• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Browning M1919A4 - found in Iraq

Cienja

Cienja

Senior member
I'll be going to see this when it's on display. Too bad they "demilitarized" it...

"OGDEN, Utah (AP) -- A World War II-era Browning machine gun discovered by Utah reservists serving in Iraq will soon have a home in a local museum.

The Standard-Examiner of Ogden reports the M1919A4 machine gun was discovered by the 96th Sustainment Brigade of Utah's Fort Douglas in Taji, Iraq during its 2009-2010 deployment. The unit was working with Iraqi military and found the weapon while sorting through debris after the bombing of a supply depot.

Capt. John Lovejoy says the gun was immediately recognized by reservists, who got permission to keep it.

The gun has been restored and "demilitarized" so that it can't fire.

It will soon be placed in the Browning Arms Museum at Union Station in Ogden.

The Browning Arms Company was founded in Ogden."
 
Numenorean said:
No they didn't. It's not restored if it isn't in the original condition.

They fucked it up is what they did.
Click to expand...


I can appreciate that from a "Holy Crap, A .50 Cal - Let's Shoot it!!" perspective. But it *is* a 60 year old weapon, with highly dubious maintenance (if any at all), and I know that I would be very - VERY - hesitant to fire it. For all we know, the condition of the thing wasn't repairable.

Besides - It may also be the case that no combination of people in the unit had the requisite Type 8 (Importer) and Type 3 (Curio and Relic) Federal Firearms licences.

Come to think of it - a .50 cal machine gun is classified as a "Destructive Device" (which it clearly is!!) under the National Firearms Act, so they're need a Type 9 FFL at a minimun, and have to obtain specific approval from the ATF for the weapon.
 
jlee said:
Likely something to do with federal law on "importing" automatic weapons - I'm not overly familiar. You'd think there would be an exception for a US-made military firearm going in a museum...
Click to expand...

There will be no exceptions to the red tape. The red tape is there for the good of the people.
 
Scotteq said:
I can appreciate that from a "Holy Crap, A .50 Cal - Let's Shoot it!!" perspective. But it *is* a 60 year old weapon, with highly dubious maintenance (if any at all), and I know that I would be very - VERY - hesitant to fire it. For all we know, the condition of the thing wasn't repairable.

Besides - It may also be the case that no combination of people in the unit had the requisite Type 8 (Importer) and Type 3 (Curio and Relic) Federal Firearms licences.

Come to think of it - a .50 cal machine gun is classified as a "Destructive Device" (which is clearly is!!), so they're need a Type 9 FFL at a minimun, and have to obtain approval from the ATF.
Click to expand...


An M1919A4 is .30, not .50. A firearm is a machine - take it apart and make sure everything is in order. It's not rocket science.

I'm saying a museum should be able to display a firearm in its original condition. If you're going to destroy it, you might as well make a resin model and paint the damn thing and let a collector own the real one.
 
jlee said:
An M1919A4 is .30, not .50. A firearm is a machine - take it apart and make sure everything is in order. It's not rocket science.

I'm saying a museum should be able to display a firearm in its original condition. If you're going to destroy it, you might as well make a resin model and paint the damn thing and let a collector own the real one.
Click to expand...

You still need a Type 9, and specific permission from the ATF.
 
Brm1919.jpg


Quick pic and more information here -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1919_Browning_machine_gun
 
jlee said:
Gahhhh, why why why...restore it and leave it alone! 🙁 Damn federal laws...
Click to expand...

I would have thought the military would have been able to transport something like this using their channels without having to do something permanent to it
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top