"Brooklyn Marine sergeant & wife tortured, slain in Calif."

[Arkaign]

A very interesting comment on the NBC link :

"I am a black man, and I hate the historical implications where black men have been wrongly accused of rape and often died horrible deaths such as lynchings, states sponsored executions, and life imprisonment. However, I think there is a racial component to this - and seriously, when scum like this act, they validate the irrational fear of black men. I'm also wondering what is the history. Did these guys serve together? Did something happen in Iraq that motivated this? Because while I think race was a factor - I don't know too many black dudes that are so ired at seeing a BW/WM couple they'd go beyond muttering disapproval. 4 black guys sexually assaulting a black woman who happens to be married to a white guy - and then killing them both? I'm not sure how race isn't a factor - but I'm also not sure there isn't some other motivation that would drive this kind of group behavior. One guy I could imagine, but for 4 people to plot something like this signals a backstory of some sort. Eitherway, I hope they get what they dealt when they go to prison."

I pretty much agree with this guy.

These 4 murderers are scum, and should be dealt with harshly, but it does seem that the extraordinary brutality and senseless extension (killing the wife? wtf) here point to something deeper than racism. I cannot and will not speculate on any action by the Marine Sergeant might have done to ignite such drastic and horrible actions, maybe it was nothing at all, but the possibility does remain.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ultra laser
Black men kill White man for marrying Black woman. Very simple and understandable.

I really think it's premature to make that inference. My guess is that if the attackers and wife were white and the husband black, people here would be criticizing posters for assuming this was some kind of hate crime. Let's see what the evidence is - it may be that this has no racial component at all.

 

[jpeyton]

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Pietrzak's mother said she can't understand how Marines could have committed such a crime.

"Don't the Marines screen out people like this?" she said. "Didn't they know they had murderers under their roof?"

Good question.

 

[piasabird]

Hee is what you are not being told. The groom was white and the bide was black and the four people committing the crime were black marines. You figure it out. This was a hate crime.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Hee is what you are not being told. The groom was white and the bide was black and the four people committing the crime were black marines. You figure it out. This was a hate crime.

Sounds more like some Gangsters/Thugs who didn't belong in the Marines to begin with doing what Gangsters do. Of course it was a Hate Crime, you'd have to hate somebody to do what they did to that couple.

 

[BigDH01]

In case anyone wanted to see his Myspace page.

At least, I think that's it. The profile says John is 20 but the news has him at 18.

There doesn't appear to be any mention of gangs on the page, but clearly this is the profile of someone with anger and violence issues.

 

[CPA]

Investigators said the motive for murder was "financial gain." Neither mother believes that.

That's pure BS. This was nothing but a Hate Crime.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
How do you screen killers out of system that is looking to hire killers?

I'm sure there are psychological metrics that can distinguish the two. On an anecdotal level, the average veteran is nothing like the average gangbanger or excon.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: ultra laser
Black men kill White man for marrying Black woman. Very simple and understandable.

Originally posted by: piasabird
Hee is what you are not being told. The groom was white and the bide was black and the four people committing the crime were black marines. You figure it out. This was a hate crime.

Originally posted by: CPA

Investigators said the motive for murder was "financial gain." Neither mother believes that.

That's pure BS. This was nothing but a Hate Crime.

Do y'all moonlight as forensic psychologists these days?

 

[SSSnail]

Wow, just wow. And here you thought we have evolved.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: ultra laser
Black men kill White man for marrying Black woman. Very simple and understandable.

Originally posted by: piasabird
Hee is what you are not being told. The groom was white and the bide was black and the four people committing the crime were black marines. You figure it out. This was a hate crime.

Originally posted by: CPA

Investigators said the motive for murder was "financial gain." Neither mother believes that.

That's pure BS. This was nothing but a Hate Crime.

Do y'all moonlight as forensic psychologists these days?

What do you suppose the motive was?

I was a Marine, and let me tell you racial tension is more prominent in the Corps than anywhere else you can see in any sectors of society.

 

[Pepsei]

those four, if guilty, needs to be brutally raped with a broom handle and then snap the handle in the process, then have their flesh cut off piece by piece, with a shot to the head in the end.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
those four, if guilty, needs to be brutally raped with a broom handle and then snap the handle in the process, then have their flesh cut off piece by piece, with a shot to the head in the end.

:laugh:

I think we need to get you in touch with a recruiter.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Pepsei
those four, if guilty, needs to be brutally raped with a broom handle and then snap the handle in the process, then have their flesh cut off piece by piece, with a shot to the head in the end.

:laugh:

I think we need to get you in touch with a recruiter.

i was thinking about a 'glass rod' but that might be over the line....

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
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Pietrzak's mother said she can't understand how Marines could have committed such a crime.

"Don't the Marines screen out people like this?" she said. "Didn't they know they had murderers under their roof?"

Good question.

Not a good question at all.

Contrary to the bullshit people say about the military 'lowering their standards', they haven't at all. They just got more creative about how they look at those with any criminal history. Instead of simply barring all with criminal history, they now look at everything about the history and make sound judgments based on the details. Did they simply make a stupid mistake and got caught, or did they rape someone or worse?

And if someone simply stole a few things from a store, without violence/threats, can you effectively predict they will be a violent individual? Is it worthy enough to ban what may otherwise be an effective soldier/Marine from entering the service simply because he stole a few things from a store? Can't say he is violent, and sure, cannot say that behavior isn't a potential precursor to more violent criminal behavior.

However, you also cannot predict anyone will be violent, period.

And in regards to gang members. If they don't have an actual record of criminal violence, it's tough to prove they were/are a gang member. Especially if they do not have any gang-related tattoos. If they do have such tattoos, then they'll be barred from entering into service after the initial physical/screening.

And yes, the Marine Corp does have a history of having some of the worst types of men compared to the other services. I do not know why specifically the Marines, because it's just as possible for those individuals to go into the Army for combat duties.
And there definitely tends to be racial tension, because some of the lowest-class white men will join the military, and when you couple that with black men that, to the white men, prove their stereotypes/racist views, that leads to some trouble.
But there are also some extremely amazing men in the Marines, so I mean no disrespect to Marines by the above.

 

[manowar821]

No no, not OUR marines! It's impossible!

Marines are just men with more advanced training in killing.

It's idiocy to think that marines are some how MORE mentally sound than the general population. I've met quite a number of marines, and they actually came off as NUTS more often than not. About the same as any other person off the street... But don't mind me, I'm not in the military, so I just don't understand. Right?

Oh, and it quite possibly could be racially motivated... Maybe they're upset with his voting record, or perhaps the sergeant did something nasty to them, first. Either way, it's pretty god damn disturbing.

 

[ultra laser]

IMO, anyone who chooses to be a killer by profession is nuts to a certain extent.

Also, anyone who thinks killing Iraqis protects the freedom of American citizens is criminally gullible.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: SlickSnakeThe article says robbery or "financial gain" was a motive, then goes to great pains to tell how they were struggling and working hard for everything they had. Obviously ROBBERY was NOT a motive. And if all they wanted to do was rob the house, they could have done that when nobody was home.

I didn't buy that alleged motive either.

It states they were tortured and killed execution style. So, if it was not a racial statement, then the only other possibility is these guys were discovered doing something illegal at the base like stealing weapons, and this was an attempt at silencing the soldier and sending a message. Which would certainly make an organized gang type of hit a possibility, as well.

Good insight. I had figured that they probably just hated their commander's guts, but that's an equally plausible explanation. Kind of like the soldiers who were cooking smack in the movie Buffalo Soldiers.

One reason why the military might want to characterize the motive as "financial gain" is to keep potential recruits from thinking that their commanding officer might drive them to be so miserable that they'd want to kill him.

 

[palehorse]

All four of them should be executed stat.

sickening...