Sure it is. There's no evidence either way, which means making either argument is opinion. I certainly don't support a reasoned argument that they are assimilating any slower. Would be anecdotal at best.Oh fuck no. That's not how this works.
Sure it is. There's no evidence either way, which means making either argument is opinion. I certainly don't support a reasoned argument that they are assimilating any slower. Would be anecdotal at best.Oh fuck no. That's not how this works.
Zero evidence? Call any corporate 1-800 number and tell me where I can press 3 for Mandarin, German, or French
There is OBVIOUS catering to the hispanic community. There are plenty of roads I drive down where the billboards start to all be in spanish. I'm not exactly old to remember mass migration from Europe, but not once have I seen those types of things for other languages. I've never seen a German go into a Walmart and demand an associate that speaks German. I've never seen a cell-phone company send me an advertisement with English on one side and French on the other. But again, that might just be my bias to my area - has anyone else seen it to that scale of another language in the US?
Look at the historical photo archives of any city's ethic archives. Christ just wander down to the nearest Chinatown.
Sure it is. There's no evidence either way, which means making either argument is opinion. I certainly don't support a reasoned argument that they are assimilating any slower. Would be anecdotal at best.
The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. If somebody wants to dig up some empirical evidcene that hispanics are assimilating more slowly than their historical European counterparts I'll look at it. I already said I'm aware of no such evidence and in it's absence I'm not willing to concede that the original assertion is probable.
I've been to plenty of Chinatowns... They have typical restaurants and stores that you would expect. Plenty will speak their native tongue since they are (after all) in Chinatown
However, I've never seen a Chinese person go to a Walmart and demand that someone speak Mandarin with them.... I have definitely seen hispanics do that.
While I do agree with your premise, things are a little different now. There was much less of an option not to assimilate m in a country that did not have the safety net and technology that currently exists.
Also a little tough to talk evidence.. Do you have any evidence that Hispanics are not behind the curve of our European ancestors? Shrug.
Here, let me google that for you:
https://www.usnews.com/news/national/articles/2008/05/15/mexican-immigrants-prove-slow-to-fit-in
Here, let me google that for you:
https://www.usnews.com/news/national/articles/2008/05/15/mexican-immigrants-prove-slow-to-fit-in
If somebody wants to dig up some empirical evidcene that hispanics are assimilating more slowly than their historical European counterparts
That does not address the assimilation rate of past immigrant groups in the slightest. It does, however, point out that assimilation is more difficult for people who lack legal immigrant status. It seems to me that we could fix that if we want them to integrate faster.
Indeed, the story on language should also calm fears about a lack of assimilation. While Spanish has grown dramatically as a second language in the United States, there is no evidence that Mexican immigrants and their families are failing to learn English. With English advancing as the global language of business, transportation, science, pop culture and cyberspace, much to the consternation of the French, I might add, it seems implausible that a subgroup within the United States could insulate itself for long from the language of the realm. In fact, America has historically been considered a “language graveyard” because of an almost irresistible incentive for immigrants, and especially their children, to learn English. Hispanic immigrants are no exception.
Recent studies confirm that the children of Spanish-speaking immigrants are learning English. Among children of Hispanic immigrants to the United States, one recent study found that 92 percent speak English well or very well, even though 85 percent speak at least some Spanish at home. Among third-generation Hispanic immigrants (and their descendants), the predominant pattern is “English-only,” with no Spanish spoken at home.14 And that trend has actually been accelerating. As the authors of a recent study concluded, “The very high immigration level of the 1990s does not appear to have weakened the forces of linguistic assimilation. Mexicans, by far the largest immigrants group, provide a compelling example. In 1990, 64 percent of third-generation Mexican-American children spoke only English at home; in 2000, the equivalent figure had risen to 71 percent.”15
Additionally there is no evidence I know of that their language assimilation (which some people appear real concerned about) is actually slow by any standard. Even CATO says that's not the case:
https://www.cato.org/publications/speeches/mexican-migration-legalization-assimilation
Confirms what?Bullshit. The last bit about proving a negative confirms it.
That's a really invalid logical argument though, right? Massively different time and place, not to mention what data will you have from that time? I'm sure there are content expert historians, and I think it would be interesting to hear their opinions, my simple point in this thread is that it's a fairly silly argument on both sides without any actual data.. So why argue it?Do people read anymore?
Confirms what?
That's a really invalid logical argument though, right? Massively different time and place, not to mention what data will you have from that time? I'm sure there are content expert historians, and I think it would be interesting to hear their opinions, my simple point in this thread is that it's a fairly silly argument on both sides without any actual data.. So why argue it?
Why do they not? Do you have a lot of experience with non English speakers and social services? Something tells me no...Confirms that it's bullshit. Social services don't make it easier to not learn the language. You merely suppose that to be true.
Oh I think it's fine to compare with regard to massive influxes of people in generalities, but we simply don't have any real data to inform the specific argument of "xxx assimilated quicker than yyy."Why? The only historical precedents, in terms of scale, for the hispanic immigration we have seen are the flows from Europe.
Assimilation is an intergenerational process and there is zero evidence I'm aware of that hispanics are somehow behind the curve of my long dead European ancestors. Most of America is far too removed from their family histories to comprehend that.
Instead I think something of a nativist bias gets exposed with comments like his that actually cuts across political and partisan lines. This should be examined with a bit more critical eye.
Why do they not? Do you have a lot of experience with non English speakers and social services? Something tells me no...
A 9 year old article from VOA News is your source? You certainly may be right, but that article doesn't prove it. I was simply saying I could understand how it may inhibit.It's your assertion that social services inhibit integration. You have not provided a shred of evidence to back it up.
If anything, the opposite is true-
https://www.voanews.com/a/us-govern...-classes-for-immigrants-103737714/162985.html
State & local govts offer a variety of programs as well. Such things apparently didn't exist 100 years ago.
I've been to plenty of Chinatowns... They have typical restaurants and stores that you would expect. Plenty will speak their native tongue since they are (after all) in Chinatown
However, I've never seen a Chinese person go to a Walmart and demand that someone speak Mandarin with them.... I have definitely seen hispanics do that.
So this is something you regularly encounter? In real life? Where the eff do you live?
Texas - and yes, I've seen it plenty of times.
Texas - and yes, I've seen it plenty of times.
