Brits scared of 3 inch toy rifle

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irishScott

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I'd rather live with all the freedom I'll ever need and little to no danger, where I can rely on the police or the health service when I need to. Trust me if you realised how awesome it was you guys might think different, fending for your self is fine in small numbers but when you've got all of America back into a different corner with a gun problems happen.

And there we go back to "need". And who determines how much freedom you "need" and why you need it? Mother government? You do like being told your place don't you...

And if all of America is backed into a corner? What's that supposed to mean? National Apocalypse? If for some reason the government breaks down and government services stop functioning I'm going to want my guns all the more thank you. Imagine motorcycle gangs of 20 guys with knives and clubs roaming around. A gun would most certainly come in handy.

It's notable that, during Katrina, the armed communities with "looters will be shot" signs on their porches stayed pretty safe while the city-bound refugees at the camps were ruled by criminals and gangs. In New Orleans a group of 20 armed police officers trying to restore order was held off by gangs.

Not that I'm holding onto my guns for that reason, but if you think the potential meltdown of government is an argument for gun control... wow that's stupid.
 

irishScott

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Why?

Why would I want freedoms I don't need? If there are freedoms out there that will never enter my existence or those in my societies existence what's the problem?

That's fine, but what if those freedoms apply to others? Are you going to force them to give them up just because you don't need them?
 
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I am pretty sure that this issue is because of the British Queen Whore. The British are sheep, following some old lady who they believe is chosen by "God" and they worship her bloodline as if they are all deities.

When we think about the British, we need to remember that they are entirely illogical.
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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Why?

Why would I want freedoms I don't need? If there are freedoms out there that will never enter my existence or those in my societies existence what's the problem?
Uh...wow. This is why America was created. Somebody else might want those freedoms, even if you don't.
 

DivideBYZero

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Pretty odd that those claiming Neckbeard is Anti-American are also those who started up the Brit-bashing shit he responded to.

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DivideBYZero

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And therein lies the difference. Here the President has no direct authority over me. He cannot come to my house and say "do x y and z" with my being obligated to obey. He has power over things that affect my life, and therefore could in probably politically strong-arm me into temporary obedience, but I am not his "subject".

My god, you're ignorant. :\
 

DivideBYZero

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Care to elaborate?
You seem to think the Queen can turn up at my house and ask me to do something for her. You're labouring semantics of a use of language which is mostly there for heritage and traditional reasons, but has no constitutional reality.

You'll argue a completely different point in your response to this post, however and somehow wind in a British put-down into it.
 

irishScott

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You seem to think the Queen can turn up at my house and ask me to do something for her. You're labouring semantics of a use of language which is mostly there for heritage and traditional reasons, but has no constitutional reality.

You'll argue a completely different point in your response to this post, however and somehow wind in a British put-down into it.

Actually I won't. I'm in this debate to learn as much as anyone, and I admittedly don't know much about British culture or customs. I was coming down on Neckbard because pf a hypocritical pattern I noticed among his posts, (that he has yet to respond to BTW) and the fact that when I hear "Royalty" and "Commoner" as an American I see a more broad meaning than dry political rank.

I was under the impression that that the Queen could, at least on paper, turn up at your house and ask you to do something and you would be compelled to obey. Now granted I never thought that would actually happen any more than the Queen going crazy and attempting to dissolve Parliament, but I thought at least the old laws were still on the books. Good to know they're not.
 

tommo123

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previously quoted - If Nepal can get rid of the monarchy, why can't the UK?
Because we don't want to, we can but we don't want to

I'm neither brainwashed nor a peasant, you are brainwashed if you don't think the president has the power our queen does.

what power does the queen have? i mean in reality? who the hell cares? personally (as a brit) the french had the right idea. off with their heads. they're tourist traps only at this point and serve no purpose beyond something to point at and laugh "look at the inbreds".

seriously. there's like a thousand of them and only about 6 faces. And probably that many fingers per person as well.

don't speak for everyone in the UK when you say "we". you speak for yourself mate. the only reason i ever pay attention to anything about any of them, is to see if one died so we can get a day off work.

i'd rather have a president
 

HAL9000

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previously quoted - If Nepal can get rid of the monarchy, why can't the UK?


what power does the queen have? i mean in reality? who the hell cares? personally (as a brit) the french had the right idea. off with their heads. they're tourist traps only at this point and serve no purpose beyond something to point at and laugh "look at the inbreds".

seriously. there's like a thousand of them and only about 6 faces. And probably that many fingers per person as well.

don't speak for everyone in the UK when you say "we". you speak for yourself mate. the only reason i ever pay attention to anything about any of them, is to see if one died so we can get a day off work.

i'd rather have a president

:thumbsup:

When I say we, I speak for the fact that if the UK wanted to get rid of the Queen and the royalty we would have.
 

DivideBYZero

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Actually I won't. I'm in this debate to learn as much as anyone, and I admittedly don't know much about British culture or customs. I was coming down on Neckbard because pf a hypocritical pattern I noticed among his posts, (that he has yet to respond to BTW) and the fact that when I hear "Royalty" and "Commoner" as an American I see a more broad meaning than dry political rank.

I was under the impression that that the Queen could, at least on paper, turn up at your house and ask you to do something and you would be compelled to obey. Now granted I never thought that would actually happen any more than the Queen going crazy and attempting to dissolve Parliament, but I thought at least the old laws were still on the books. Good to know they're not.

OK, that's refreshing. The Brit-bashing in P&N has been getting out of hand in recent times, and as NB said, anything copy-pasta'd from The Daily Biggot is entirely sensational shit and often not worth the murder of the tree that made the paper.

Again, even in the case of dissolving Parliament, that is ceremonial. If she was unavailable or refused the act of dissolution would still go ahead through act of Parliament over ruling her.

I wouldn't call your debt-to-GDP percentage synonymous with having "enough" money.

What has this got to do with toy guns?
 

zsdersw

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What has this got to do with toy guns?

Nothing.. which is why I quoted the matter it was a reply to.

DivideBYZero said:
Again, even in the case of dissolving Parliament, that is ceremonial. If she was unavailable or refused the act of dissolution would still go ahead through act of Parliament over ruling her.

What has this got to do with toy guns?

:rolleyes:
 

tommo123

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:thumbsup:

When I say we, I speak for the fact that if the UK wanted to get rid of the Queen and the royalty we would have.

most (i think) do, but the ones with power want them to stay to keep the old ways for as long as they can. if we change, then all things would be looked at. no more house of lords for example.

we, the people have no power without uniting and using force. and we will not. we showed TPTB that when we gave up during the fuel strikes in 97 (?). the french don't cave in. we do. the yanks should be calling us chips eating surrender monkeys, they at least will stand up for themselves.
 

HAL9000

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most (i think) do, but the ones with power want them to stay to keep the old ways for as long as they can. if we change, then all things would be looked at. no more house of lords for example.

we, the people have no power without uniting and using force. and we will not. we showed TPTB that when we gave up during the fuel strikes in 97 (?). the french don't cave in. we do. the yanks should be calling us chips eating surrender monkeys, they at least will stand up for themselves.

I disagree, it's my experience that we either like the royal family or we just don't care...
 

tommo123

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I disagree, it's my experience that we either like the royal family or we just don't care...

you a southener? generally, if an outsider says it, people get defensive about it IMO, otherwise want em gone.
 

HAL9000

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you a southener? generally, if an outsider says it, people get defensive about it IMO, otherwise want em gone.

I am a southerner as it happens! Really that's not been my experience at all? There was a whole debate about it at my uni and the vast majority were pro.
 

BoberFett

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I think the real issue is that Brits are intimidated by objects 3" or longer. The men get jealous and the women aren't sure what to do with it.