You were speaking of abortion bombings and that was done by one person if i recall correctly and he was roundly condemned by the christian community, Other such shenigans at abortion clinics is frowned upon as well by the christian community. Sadly, the same is not true in the muslim community.
You were speaking of abortion bombings and that was done by one person if i recall correctly and he was roundly condemned by the christian community, Other such shenigans at abortion clinics is frowned upon as well by the christian community. Sadly, the same is not true in the muslim community.
You did not prove anything. You proved that if you wanted to find stupid people, you would profile voting booths for republicans. I mean, if you are trying to find stupid people and you think they are republican, you dont check for them at DNC headquarters.
Edit for your edit.
No your comment was stupid and an ad hom and has the same obvious answer.
You're right that a "big part of winning the conflict with radical Islam is winning the support of moderate Muslims". And now that you put it that way, the rest of above paragraph is painfully obvious.
You know full well that I can't tell you that "cultivating those kind of friendships isn't an important consideration", because its perhaps THE MOST important consideration! I already admitted that its WRONG for a group of passengers to declare "We will not fly with you because you are Muslim and/or Arab", and you are correct that I would personally be humiliated and furious if they did the same to me based on my religion or race. So whats the answer then? Is there a middle-ground between giving all Muslims a free boarding pass so as not to piss them off, and also focusing our efforts on the factual, very narrow parameters defining those who can and will slaughter me and my entire family just for boarding a plane to Disney World?!
If so, I'm all for it!
So the question is, if you were humiliated by this, would you go back to your church and say lets go blow some stuff because we dont deserve this treatment, or would you say why is this happening to us and how can better our reputation.
We cant fix the perception the muslim community has built for itself. That is something they are going to have to do, if they dont want to be hassled by fellow passengers.
Thanks, I was there for the conversation. And I told you that you were wrong, there have been MANY attacks against abortion clinics, including many firebombings. These have been done by MANY different people and there ARE religious organizaitons which advocate these actions and help to plan them. If you'd like to see more;
Abortion clinic violence.
I also pointed out that MANY muslims oppose the actions of extremists in exactly the same way that christians oppose the actions of the abortion attackers, which is ABSOLUTELY true. You just have chosen to only see those who have supported terrorist actions, which do not represent a majority of the faith.
I have also repeatedly pointed out that I am not stating that the levels of violence (ie numbers harmed) are not the same (yet), but the foundation and types of actions are equivalent.
And these activities on abortion clinic are in great decline as they are roundly condemned by most christians. Your link even supports that.
Yes there are many muslims that opposed what is being done in the name of their releigion, but they have done little to reign in the problem.
I think the real problem in defining a good middle ground is determining the relative value of "not pissing off Muslims" and "defining narrow parameters of who will slaughter me and my family". Focusing on identifying people who fit the terrorist profile at the airport and other places might not be as helpful as you might think, while getting the support of the average Muslim may be worth a lot more. Or maybe it will work out the other way around...the point is that a middle ground really needs to be weighted towards the more valuable goal.
So what is the middle ground between a cavity search and a free pass for muslims at the airport? I know the subject of profiling male muslims between the ages of 18 and 35 is often seen as too extreme because of PC nonsense.
So what is the middle ground.
They are not getting the job done on their own. Instead we spend time making granny take off her shoes at the airport. And we talk about profiling muslims you get called racist. PC run amuck.
Of course not. Thats one of the main things people in the West choose to ignore for whatever reason. When Pat Robertson says the president of Venezuela should be assassinated, a very few Christians might agree, but none of them actually get on a plane and go kill him! And when the Pope plays his greatest hits, "Homosexuality is evil, no masturbation or birth control", etc., even Catholics laugh at him! There IS a difference between our extremists and theirs; ours are marginialized and mocked even by the religious, while theirs will actually kill you and everybody standing next to you over a fvcking cartoon!
Did you read a single word I posted? It's not a question of being "PC" or not...it's a question of gaining the support and trust of the moderate Muslim community.
But to answer your question, I think the best "middle ground" is to engage in behavioral profiling. Unlike religious or racial profiling, it won't humiliate or ostracize the Muslim community...and also unlike religious and racial profiling, it will help stop attacks from people who DON'T look like Osama bin Laden (and I the ONLY person who remembers Richard Reid?).
So you dont think middle eastern men between the ages of 18-35 deserve a little extra attention at the airport. Make sure you get granny to take her shoes off if she looks nervious at the airport. You are in fact being PC. There is a profile for these people, but you are too PC to admit it.
And yes, not everyone is going to fit the profile. But that is no reason to ignore it.
They're not cowards, and if you knew anything of their history, you wouldn't say that. They have repeatedly proven as brave or braver than us in more dire circumstances, and they're also not isolated and protected by two vast oceans and the most powerful military in the world. Plus, they have a much larger percentage of radical Muslims in their country than we do, and they've lived under a perpetual threat since 9/11. As in WWII, they are on the frontlines while we are in the rear, and they have taken constant fire from the rest of the world for going along with the US' failed policies.
When they "ruled over hundreds of millions of Muslims", they WERE the greatest power in the world, and said Muslims were in many ways much better off under their rule than they are today. They are, and have been for centuries, our most loyal ally, and they have suffered much because of it. So don't judge them too harshly; they are some of the finest people on this planet, and partly because of us, they are in an almost impossible situation. ANY other country would have long since abandoned our alliance in pursuit of their own best interests.
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Let me see...
Some don't want to get on a plane cuz it may have a Muslim on board who may wish to visit Allah.... And many of these 'some' don't mind sending others to Iraq knowing that by being there the sent have a far greater chance of the same event occurring (visiting their God) than the plane riders with the Muslim.
hmmm Additionally, are all Muslims looking alike these days??
Sorta sounds like "OK for you but not me"
Some don't want to get on a plane cuz it may have a Muslim on board who may wish to visit Allah.... And many of these 'some' don't mind sending others to Iraq knowing that by being there the sent have a far greater chance of the same event occurring (visiting their God) than the plane riders with the Muslim.
hmmm Additionally, are all Muslims looking alike these days??
Sorta sounds like "OK for you but not me"
Grow up. Take every single negative comment about Muslims in this thread and compare them to the utter chaos and fear your side causes for everybody else on this planet, and you will come out sorely lacking. The West is willing to accept you, your religion, and culture, even if it hurts, while your side largely refuses to accept entire races of people, and even logic itself, in lieu of genocidal bvllsh*t and medieval fairytales. And if the Taliban, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc. are any indicator, you value even your own people less than we cherish family pets.
Yours stand for racism, sexism, eternal warfare, and backward concepts like religious domination (which the rest of the world mostly rejected centuries ago), while we stand for principles like tolerance, acceptance, freedom of religion and speech, equality of the sexes, and representative government. Multiculturalism aside, our concepts and ideals are simply BETTER than yours for the vast majority of people on this planet.
Come and shake my hand and worship who you will, how you will, wear whatever you want, say and draw and write whatever you want. Can you say the same to me? If not, then we represent the future of the human race based on scientific fact and the ideal that all men are created equal, while you represent a sad anachronism based on mythology and ignorance.
Go read a history book (a real one, not some religious brainwash propaganda written by a fanatic bigot who wants to control your every thought), and then come back with a written comparison of Muslim culture and science in the year 1100 AD and the present day. Be prepared for a big surprise. You guys used to be THE most advanced and intelligent culture in the entire Western world. You invented concepts that we still hold dear, and you built magnificent, vibrant cities that made ours look like piles of sh*t...so I'd love to see your opinion on what happened to change all that (if its other than "the Jews stole our land that we stole from someone else", that is).
Who gave you the right to decide whats best for the human race?
Edit: Also when you say freedom of religion, does that also mean polygamy which is a fundemental Islamic law? Religion is not just worshipping.
I think the entire world is reaching a point of no return in terms of dealing with the Muslim problem that exists today. Let's be serious, the majority of all terrorists attacks are implicated by Muslims.
I have no problem with airports screening every last Muslim. It just makes sense, stop looking at this through your politically correct glasses. This is about saving lives, and if that means screening every last damn Muslim then so be it. Unfortunately this is the world we live in, and it will only change when the religion of Islam and its followers undergo serious change.
I have no problem with airports screening every last Muslim. It just makes sense, stop looking at this through your politically correct glasses. This is about saving lives, and if that means screening every last damn Muslim then so be it. Unfortunately this is the world we live in, and it will only change when the religion of Islam and its followers undergo serious change.
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