Britian moves to ban.....ice cream?

Specop 007

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Nanny governments are really starting to get on my nerves. Its appalling to think what goverments do these days. Britian seems to lead the way in oppression, but we aint far behind I fear. Some day the yoke of oppression may need to be removed......

And thats all I'm gonna say on that, cause I dont want the Black Helicopters circling my house tonight....

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Why ice-cream vans face total meltdown

By Rajeev Syal and David Sanderson

Those familiar jingles could be a thing of the past if a health campaign succeeds

FOR 60 years the tinny jingle of Greensleeves that announced the arrival of the ice-cream van has been an indelible memory of childhood, but that sound may soon be removed from suburban streets. Health lobbyists have decided that ice-creams are too much of a danger to children?s health.

MPs and health officials are planning a series of measures across the country that are already forcing Mr Whippy and his helpers into meltdown.

Under an amendment to the Education and Inspection Bill to be put forward this week, local authorities will be given new powers to stop ice-cream vans from operating near school gates. The move comes as operators claim that they are already being forced out of business by an over-zealous health lobby.

Local authorities have in recent weeks banned ice-cream vans from using pay-and-display parking spaces and set up ?ice-cream-free?exclusion zones around busy shopping streets. Newham council, in east London, informed vendors last month that it would fine van owners up to £80 if they used pay-and-display bays. Greenwich council, in southeast London, has banned the vans from its streets altogether, while in Scotland, West Dunbartonshire council has introduced an exclusion zone around schools for vans.

Mark Gossage, the director of Ice Cream Alliance that represented 20,000 van owners in the 1960s and now has 700 members, said that many of his members can no longer make a living. ?Many schools have already stopped arrangements for vans to sell to pupils,? he said. ?They are wiping us out.?

There are about 5,000 ice-cream vans in Britain. In times gone by they would have parked at the side of most roads; but times have changed. The amendment would grant local authorities the power to ban ice-cream vans from parking near schools.

One dietitian told The Times that a ban on ice-cream vans near schools would be a draconian policy that may drive children to buy even less healthy foods at nearby shops.

Catherine Collins, the chief dietitian at St George?s Hospital, Tooting, south London, said: ?This is the kind of blanket ban that gives the health lobby a bad name. A healthy diet can factor in a sugary treat such as an ice-cream. It is the frequency of that treat that is an issue. Most choices from an ice-cream van would provide fewer calories and fat compared to a free choice from a newsagent.?

Horse-drawn vans selling flavoured ices were first seen on cobbled streets in the 19th century. Motorised vans followed in the 1950s, selling hard, scooped or soft ice-cream.

By the 1980s the business had become so lucrative that gangs fought over the right to sell to certain streets. In 1984 a row between Glasgow-based gangs led to the murder of six members of the Doyle family, who had run the Marchetti ice-cream company. The sector has since declined because of the availability of ice-creams from shops and garages. The few vendors left said last week they would be out of business if the amendment was passed.

John Barrowclough, whose Iced Treats van stops outside schools around Wolverhampton, said he had been forced to sell one of his two vans. because of a clampdown.

?We sell a lot of ice-creams near schools,? he said. ?Of course no one wants to see fat kids, but most children have an ice-cream once a week, not every day.?

Sefer Huseyin, whose family have run Five Star Catering ice-cream vans in Camberwell, southeast London, since the 1960s, said that his vans had been banned from schools. ?Telling vendors they are not allowed near schools is the wrong message,? he said. ?They have been going there for years and their livelihood is being taken away from them.?

However, the amendment is supported by some health campaigners. Chris Waterman, the executive director of the Confederation of Education and Children?s Services Managers, said ice-cream vans should be restricted. ?There are millions going into healthy food in schools, yet kids are rushing to spend their money on food from mobile vans,? he said.

?The ice-cream van industry may be saying it is in meltdown but for the sake of our children?s health and safety we should keep the icons at Bournemouth and Blackpool but stop them driving around schools.?

TREAT OR HEALTH HAZARD?

# A large single ice cream cone contains about 139 calories and 6g of fat. A chocolate Flake adds about 100 calories and another 6g of fat

# Many ice-creams and iced lollies in wrappings contain between 40-100 calories. A Mars Bar contains nearly 300 calories

# A serving of rich vanilla ice cream will typically contain 90ml milk, 90ml double cream or whipping cream, a vanilla pod, an egg yolk and 25g of caster sugar

# Some soft ice cream sold on the streets can contain saturated vegetable fat, sugar, milk powder, artificial flavourings and additives including E407 and E122.

# Toppings are usually a mix of glucose syrup, additives, synthetic flavourings, artificial sweeteners and preservatives

# Depending on whom you believe, ?99s? were first made by Cadbury?s in the 1930s as a tribute to the King of Italy?s bodyguard, traditionally composed of 99 troops; or a tribute by Italian café owners to Il Ragazzi del 99, a band of soldiers who fought in the Battle of the Piave River in the First World War; or named after the address of the Edinburgh-based Arcari ice-cream dynasty at 99 Portobello High Street

# The two most popular ice cream van jingles today are O Solo Mio by Eduardo Di Capua ? popularly known as the Cornetto theme ? and Greensleeves
 

OutHouse

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can ice cream trucks park outside of schools in the US? thinking about it i dont think i have ever seen one. why dont the van drivers drive the neighborhoods like the ones here in the US do. i know the ice cream truck that goes down my street on a sat afternoon is swamped with kids. it takes him an hour to go 2 blocks.
 

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Nanny governments are really starting to get on my nerves. Its appalling to think what goverments do these days. Britian seems to lead the way in oppression, but we aint far behind I fear. Some day the yoke of oppression may need to be removed......

And thats all I'm gonna say on that, cause I dont want the Black Helicopters circling my house tonight....
Yep, the U.S will ban them next under the pretense that it is to save the Children.

 

techs

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Misleading title.
The proposal is just to ban ice cream trucks within a certain distance from schools.
We already ban bars and liquor stores in many areas of the US from being near schools so I don't see the big deal.
What I find interesting is people want to moan and groan about childhood obesity yet when someone proposes something its "the end of the world".
Big deal if a local or national government wants to set limits on where a tasty treat can be sold since you can still buy it in any store.
 

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Good thing the British government has everything else taken care of well enough that they can start worrying about ice cream and where it's sold.
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: techs
Misleading title.
The proposal is just to ban ice cream trucks within a certain distance from schools.
We already ban bars and liquor stores in many areas of the US from being near schools so I don't see the big deal.
What I find interesting is people want to moan and groan about childhood obesity yet when someone proposes something its "the end of the world".
Big deal if a local or national government wants to set limits on where a tasty treat can be sold since you can still buy it in any store.

The problem isnt whats available, its PARENTS.
Parents dont (or "cant") tell their kids no, parents dont (Or "cant") tell their kids go outside and play and quit playing Nintendo.
So rather then take a little bit of responsibility on how their kids are being raised parents just bitch about child obesity and do nothing waiting for the government to do something.
 

ahurtt

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People blame the gov't for all societal problems and then they blame them again when they try to do something about it. They whine because people are too fat but then they don't want anybody telling them what they should eat. No matter what you do, some people are never happy.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
People blame the gov't for all societal problems and then they blame them again when they try to do something about it. They whine because people are too fat but then they don't want anybody telling them what they should eat. No matter what you do, some people are never happy.

Exactly, so mind your own business and I will mind mine. We may discover that, without all the do gooders around, people will take better care of themselves. Everybody destroys themselves to get even. If there were nobody to get even with, being fat or drugged or drunk would loose all appeal.

 

astrosfan90

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
People blame the gov't for all societal problems and then they blame them again when they try to do something about it. They whine because people are too fat but then they don't want anybody telling them what they should eat. No matter what you do, some people are never happy.

You realize you're pigeonholing two very differnet groups of people together as one and then labelling them all dumb for holding two different perpsectives, right?

Doesn't make too much sense.
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: astrosfan90
Originally posted by: ahurtt
People blame the gov't for all societal problems and then they blame them again when they try to do something about it. They whine because people are too fat but then they don't want anybody telling them what they should eat. No matter what you do, some people are never happy.

You realize you're pigeonholing two very differnet groups of people together as one and then labelling them all dumb for holding two different perpsectives, right?

Doesn't make too much sense.

Where did I use the word dumb in my original post? To clarify my post, what I'm saying is, no matter what the government does, it is going to piss off one group of people or another. No solution ever makes everybody happy. Classic case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Though yes, there are some people who will do exactly what it seemed to you that I was saying to begin with. They will complain that somebody else is responsible for their problems yet shoot down every single plausible solution that anybody offers up to solve it. Ultimately those people will go through life wallowing in their own self pity and wretchedness, doing nothing to help themselves and lashing out against anybody who tries to help. Because deep down they would rather go through life in a deluded charade of denial that it is society, not themselves, who are to blame for their problems. They want to look like they care, but really they don't. They pay lip service to the ideals to which they know they should aspire but always expect somebody else to do it. Never themselves. These are the "grumpy old men" of society. They would rather stagnate in the status quo no matter how seemingly sh!tty the situation rather than affect change. And they never like things now compared to the way they used to be. They're grumpy, jaded, grizzled, and cotchety and they LIKE it, dang gummit!
 

astrosfan90

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: astrosfan90
Originally posted by: ahurtt
People blame the gov't for all societal problems and then they blame them again when they try to do something about it. They whine because people are too fat but then they don't want anybody telling them what they should eat. No matter what you do, some people are never happy.

You realize you're pigeonholing two very differnet groups of people together as one and then labelling them all dumb for holding two different perpsectives, right?

Doesn't make too much sense.

Where did I use the word dumb in my original post? To clarify my post, what I'm saying is, no matter what the government does, it is going to piss off one group of people or another. No solution ever makes everybody happy. Classic case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Though yes, there are some people who will do exactly what it seemed to you that I was saying to begin with. They will complain that somebody else is responsible for their problems yet shoot down every single plausible solution that anybody offers up to solve it. Ultimately those people will go through life wallowing in their own self pity and wretchedness, doing nothing to help themselves and lashing out against anybody who tries to help. Because deep down they would rather go through life in a deluded charade of denial that it is society, not themselves, who are to blame for their problems. They want to look like they care, but really they don't. They pay lip service to the ideals to which they know they should aspire but always expect somebody else to do it. Never themselves. These are the "grumpy old men" of society. They would rather stagnate in the status quo no matter how seemingly sh!tty the situation rather than affect change. And they never like things now compared to the way they used to be. They're grumpy, jaded, grizzled, and cotchety and they LIKE it, dang gummit!

Fair enough--I misread you.
 

Moonbeam

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I didn't misread him. He is the deluded do-gooder who is so shocked to be told to mind his own business that he has to run down the qualities of the people who don't want his help because he is arrogant and thinks his life style is superior to theirs. He hates the notion that his notion of good is actually evil. He is basically a moralistic dictator who wants things to happen his way. Listen to him moan about the iniquities of others. Geez!
 

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similar to the sugar soft drinks ban in our schools i suppose?
What coca cola will probably do is just restock the machines with more healthy alternatives. And keep selling.

And I imagine the ice cream companies can adapt as well?
Are these good laws?
Personally I think they are a little far reaching and my initial reaction is meh.
How much pop and ice cream we buy is our buisness but if the hoopla makes people a little more health conscious then it served some purpose.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: ahurtt
People blame the gov't for all societal problems and then they blame them again when they try to do something about it. They whine because people are too fat but then they don't want anybody telling them what they should eat. No matter what you do, some people are never happy.

Exactly, so mind your own business and I will mind mine. We may discover that, without all the do gooders around, people will take better care of themselves. Everybody destroys themselves to get even. If there were nobody to get even with, being fat or drugged or drunk would loose all appeal.

There are no more harmful persons on earth than the do-gooder. Their entire agenda is to force, coerce, demean, and belittle. They are the worst form of utopists, and accordingly the most flawed of individuals. All must be made to suffer for failing to live up to their pre-conceived ideal.
 

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: techs
Misleading title.
The proposal is just to ban ice cream trucks within a certain distance from schools.
We already ban bars and liquor stores in many areas of the US from being near schools so I don't see the big deal.
What I find interesting is people want to moan and groan about childhood obesity yet when someone proposes something its "the end of the world".
Big deal if a local or national government wants to set limits on where a tasty treat can be sold since you can still buy it in any store.

The problem isnt whats available, its PARENTS.
Parents dont (or "cant") tell their kids no, parents dont (Or "cant") tell their kids go outside and play and quit playing Nintendo.
So rather then take a little bit of responsibility on how their kids are being raised parents just bitch about child obesity and do nothing waiting for the government to do something.

right on.

parents are ultimately responsible for teaching their kids how to live, not the state. unfortunately, some parents really suck at it.
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: ahurtt
People blame the gov't for all societal problems and then they blame them again when they try to do something about it. They whine because people are too fat but then they don't want anybody telling them what they should eat. No matter what you do, some people are never happy.

Exactly, so mind your own business and I will mind mine. We may discover that, without all the do gooders around, people will take better care of themselves. Everybody destroys themselves to get even. If there were nobody to get even with, being fat or drugged or drunk would loose all appeal.

My reply was to the OP, not to you. What are you cyber-stalking me? Following me around thread to thread? So take your own advice and you mind your own business. The sole purpose of your unprovoked attack of a reply was to provoke me. I wasn't even talking to you.
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I didn't misread him. He is the deluded do-gooder who is so shocked to be told to mind his own business that he has to run down the qualities of the people who don't want his help because he is arrogant and thinks his life style is superior to theirs. He hates the notion that his notion of good is actually evil. He is basically a moralistic dictator who wants things to happen his way. Listen to him moan about the iniquities of others. Geez!

Again. . .I wasn't even talking to you. Are you like 5? You seem to not be able to fathom not being the center of attention. If somebody is not talking about you or to you, you jump up and down and scream and cry "Hey look at me!! Pay attention to me!!" You don't care what kind of response you get so long as you provoke some kind of response. I suspect you like to start arguments just to hear yourself talk.

Now do you have anything constructive to add to this thread regarding the OP's original topic or are you just going to continue on your personal crusade against me? Stop hijacking the guys thread.
 

piasabird

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What ever happened to the Free Enterprise and Free Market Mantra?

Quick Call the Nanny Police.
 

K1052

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Did anyone remember to tell the British that 1984 wasn't a "how-to" manual?
 

ahurtt

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It's sad when people are so afraid of their own mortality that they want to deprive their children of one of lifes simplest pleasures. Do people think they are going to live forever if they stop eating bad food? It's called moderation. . .Parents control the money so they shouldn't give the kids enough to buy ice cream if they don't want them eating ice cream. Of course kids lie sometimes, so maybe the schools should work something out with the ice cream vendors that they can't sell more than 1 treat per child in a school zone and it would be supervised by a faculty member.

Or maybe they should do nothing.
 

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ahurtt: My reply was to the OP, not to you.

M: My reply was to astrosfan90, not to you.

a: What are you cyber-stalking me?

M: No, but you are obviously stalking me, no? Aren't you questioning my right to respond to somebodies response to your response to somebody else? How come you attack me for that but I didn't attack you for the same thing but somehow I'm the one who is guilty?

a: Following me around thread to thread?

M: I post in lots of threads. If you worry that I might post something about something you post maybe this posting business is not something for you. People with big sore toes often feel stepped on.

a: So take your own advice and you mind your own business. The sole purpose of your unprovoked attack of a reply was to provoke me. I wasn't even talking to you.

M: Please don't be so arrogant as to think you know what clear means. I find you and your thinking rather cloudy. Thanks. :D

a: Again. . .I wasn't even talking to you. Are you like 5? You seem to not be able to fathom not being the center of attention. If somebody is not talking about you or to you, you jump up and down and scream and cry "Hey look at me!! Pay attention to me!!" You don't care what kind of response you get so long as you provoke some kind of response. I suspect you like to start arguments just to hear yourself talk.

M: I suspect you are projecting how you are onto me. I was talking to another poster, not you, remember?

a: Now do you have anything constructive to add to this thread regarding the OP's original topic or are you just going to continue on your personal crusade against me? Stop hijacking the guys thread.

M: Stop having hallucinations and knock off the arrogance. I will decide what is constructive according to my lights and my opinion. If I could trust in your judgment and wisdom to do so, I wouldn't even need to post. I could just let you tell everybody what's so. :D Which of us is 5?
 

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Originally posted by: techs
Misleading title.
The proposal is just to ban ice cream trucks within a certain distance from schools.
We already ban bars and liquor stores in many areas of the US from being near schools so I don't see the big deal.
What I find interesting is people want to moan and groan about childhood obesity yet when someone proposes something its "the end of the world".
Big deal if a local or national government wants to set limits on where a tasty treat can be sold since you can still buy it in any store.

You don't see the big deal about banning ice cream trucks from in front of schools? Ever hear of the slippery slope? What's next, convenience stores, grocery stores, candy shops, fast food joints, etc?

And read the article, some towns have banned them completely. Gdamn Nanny State.
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
ahurtt: My reply was to the OP, not to you.

M: My reply was to astrosfan90, not to you.

a: What are you cyber-stalking me?

M: No, but you are obviously stalking me, no? Aren't you questioning my right to respond to somebodies response to your response to somebody else? How come you attack me for that but I didn't attack you for the same thing but somehow I'm the one who is guilty?

a: Following me around thread to thread?

M: I post in lots of threads. If you worry that I might post something about something you post maybe this posting business is not something for you. People with big sore toes often feel stepped on.

a: So take your own advice and you mind your own business. The sole purpose of your unprovoked attack of a reply was to provoke me. I wasn't even talking to you.

M: Please don't be so arrogant as to think you know what clear means. I find you and your thinking rather cloudy. Thanks. :D

a: Again. . .I wasn't even talking to you. Are you like 5? You seem to not be able to fathom not being the center of attention. If somebody is not talking about you or to you, you jump up and down and scream and cry "Hey look at me!! Pay attention to me!!" You don't care what kind of response you get so long as you provoke some kind of response. I suspect you like to start arguments just to hear yourself talk.

M: I suspect you are projecting how you are onto me. I was talking to another poster, not you, remember?

a: Now do you have anything constructive to add to this thread regarding the OP's original topic or are you just going to continue on your personal crusade against me? Stop hijacking the guys thread.

M: Stop having hallucinations and knock off the arrogance. I will decide what is constructive according to my lights and my opinion. If I could trust in your judgment and wisdom to do so, I wouldn't even need to post. I could just let you tell everybody what's so. :D Which of us is 5?

Man you are totally delusional. . .both your first TWO posts in this thread were clearly aimed at what I said, were attacking me personally, and had nothing to do with the topic at hand. You even quoted me in your first reply. How was that reply not to me? And your 2nd reply to astrofan90 was clearly in reference to what I had said. . .after HE had clearly dropped the issue, although you didn't quote the previous threads on that one. If you got an issue with me take it up in another thread and stop hijacking other people's. Just look at the chronology of the posts in this thread. . .the evidence speaks for itself. It's quite clear who is attacking who unprovoked and completely off topic. It is clearly YOU who are carrying arguments from unrelated threads into this one and it isn't the first time you called me a "do gooder." So don't try to play innocent.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: ahurtt
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
ahurtt: My reply was to the OP, not to you.

M: My reply was to astrosfan90, not to you.

a: What are you cyber-stalking me?

M: No, but you are obviously stalking me, no? Aren't you questioning my right to respond to somebodies response to your response to somebody else? How come you attack me for that but I didn't attack you for the same thing but somehow I'm the one who is guilty?

a: Following me around thread to thread?

M: I post in lots of threads. If you worry that I might post something about something you post maybe this posting business is not something for you. People with big sore toes often feel stepped on.

a: So take your own advice and you mind your own business. The sole purpose of your unprovoked attack of a reply was to provoke me. I wasn't even talking to you.

M: Please don't be so arrogant as to think you know what clear means. I find you and your thinking rather cloudy. Thanks. :D

a: Again. . .I wasn't even talking to you. Are you like 5? You seem to not be able to fathom not being the center of attention. If somebody is not talking about you or to you, you jump up and down and scream and cry "Hey look at me!! Pay attention to me!!" You don't care what kind of response you get so long as you provoke some kind of response. I suspect you like to start arguments just to hear yourself talk.

M: I suspect you are projecting how you are onto me. I was talking to another poster, not you, remember?

a: Now do you have anything constructive to add to this thread regarding the OP's original topic or are you just going to continue on your personal crusade against me? Stop hijacking the guys thread.

M: Stop having hallucinations and knock off the arrogance. I will decide what is constructive according to my lights and my opinion. If I could trust in your judgment and wisdom to do so, I wouldn't even need to post. I could just let you tell everybody what's so. :D Which of us is 5?

Man you are totally delusional. . .both your first TWO posts in this thread were clearly aimed at what I said, were attacking me personally, and had nothing to do with the topic at hand. You even quoted me in your first reply. How was that reply not to me? And your 2nd reply to astrofan90 was clearly in reference to what I had said. . .after HE had clearly dropped the issue, although you didn't quote the previous threads on that one. If you got an issue with me take it up in another thread and stop hijacking other people's. Just look at the chronology of the posts in this thread. . .the evidence speaks for itself. It's quite clear who is attacking who unprovoked and completely off topic. It is clearly YOU who are carrying arguments from unrelated threads into this one and it isn't the first time you called me a "do gooder." So don't try to play innocent.

No no, you are so delusional that you should be forced to undergo therapy before you hurt somebody with your malicious good intentions. Some sort of state mental institution, I think, and shock therapy, is called for in your case.

And you are deeply paranoid too. You definitely need a time out from the rest of the human race.