systems that are slightly incompatible with each other, and more people complaining to tech support. Besides, dual-slot coolers already should provide pretty close to the same performance, unless you want to make the heatsinks themselves take up even more space.

As for PCI slots facing right side up, they could have just made the PCIe spec point them in the right direction, if it mattered. If a device is supposed to take up only a certain amount of space, it shouldn't matter which way it's facing in terms of combinations of PCI and PCIe slots. I don't think the chips and components on a card will get significantly better cooling simply from facing upward, compared to the cooling action of airflow, and if you have more than two cards, you just change the direction that the heat is radiating from one into the other.

Of course if you look at manuals, the tech makers all seem to think we have actual desktop machines laying flat on the desk. The cards are vertical there, so the PCI orientation doesn't matter.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: broly8877
Many OEMs have a good amount of their PCs using BTX though.

Main reason was for Tejas / Intel's hot CPUs... with Core 2, well, you know.

Haha it's no longer "broke" so no need to fix it.. ATX is just fine for 65W conroes.

 

[0roo0roo]

yea oems have had a history of weird setups. daughter cards on m/bs and all sorts of nonsense to make it hard to upgrade your system. not a garrantee of mass adoption at all.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1906393,00.asp

 

[RebateMonger]

If I had my way, we'd still be using VESA slots instead of PCI...AGP...PCI-X...and PCI-E. And "AT" cases instead of that worthless ATX "upgrade". There are very few jobs that an AT case and a 32-bit VESA bus couldn't handle that our current setups can.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: broly8877
Many OEMs have a good amount of their PCs using BTX though.

Main reason was for Tejas / Intel's hot CPUs... with Core 2, well, you know.

Haha it's no longer "broke" so no need to fix it.. ATX is just fine for 65W conroes.

If we had the attitude "not broke so dont fix it", we'd be stuck on ancient hardware. BTX has better ventilation, that is a fact.

Quadcore Kentsfield will once again push 100+W.
3Ghz + X2 K8's are pushing 130+W already

Power consumption has only gone higher over the decades and it is inevitable again. When the 486's were pushing 10W, people back then were like "OMFG 10W !!$@!$!@%". Now we're hitting 100W and ppl are doing the same.

 

[jwalker46]

Actually, nearly half (4 or 9) of the new 965 chipset motoherboards Intel just introduced

http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reselle...a/eng/products/desktop/board/index.htm

are BTX form factor.