about an 8 dollar difference between these, which one would be better?
still havent built a computer yet
still havent built a computer yet
brisbane 4800 x2 or c2d 4400?
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with c2d u just go to bios ..... change fsb from 200 to 300 at least without changing anything else.... and then u dont even need to ask any1 anymore whats better 
300 * 10=3000mhz core duo... kills any overclock of the x2 4800.
or u decide to become a lil more professional at oc-ing and u squeeze another 200-300 mhz out of it.... good luck
300 * 10=3000mhz core duo... kills any overclock of the x2 4800.or u decide to become a lil more professional at oc-ing and u squeeze another 200-300 mhz out of it.... good luck
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Originally posted by: AnotherGuy
with c2d u just go to bios ..... change fsb from 200 to 300 at least without changing anything else.... and then u dont even need to ask any1 anymore whats better
or u decide to become a lil more professional at oc-ing and u squeeze another 200-300 mhz out of it.... good luck
What if you do not overclock?
E4400 and 4800 trade blows quite equally, AM2 boards are generally cheaper.
That was the point of my post... that it is so easy to overclock em I dont see a reason why not to? Since u caring so much for a 5% better performance within the two.... y not make such a little effort to go to bios n just change 1 single item to get a 75% performance increase?
And me!!! I can never bring myself to actually try; as with all overclocking, there are risks, and I don't wish to take those risks.
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Some people do not like voiding warranties, or just do not want to bother with the try and fly of overclocking.
Majority of users do not overclock
So comparisions should be judged by if overclocking, and if not. Along with overall system costs.For non-overclocking, full system cost, AMD still wins in my opinion. I am interested in the soon price cuts for Intel, to see if Intel ties that. I really want a C2D
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yeah, warranties and such. some people just dont oc and have their reasons. some don't want to mess with it, some are afraid to go high enough for the oc to make a difference, whatever, it's all legitimate because no overclock is guaranteed and you could, although very very unlikely, damage your procesor or, more likely, some other component if you aren't 100% sure what you're doing.
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what if your a statisical person who runs countless amounts of folding, or runs tons of data though your processor?
You tweek a desktop, not a server. Ive had delema's on this regards, when building stuff for my dad, and other family members.
If your running a server, with slq, you dont want to oc. If your running a enterprise class machine, u cant overclock. Thats why people have these kinds of questions
OP, as of now, WAIT for the april price drops. Its in 2 weeks. Nothing hurts by you waiting just 2 weeks. Then i would seriously think about a E6600 on those price drops.
That should push you ahead of all the choices listed. And a E6600 will be a far better investment, then a dying AMD arch.
Thats a strong I DO NOT OVERCLOCK... lol for a second I thought it was against his religion
and Igomorla i guess ur right if u want it for bussiness... but i had in mind a personal computer...
and Igomorla i guess ur right if u want it for bussiness... but i had in mind a personal computer...
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Some people do not like voiding warranties, or just do not want to bother with the try and fly of overclocking.
Majority of users do not overclock
For non-overclocking, full system cost, AMD still wins in my opinion. I am interested in the soon price cuts for Intel, to see if Intel ties that. I really want a C2D
If you think AMD "wins" for your purpose (cost wise & no overclocking), I wonder why do you "really want" a C2D ?
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Originally posted by: rexian96
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Some people do not like voiding warranties, or just do not want to bother with the try and fly of overclocking.
Majority of users do not overclock
For non-overclocking, full system cost, AMD still wins in my opinion. I am interested in the soon price cuts for Intel, to see if Intel ties that. I really want a C2D
If you think AMD "wins" for your purpose (cost wise & no overclocking), I wonder why do you "really want" a C2D ?
he's trying to see if anyone would support his slight hunch on getting the AMD.
I know i would if i was completely lost in this field. The op can answer this the best himself, however, I can in a sense feel the same way the op does.
All in all, you cant beat the price of a C2D in april 22nd. So just wait and see how far something drops.
an E6420 will perform better then thats brisbane. Just to let you know..
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I want a C2D from the get go, since they overall perform better. I just cannot justify the price at the moment.
The price drop should definatley push me to buy a C2D for sure. Prices in Canada aren't as great as they are in the states.
You do not agree that if factoring price at low end, AMD would win? I guess not.
I may come off as a fan-boy, but I buy whatevers the best price/performance thats in my range (~350 CPU + ~200 MOBO).
The price drop should definatley push me to buy a C2D for sure. Prices in Canada aren't as great as they are in the states.
You do not agree that if factoring price at low end, AMD would win? I guess not.
I may come off as a fan-boy, but I buy whatevers the best price/performance thats in my range (~350 CPU + ~200 MOBO).
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The OP never said whether or not he/she/it wanted to overclock.
Without overclocking, it's kind of a wash between the two. Using the basic 20% rule, the E4400 (2 ghz) should perform about as well as a 2.4 ghz X2 w/512k l2 . . . and the X2-4800 Brisbane is 2.5 ghz w/512k l2. So, actually, I'd go with the Brisbane to be honest.
Without overclocking, it's kind of a wash between the two. Using the basic 20% rule, the E4400 (2 ghz) should perform about as well as a 2.4 ghz X2 w/512k l2 . . . and the X2-4800 Brisbane is 2.5 ghz w/512k l2. So, actually, I'd go with the Brisbane to be honest.
A Core 2 Duo E4300 is about even with the 4400+ Brisbane so E4400 would be even to the 4800+ Brisbane. a 5200+ is about equal with the E6400 so go with what processor brand your prefer you can have I believe a AM2 motherboard slightly cheaper then a P965 though.
Your looking at $60US for a NForce 550 or a ~$90US for a P965 or if you don't overclock ~$75 for a 945P Core 2 motherboard, so the motherboard is better value on the AMD front.
Your looking at $60US for a NForce 550 or a ~$90US for a P965 or if you don't overclock ~$75 for a 945P Core 2 motherboard, so the motherboard is better value on the AMD front.
I overclocked my $65 brisbane to 3.0Ghz, I don't think any c2d can beat this performance/dollar ratio, plus the $60 tofrce550 board is very nice with RAID options, I am running an E4300 at 3Ghz with an ASUS P5B board, no RAID avalible, costed me$150 more and just 15% performance improved which I can't tell at all. I should save this $150 to upgrade to 8800gts.
Yes the uber low cost of the Brisbanes and OCability beat the C2D at the Dollar line with better memory efficiency. I own 6 AMD procs, I like them better than the Intel hardware for the way the memory architecture works. As for C2D E6400, I have one that I'm testing and I'm not impressed. The real drag is the I865 mobo has no Overclock or ram settings leaving the little Conroe (they are small by comparison) at stock settings. Don't get me wrong, it's a solid fast processor but I still vote for the Brisbane.
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ACK your so right!
LOL i thought brassbomb was the OP for a sec. somewhere down the middle on OCing.
if your goign to OC, then HELLZ YEA, dont look at anything besides C2D.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/FinalTemp.jpg
14.5 sec super pi 1M. My AMD would do it in almost DOUBLE the time. Not to mention if these little girls are oc'd.
Were in a totally different ball league.
Actually, the E4400 is slightly faster than an X2 4800+. Don't forget that Brisbanes are slightly slower clock for clock than Windsor, and also many are not capable of running at full DDR2-800 memory speeds (even when set in BIOS) due to the half multiplier. So generally speaking Brisbane is up to 5% slower than Windsor clock for clock.
http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-roundup_8.html
People always point out that AM2 boards are cheaper, but they never point out that AM2 performs poorly with budget RAM. C2D is only 2-5% slower using DDR2-533 as opposed to DDR2-800, AM2 is 10 - 20% slower under the same circumstances. Check Anandtech's own article for confirmation if you wish: http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2800&p=7
Now, is the budget conscious buyer more likely to get DDR2-533, or DDR2-800? Hmm...
So you get a cheap as chips mobo with NO overclocking options (i865 ffs? my old P4 dinosaur ran on that chipset...), on a C2D chip well known to overclock past 3GHz, and you're 'not impressed'. Nice.
Can you imagine a car reviewer testing a brand new Ferrari, but with the stipulation that he cannot exceed 2nd gear. Then in the review the reviewer says: It wasn't as quick as I anticipated as I didn't exceed 2nd gear. I'm not impressed. Everyone is saying how great this Ferrari is, but in 2nd gear it really was not impressive at all - performance was average at best. My kids Nissan Skyline in top gear does better than this...
LOL
The only reason to go Brisbane is if you want to upgrade again to Barcelona soon on the same socket/mobo.
(Or if you want integrated graphics.)
(Or if you want integrated graphics.)
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