Bring back school led prayer?

[AFB]

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Seems to be quite an anrgument around here.

 

[gopunk]

there are so many problems with that article i don't even know where to begin... suffice it to say, i think the very fact that the writer wants politicians to be required to take an oath affirming a belief in god speaks for itself.

 

[magomago]

the problem is it doesn't take into account of people who don't beleive in Christianity, regardless of whatever they have another religion or if they don't beleive in religion

 

[sandorski]

The article is wrong. It was Rock'n'Roll, wait it was Television, ummm it was the threat of Atomic Annihilation from the Soviet Union, crap it was Vietnam, hmm Lead in gaseline. Fvck it.

A lot was happening in that time period.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: sandorski
The article is wrong. It was Rock'n'Roll, wait it was Television, ummm it was the threat of Atomic Annihilation from the Soviet Union, crap it was Vietnam, hmm Lead in gaseline. Fvck it.

A lot was happening in that time period.

No! It was videogames.. Or Elvis..

I know.. it was marijuana. That's what did it. No... it was the birth control pill. Or was it the sexual revolution in general?

The author of that article is a retard with an agenda.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: sandorski
The article is wrong. It was Rock'n'Roll, wait it was Television, ummm it was the threat of Atomic Annihilation from the Soviet Union, crap it was Vietnam, hmm Lead in gaseline. Fvck it.

A lot was happening in that time period.

No! It was videogames.. Or Elvis..

I know.. it was marijuana. That's what did it. No... it was the birth control pill. Or was it the sexual revolution in general?

The author of that article is a retard with an agenda.

and wrote it 15 years ago

 

[alchemize]

If liberals were really liberal, then they'd support homeschooling, vouchers and private schools. But that would erode their power base.

 

[miketheidiot]

if conservatives were really conservative, then they wouldn't run around warmongering and wastingmoney on pork. But that would erode their power base.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
if conservatives were really conservative, then they wouldn't run around warmongering and wastingmoney on pork. But the would erode their power base.

Quite the off-topic diversion. Yes, conservatives are the only ones who spend pork. What was the senate vote on the resolution to use force again? You are dismissed.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: alchemize
If liberals were really liberal, then they'd support homeschooling, vouchers and private schools. But that would erode their power base.

perhaps the 'liberals' don't like what is going on in the school system...
ie. Intelligent Design...

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: alchemize
If liberals were really liberal, then they'd support homeschooling, vouchers and private schools. But that would erode their power base.

perhaps the 'liberals' don't like what is going on in the school system...
ie. Intelligent Design...

Perhaps liberals should decide that if they want democracy at the local level or everything defined by the court system.

I'm fine with a secular public school system, if the local community chooses that and it isn't decreed by activist judges. But since my tax dollars feed into it, then don't I have any rights if I'm dissatisfied with it and choose to send my kids elsewhere (or keep them at home)?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
if conservatives were really conservative, then they wouldn't run around warmongering and wastingmoney on pork. But the would erode their power base.

Quite the off-topic diversion. Yes, conservatives are the only ones who spend pork. What was the senate vote on the resolution to use force again? You are dismissed.

no more off topic than you were.

 

[BarneyFife]

Kids can pray at home. Praying in school will make non-Christian kids uncomfortable and you are basically shoving your religion down someone's throat. Leave politics and religion out of school.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
if conservatives were really conservative, then they wouldn't run around warmongering and wastingmoney on pork. But the would erode their power base.

Quite the off-topic diversion. Yes, conservatives are the only ones who spend pork. What was the senate vote on the resolution to use force again? You are dismissed.

no more off topic than you were.

Can we stop with the bickering?

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Kids can pray at home. Praying in school will make non-Christian kids uncomfortable and you are basically shoving your religion down someone's throat. Leave politics and religion out of school.

The article wasn't about allowing children to pray in school, it was whether the teaches should lead it.

 

[Stunt]

Separate church and state.
If they want their kids to pray in school, they can send them to a new school.
teachers should not lead prayer, not fair for the kids or the teachers.

Also an article in '88 is hardly news.

 

[Engineer]

If people WANT to pray, let them. Don't force it upon anyone. I guess if they want silent prayer, then fine. If it's out loud, then no.

 

[Kibbo]

Originally posted by: alchemize
If liberals were really liberal, then they'd support homeschooling, vouchers and private schools. But that would erode their power base.

The issue is more complicated than that. Modern liberalism is not the laissez-faire ideology it once was. It has become concerned with issues of class, influenced by Weber (for the moderates) and Marx ( for those further on the left).

On economic issues, the modern liberal stance could be summed up as being in support of any policy that betters, or does not worsen, the position of the most vulnerable in society.

There are fears that a voucher system would sap support from a subsidized public education system in the middle class, since that group could afford to send its children to a private school if it were partially subsidized by the state. This could conceivably lead to a slow drain on funding for the education of the poorest among us.

It is a political concern, not an economic one. Economically, the voucher system could quite possibly be more efficient than your current public model. Of course, there are also other public models which are much more efficient than your current one. You can look at almost any other public school system in the developped world for support of that.

Sorry for the digression from the OP.

 

[judasmachine]

what if praying to my god requires me to be naked, and screaming at the top of my lungs?

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Kids can pray at home. Praying in school will make non-Christian kids uncomfortable and you are basically shoving your religion down someone's throat. Leave politics and religion out of school.

The article wasn't about allowing children to pray in school, it was whether the teaches should lead it.

yea, kids should be able to pray on their own... it just shouldn't be an official school activity