Brigitte Gabriel Speaks on Radical Islam

[imported_dna]

Video Link

Brigitte Gabriel raises the obvious question -- how come there have been no demonstration against Islamic fanaticism in the USA? After all, in the USA Muslim moderates have no reason to fear from radicals, as they would in the Middle East, or elsewhere.

 

[Pabster]

Good question. But the problem isn't just here in the USA; Where are the moderates everywhere?

 

[Aimster]

Muslims have spoken out numerous times.

You want them to go mass protest? HAH.
Demonstrations? For what? To educate ignorant people? HAH.

People have lives.

 

[imported_dna]

Apparently they have time to spend in pro-Hezbollah, anti-pope, and anti-cartoon rallies.

Perhaps you're satisfied with half-assed denounciations, but others aren't.

 

[yllus]

Only in this wacko forum do I find myself defending Islam. Cripes.

Okay, here we go: When Catholic priests went on their little stint of molestations being found out, did the moderate majority of Catholics apologize? The moderate majority of Hindus when some burned a train with hundreds of Muslims inside it in India? Point is, when you consider the acts of those so-called peers of your completely alien to what you'd do yourself, you feel no requirement to apologize or speak up for them. They're different from you.

 

[Aimster]

I am not even going to bother with this thread anymore.

Apparently you have a hard on for bashing Muslims.

Nobody in the U.S needs to go to the streets for pope rallies or cartoon burning. Why the hell should they? So people like you can be satisfied and sleep better at night? LOL.

They have lives and the rest of the world around them doesn't look at them as being evil.

& here you go:

The main organization representing Spain's million-member Muslim community, largely Sunni, condemned the train bombing and on Thursday issued what it said was the world's first fatwa, or Islamic edict, against bin Laden."
- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150098,00.html

CAIR Speaks out against the attacks on 9/11:
http://www.cair-net.org/crisiscenter/html/cair_ad.html

Muslim Leaders in Britain comdemn terrorist attacks (Leaders of the 150 mosques in the city have backed the statement)
http://www.cair-net.org/crisiscenter/html/cair_ad.html

Islamic world deplores U.S loses -Leaders of Syria, Egypt, Iran, Lebanon (INCLUDING HEZBOLLAH, etc
"In Lebanon the spiritual leader of the Shia guerrilla group, Hezbollah, called the attacks "barbaric acts".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1544955.stm

UK Muslims condemn 'lunatic fringe - Attacks on 9/11
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1554177.stm

Grand Sheikh condemns suicide bombings against civlians (Israel)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1690624.stm

Iran condemns attacks on US - September 9/11
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1549573.stm

Iraq's Grand Ayatollah Comdemns Attacks on Iraqi Churches
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3527032.stm

Muslim leaders have condemned the terror attacks on London and called for full co-operation with police.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4660411.stm

Canada Muslims condemn alleged bomb plot
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/04/canada.terror/index.html

Hizbollah Slams Beheading of American as Un-Islamic
"Lebanon's Hizbollah guerrilla group condemned Wednesday the beheading of an American hostage by Iraqi militants as an ugly crime that flouted the tenets of Islam."
http://au.news.yahoo.com/040512/15/p/oyu8.html

Arab world condemns attack in Egypt
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?...&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Area Muslims slam suicide bombing
http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20050310-105612-1198r.htm

U.K. Sunnis condemn London suicide attacks
"Ten days after Islamic radicals carried out deadly attacks on the London transport system, Britain?s largest Sunni Muslim group on Sunday issued a binding religious edict, a fatwa, condemning the July 7 suicide bombings as the work of a ?perverted ideology"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8569164/

Muslims Comdemn Seattle Jewish Center Murder
The Council on American-Islamic Relations, CAIR, was one of the first organizations to condemn the Seattle attack on behalf of American Muslims CAIR statement said:
http://www.cair- net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=2242&theType=NR

(WASHINGTON, DC, 7/28/06) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today condemned an attack on a Jewish community center in Seattle, Wash., that left one person dead and several more injured.
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyq8WTTndew

Iran's Khatami says suicide bombers hurt Islam
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former Iranian President Mohammed Khatami on Friday condemned the September 11 attacks against the United States as an atrocity and said suicide bombers did Islam an injustice and would not go to heaven.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060909/wl_nm/iran_usa_khatami_dc_2

Muslim Scholars Comdemn Terror
-http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/28/national/main712548.shtml

Dutch Muslims rally against violence
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:EOx...00B0-C831-476A-B7B1-D5E4E5DFD4CB.htm+1

Iran: End anti-cartoon violence
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/20/cartoons.protests/index.html

Arab Nations React Mildly to Lebanon Attack by Israel - condemn attacks on civilians and infrastructure, but also implicitly criticizing Hezballah.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203314,00.html

Jordan - Protesters condemn suicide attacks
http://www.jordanembassyus.org/11112005007.htm

Turkey Condemns Suicide Attack in Israel
http://english.people.com.cn/200204/13/eng20020413_93984.shtml

Muslim peace rally attracts thousands
"MORE than 20,000 British Muslims gathered yesterday at a conference in London, the largest meeting of its kind to be held in Europe. "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1904949,00.html

Enjoy your thread.

 

[sandorski]

Repost X 10+, everytime the OP got pwned. Who wants to go again?

 

[Moonbeam]

dna is scared he's going to be killed by terrorists and the tightening of his anal sphincter shuts off the blood to his brain. He needs Muslims to be evil so he can eliminate them without troubling his conscience or listening to his heart. It is how people who never examine themselves and how the tick work. Fear kill, fear kill, fear kill. Of course they will never admit their afraid. Not manly, you see.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
dna is scared he's going to be killed by terrorists and the tightening of his anal sphincter shuts off the blood to his brain. He needs Muslims to be evil so he can eliminate them without troubling his conscience or listening to his heart. It is how people who never examine themselves and how the tick work. Fear kill, fear kill, fear kill. Of course they will never admit their afraid. Not manly, you see.

I'm concerned and afraid, of the fact that we would rather appease the violent than stand up and oppose them. Apparently it's alright to have one single religion to be of perpetual rage, but all the others would be shunned and assaulted if they called for world domination and assassinations.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
dna is scared he's going to be killed by terrorists and the tightening of his anal sphincter shuts off the blood to his brain. He needs Muslims to be evil so he can eliminate them without troubling his conscience or listening to his heart. It is how people who never examine themselves and how the tick work. Fear kill, fear kill, fear kill. Of course they will never admit their afraid. Not manly, you see.

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[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
dna is scared he's going to be killed by terrorists and the tightening of his anal sphincter shuts off the blood to his brain. He needs Muslims to be evil so he can eliminate them without troubling his conscience or listening to his heart. It is how people who never examine themselves and how the tick work. Fear kill, fear kill, fear kill. Of course they will never admit their afraid. Not manly, you see.

So what does a man-among-men like you do? Embrace the death and violence brought to his own culture and society? Only the fools aren't afraid.

More than I'm afraid for my own sake, I'm afraid to the apologestic civilization I'm living in. Instead of fighting back, the world has choosen to largely turn the other cheek around. That disgusts me.
People like you try to out-smart the reality, which is quite simple: There's a war out there, whether you like it or not, 9/11 wasn't the end - heck, it wasn't even the beginning - and the sooner we kill those who rose to kill us, the better our world be.

Choose a side.

 

[imported_dna]

Heh....
You post a large number of links that for the weak minded look fine, but upon closer inspection, they have very little substance.

1. CAIR publishes an ad in the paper, and that is the equivalent of a rally?
2. You post a link to a Jordanian rally where they protest a suicide bombing that happened in their country? I recall some stories that many Jordanians had no problems with suicide bombings against US troops.
3. A cartoon in Iran against the violence due to the Mohammed cartoons? That's rich.
4. You link to, among others, a half-assed condemnations by an Ayatollah, under the title "Islamic World Deplores US Loses", as if the 9/11 deads were lost at sea or in a natural disaster.
   Here are some quotes to show you how half assed that is:
   

   But if its roots were really to be tackled, terrorism and its practitioners would have to be defined, he said, pointing to Israel and calling it a "terrorist state which was killing children".
   
   America's support and its arrogant policies around the world might help to explain the brutalism of the hijackers, he added.

   In Iraq, a nationally televised sermon from Baghdad's al-Azam mosque urged that no tears be shed for "tyrants whose hands are stained with the blood of our people".

   And at the al-Ansar mosque in the West Bank town of Hebron, where supporters of the militant Islamic movement Hamas were heavily represented among worshippers, the sermon did not mention the US attacks.

   (well, these guys danced in the streets)
   
5. Many of those who condemend the 9/11 attacks -- Hezbollah, and in Iran -- have since backtracked, and now push the conspiracy theories.
6. Of all your links, only a single rally, and even there, they could not abstain from placing some blame on the West:
   

   However, he was critical of the dominance of the West and said that Western values were ?hurting the world?.

7. Hezbollah "slams" the beheading of Berg, but the reason is different than what you make it seem to be:
   

   Hizbollah said Berg's killing had diverted the world's gaze from an escalating furor over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by occupation soldiers.
   
   "The timing of this act that overshadowed the scandal over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners in occupation forces prisons is suspect timing that aims to serve the American administration and occupation forces in Iraq and present excuses and pretexts for their inhumane practices against Iraqi detainees."

   Yep, it draws media attention away from an issue that helped them.... :roll:

We all remember the half-assed condemnations that muslims issued after the arrests made in the liquid-bombs plot, essentially hinting that future attacks will take place, unless the foreign policy is altered (in a way that muslims like, of course).

Got any more random links that you didn't even read before posting?

 

[Caminetto]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
dna is scared he's going to be killed by terrorists and the tightening of his anal sphincter shuts off the blood to his brain. He needs Muslims to be evil so he can eliminate them without troubling his conscience or listening to his heart. It is how people who never examine themselves and how the tick work. Fear kill, fear kill, fear kill. Of course they will never admit their afraid. Not manly, you see.

So what does a man-among-men like you do? Embrace the death and violence brought to his own culture and society? Only the fools aren't afraid.

More than I'm afraid for my own sake, I'm afraid to the apologestic civilization I'm living in. Instead of fighting back, the world has choosen to largely turn the other cheek around. That disgusts me.
People like you try to out-smart the reality, which is quite simple: There's a war out there, whether you like it or not, 9/11 wasn't the end - heck, it wasn't even the beginning - and the sooner we kill those who rose to kill us, the better our world be.

Choose a side.

You just enhanced his point.
Reread the part about self-examination.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Caminetto
You just enhanced his point.
Reread the part about self-examination.

Moonbeam never adds any substance to the discussion.
His solution was self-examination even after that guy in Louisiana stabbed his tree-year old daughter, and ran over his wife.

He can call this fear, and obsess about the anus as much as he wants, but at the end of the day you have to pick a side, since the fanatics have already stated their goals, and have begun taking actions in order to achieve their goals.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yup, pick a side, right left, up down, good evil, and on and on, in the black and white world of duality......

Truth is the integration of paradox in higher understanding. It is seeing the fundamental identity of opposites via the collapse of delusion. It is the realization that the Universe is Love. It is the consciousness that appears to the honest analyst who can let go of all that he is. The enemy you fear and hate is you. You are the source and creator of all that you fear. Your hate does two things. It denies you the kingdom of heaven but it protects you from the memory of immense pain. The fear of that pain is the hell we have made that we live in.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The enemy you fear and hate is you. You are the source and creator of all that you fear.

Dang it, you got me! Now I see the light, hallelujah!!

I must atone for my sins, as I am directly responsible for the behading and suicide bombers in Iraq, right along with the 7/7 Londong bombings.

Pray tell me, how do I redeem myself, oh, elightened one? Was it a rectal probe that set you on the path of righteousness?

 

[sandorski]

Ahh. Mockers Mock, who'da thunk it?

 

[kylebisme]

Brigitte Gabriel is batshit insane.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Brigitte Gabriel is batshit insane.

So says the guy who has yet to back many of his assertions with actual proof.

Here's another video to show what qualifies as "batshit insane" for this fella.

 

[sandorski]

She is. Once again Muslims are being forced to take responsibbility for things they are not responsible for. Did American Catholics march to stop the iRA? Did anyone even consider that they were obligated too?

"Personal Responsibility", not "Group Responsibility".

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The enemy you fear and hate is you. You are the source and creator of all that you fear.

Dang it, you got me! Now I see the light, hallelujah!!

I must atone for my sins, as I am directly responsible for the behading and suicide bombers in Iraq, right along with the 7/7 Londong bombings.

Pray tell me, how do I redeem myself, oh, elightened one? Was it a rectal probe that set you on the path of righteousness?

The first thing to do is to realize that you are nothing and of no importance at all. You do know that don't you, deep inside? For one thing you have been told that all your life, that you are worthless in one way or another. You should be able to see that's what you feel because it's what you want to pass on to me.

We are nobodies but because we were told that being a nobody is a worthless state we don't want to admit that we really are nobodies and and don't see, therefore, that being a nobody is just great.

Once you are able to be the nobody you really are everything that you used to think is important will go away. You will need none of the things that now give strength to your ego. A nobody doesn't need those things. You will be left with only that which you are. You will not think because there is nothing worth thinking about. When thought stops your consciousness will become very still and the beauty of the infinite universe will explode into being. You will enter the infinite now of being. All the love you seek will be yours as it pours out of you. You will understand that there is nothing at all for you but what you give. And it will not matter at all because in total love of the Beloved the lover disappears. There is only love.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Brigitte Gabriel is batshit insane.

So says the guy who has yet to back many of his assertions with actual proof.

Here's another video to show what qualifies as "batshit insane" for this fella.

Heh, I do back up my assertions, but it's easy to see how you struggle to comprehend such things when you are hanging out in the same nuthouse has Brigitte Gabriel and Phyllis Chesler.

For those who might be curious to know more about these two raving lunatics, check out this article about an incident with them a few months ago.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: sandorski
She is. Once again Muslims are being forced to take responsibbility for things they are not responsible for. Did American Catholics march to stop the iRA? Did anyone even consider that they were obligated too?

"Personal Responsibility", not "Group Responsibility".

Perhaps you missed that part where she talks about the fact that these extremist don't come out of nowhere -- they are created within a community that protects them, and goads them to do acts of terror. That is what happened in London and Madrid, and that's what happened in Seattle not long ago when a "lone gunman" decided to shoot some women at at a Jewish community center.

Like it or not, this is group responsibility, since there are plenty of Islamist that promote hatered, and call for the killing of infidels for this or that reason; in fact, they have a free hand in the Middle East and other places. It's not just some small movement seeking political recognition in Northern Ireland.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
For those who might be curious to know more about these two raving lunatics, check out this article about an incident with them a few months ago.

Wow, you really proved your case...... :roll:
Not to mention that you did not counter anything that she said in the video I posted -- you only called her a loony.

You linked to a page where some guy gives you his version of what happened at the University of Memphis, and that's it. At most, you're making that a case of her word against his word. In fact, I did a little bit of searching, and I found that this Omar Baddar has posted some comments here, and claimed that he has a video of the talk, yet even several months after the event he has failed to produce his evidence. Doesn't seems like he's good for anything besides copy&pasting his comments (here).

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: sandorski
She is. Once again Muslims are being forced to take responsibbility for things they are not responsible for. Did American Catholics march to stop the iRA? Did anyone even consider that they were obligated too?

"Personal Responsibility", not "Group Responsibility".

Perhaps you missed that part where she talks about the fact that these extremist don't come out of nowhere -- they are created within a community that protects them, and goads them to do acts of terror. That is what happened in London and Madrid, and that's what happened in Seattle not long ago when a "lone gunman" decided to shoot some women at at a Jewish community center.

Like it or not, this is group responsibility, since there are plenty of Islamist that promote hatered, and call for the killing of infidels for this or that reason; in fact, they have a free hand in the Middle East and other places. It's not just some small movement seeking political recognition in Northern Ireland.

That "Communiity" is a small subset of the greater community. The greater community bears no responsibility.