Broke a guys nose, am I going to jail?

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bob4432

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man, op sorry this happend to your gf. is she coping ok with what happend to her?

to be honest i think there is nothing wrong with what you did, imho sometimes street justice is better than court justice for a given situation. i am normally an extremely kicked back person, but if somebody f*cks with my wife, that's another story

i also think you were lucky he didn't press charges because i think you would have gotten the short end of the stick and here is why - imho
- you never claimed you gf asked the friend to leave which would mean she didn't feel afraid of him (i know it is b.s., but that is how a lawyer could easily spin it)
- your friend could have easily said they were just "playing around" since it sounds like she didn't have any bruises on her
- you did not act out of fear, but rather anger and you had time to think about what you were going to do, thus pre-meditated. you can usually use equal to a bit more force than the what is being brought on you (or in some state up to death to prevent a rape), but at the point you got there there was no threat to you and it sounds like your gf at that point.
- your friend (or should i say ex friend) is the only person with any marks on them (assuming since i didn't read that your gf had any)

just some things to think about - this stuff happens all the time and honestly the courts don't, imho, care about it because it is small time. had you not hit the guy your gf could have probably pressed assault/attempted rape charges on the guy to at least get him in the system. hopefully what you did will have the same effect on him, which it my do.

most importantly i just hope your gf is ok, both emotionally and physically and if she does have any after issues to seek out medical/mental health advisors.

just out of curiosity, how close of friends were you with this guy? how close of friends was your gf with this guy? if a person will do this to a friend, assuming your gf is 100% honest as to what happend (not that i am calling your gf a liar, but again if he just jumped on her out of the blue that is pretty bad, it seems like it may only be a short time before he fully rapes somebody he doesn't know), i would see this person as a threat to other females he doesn't know...
 
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Originally posted by: 49erinnc
Sucks what happened to your girlfriend but yes, if he opts to press charges, you better have a good lawyer. In the eyes of the law, you committed a crime and potentially a severe one.

Edit: your best bet is to try and smooth things over with him, even if you feel he deserved the punch. Maybe he'll feel like his actions warranted the punch and won't press charges.

I don't know. You protected her from further sexual assault. From your POV, you got a phone call asking for help. For all you know he could have raped her had you not stopped him. And I'm not just saying this, that's what I'd really say in court. Someone pulls something like that you never know what they're going to do next. Better to be safe than sorry (girl got raped).
 

NuroMancer

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: manowar821
Some conflicts need to be settled like this, it shows the other guy that you're not going to put up with his sh1t. What, do you think saying "please don't do that again" is going to help, or put this jerk in his place? No, absolutely not.

So how about slamming the jackass up against the wall, speaking very slowly and clearly when you say that if he ever comes within a hundred feet of her, you'll <insert threat of brutal violence of your choice here> him, and telling him to GTFO your house?

- M4H

Sounds like a good plan to me.
 

NuroMancer

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Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: manowar821
Some conflicts need to be settled like this, it shows the other guy that you're not going to put up with his sh1t. What, do you think saying "please don't do that again" is going to help, or put this jerk in his place? No, absolutely not.

So how about slamming the jackass up against the wall, speaking very slowly and clearly when you say that if he ever comes within a hundred feet of her, you'll <insert threat of brutal violence of your choice here> him, and telling him to GTFO your house?

- M4H

Making Terroristic threats?
Not saying I don't agree with you... but he could very easily report this...

Sure he can report it, but with no witnesses, its your word against his, nothing will come of it.

As well, he knows exactly whats in for him if he tries it again :D.
 

slatr

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I dind't! That other idiot did![/quote]
Sorry. My mistake.

*punches you in the nose*
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I'm calling Judge Judy.. or Springer!
:laugh:
 

razor2025

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LOL @ bunch of internet tough guys here. I was hoping OP would get charges pressed against him, just to show morons around not dick around with physical assaults. You should feel lucky that you didn't have to deal with charges. If I was ass-hat enough, I would've pressed charges just to get back to you for breaking my nose, regardless of the circumstances. I hope you learned your lesson with this and not throw fists around at the drop of hat. All it takes is a one well-placed punch and a guy who's willing to press charges. Even if you don't get convicted, you're going to have to sink down thousands of dollars just to get lawyer-up to fight the case, while the guy with broken-nose sit back and watch.
 
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Originally posted by: razor2025
while the guy with broken-nose sit back and watch.

From his cell maybe. There was this rape case, I think you might have heard of it - it involves some lacrosse players, but I forget the school ... :roll: where the men were totally innocent, but all the girl had to do was cry wolf, and presto, they're ruined.

*DISCLAIMER - I don't agree with any of that s***, that just happens to be how this knee-jerk world works.*

- M4H
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: razor2025
LOL @ bunch of internet tough guys here. I was hoping OP would get charges pressed against him, just to show morons around not dick around with physical assaults. You should feel lucky that you didn't have to deal with charges. If I was ass-hat enough, I would've pressed charges just to get back to you for breaking my nose, regardless of the circumstances. I hope you learned your lesson with this and not throw fists around at the drop of hat. All it takes is a one well-placed punch and a guy who's willing to press charges. Even if you don't get convicted, you're going to have to sink down thousands of dollars just to get lawyer-up to fight the case, while the guy with broken-nose sit back and watch.

have fun not being convicted of sexual assualt charges.

 

eleison

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OP in my opinion is trailer trash... who resolves conflicts with fights.. what happened if the other guy had a gun..

Blackmailing... lying to police officers... having "friends" who will hit on your girlfriend..etc... urgh... all we are missing is the midgets... Jerry Springer time!!!
 

patentman

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You could be charged with Battery, but your girlfriend could charge him with forced sexual battery. All in all, you could probably settle the matter and agree not to charge each other.
 

patentman

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Originally posted by: halik
aggravated assault is a felony.

Aggravated assault is unlikely here, as a broken nose is hardly "serious bodily injury" and the attack was not carried out with a deadly weapon.

Nor would generic assault be appropriate, as this crime involves only the threat to attack someone else

Rather, the most likely charge would be battery.

aggravated assault
n. the crime of physically attacking another person which results in serious bodily harm and/or is made with a deadly or dangerous weapon such as a gun, knife, sword, ax or blunt instrument. Aggravated assault is usually a felony punishable by a term in state prison.

assault
1) v. the threat or attempt to strike another, whether successful or not, provided the target is aware of the danger. The assaulter must be reasonably capable of carrying through the attack. In some states if the assault is with a deadly weapon (such as sniping with a rifle), the intended victim does not need to know of the peril. Other state laws distinguish between different degrees (first or second) of assault depending on whether there is actual hitting, injury or just a threat. "Aggravated assault" is an attack connected with the commission of another crime, such as beating a clerk during a robbery or a particularly vicious attack. 2) n. the act of committing an assault, as in "there was an assault down on Third Avenue." Assault is both a criminal wrong, for which one may be charged and tried, and civil wrong for which the target may sue for damages due to the assault, including for mental distress.

battery
n. the actual intentional striking of someone, with intent to harm, or in a "rude and insolent manner" even if the injury is slight. Negligent or careless unintentional contact is not battery no matter how great the harm. Battery is a crime and also the basis for a lawsuit as a civil wrong if there is damage. It is often coupled with "assault" (which does not require actual touching) in "assault and battery."
 

patentman

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Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
He was trying to rape your girlfriend, what were you supposed to do? :shocked:

In Texas you could shoot him!

I'm in Texas. But I can't kill a person out of rage.

Wrong, in Texas you can shoot someone if "they needed some killin" according to my criminal law professor. Of course, my criminal law professor is a libertarian....
 

patentman

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Originally posted by: Duddy
Would it count as self defense if I'm defending someone else?

Only if there is an imminent threat of impending bodily harm to the other person. Here, your GF walked into another room and locked the door. No iminent threat = no self defense.
 

FDF12389

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Originally posted by: Amused
I haven't read the thread, but I have some advice for you:

Lie.

If charges are filed, you and your GF maintain you caught him while attacking her and used reasonable force to defend her. Get your stories straight and make them airtight. They must not conflict.

I hate to say it, but what you did was legally wrong, but morally right. What he did was both legally wrong and morally wrong. You have every justification to lie to protect yourself in this case.

Realistically, though? I doubt he will press charges. He will probably just let it go considering what he did.

Damnn thats what I was gonna tell him to do.
 

Agentbolt

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The best part of this thread is the responses the two camps are coming up with.

"OP messed up" posts:

Explaining why they both committed a crime, how violence was a retarded solution in this case, pointing out the girl was not in any danger, pointing out how the original post has been edited to make things seem worse than they were, pointing out that blackmailing the guy was stupid, pointing out that Internet Tough Guys are both a dime a dozen and pathetic.

"OP was right" posts:

Some variation of "Anyone who disagrees with me is gay" or "Anyone who disagrees with me a pussy" Very compelling stuff, tough guys. You're embarrassing yourselves.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: patentman
Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
He was trying to rape your girlfriend, what were you supposed to do? :shocked:

In Texas you could shoot him!

I'm in Texas. But I can't kill a person out of rage.

Wrong, in Texas you can shoot someone if "they needed some killin" according to my criminal law professor. Of course, my criminal law professor is a libertarian....

I think he meant that he couldn't kill a person out of rage, not legally but personally.

"If they need some killin" - that's gold. :D
 

LLCOOLJ

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Originally posted by: Agentbolt
The best part of this thread is the responses the two camps are coming up with.

"OP messed up" posts:

Explaining why they both committed a crime, how violence was a retarded solution in this case, pointing out the girl was not in any danger, pointing out how the original post has been edited to make things seem worse than they were, pointing out that blackmailing the guy was stupid, pointing out that Internet Tough Guys are both a dime a dozen and pathetic.

"OP was right" posts:

Some variation of "Anyone who disagrees with me is gay" or "Anyone who disagrees with me a pussy" Very compelling stuff, tough guys. You're embarrassing yourselves.
No the best part is reading your posts where you come off as some sanctimonious little snot.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: deerslayer
I would have punched him too. I guess that makes me an internet tough guy :roll:
Well lets see, you get a call from your GF saying she was assaulted by the guy and locked herself in her room because she was afraid. Yep it seems like a reasonable response given the circumstances.

 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: Agentbolt
The best part of this thread is the responses the two camps are coming up with.

"OP messed up" posts:

Explaining why they both committed a crime, how violence was a retarded solution in this case, pointing out the girl was not in any danger, pointing out how the original post has been edited to make things seem worse than they were, pointing out that blackmailing the guy was stupid, pointing out that Internet Tough Guys are both a dime a dozen and pathetic.

"OP was right" posts:

Some variation of "Anyone who disagrees with me is gay" or "Anyone who disagrees with me a pussy" Very compelling stuff, tough guys. You're embarrassing yourselves.

The e-morality police are infull force today. How do you know that she wasn't in danger? She was alone with some guy that just tried to force himself on her. Maybe getting the "timeout" some would wish for this borderline sexual predator causes him to get angry and return. He was shown immediate negative reinformcement to his sexual assualt and that further attempts at his sexual advancements will results in more punishment.