Bright headlights under review

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They're blue, they're bright and to many startled drivers they seem blinding, but high-intensity Xenon headlights are being heralded by the lighting supply industry as potentially life-saving in the face of possible federal regulations that might endanger the future of the technology.

Lighting suppliers joined forces in 2003 to form the Motor Vehicle Lighting Council, which promotes advances in automotive lighting.

The group has been a staunch defender of high-intensity lights, which have come under scrutiny by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration as the agency rewrites federal safety standards for automotive lighting.

In 2001, the traffic safety agency put out a call for public comment on potential new headlight rules that covered height and aiming, and the brilliance of high-performance bulbs.

NHTSA has received more than 5,000 separate reports on the topic, ranging from one-page letters from individuals to multi-section technical briefs.

The response is not the biggest in the agency's history -- airbags top all other issues -- but is "a high number" for any automotive issue, said agency spokeswoman Liz Neblitt.

High intensity lights are more expensive than traditional headlights, but their brighter light and better durability make them a technology whose time has come, according to the council.

A study by the University of Michigan's Transportation Research Institute found a safety need for high-intensity lights, which have been gradually coming into the North American auto market on luxury and import vehicles.

"People routinely over-drive their headlamps at night," said researcher Michael J. Flannagan, noting that about 2,300 pedestrians are killed each year in the United States alone because drivers didn't see them in darkness until a collision was unavoidable.

Many motorists who wrote to NHTSA support the bright lights, saying they help avoid accidents or improve night driving by reducing eyestrain. Many others, however, criticize the lights as potential safety risks.

"It is our wish, even, that they would be made illegal to use," http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0505/17/C06-184074.htm
 

Calin

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There is this situation: if I use very bright lights, I see better. My eyes are used to that kind of light, and as long as the incoming cars don't have bright lights, the eyes keep their night seeing capacity.
If every car coming at me has those very bright lights, my eyes will be strained because of the high light and won't see as good my own bright light.
This only helps those that have them, especially when the others don't have them.

I hope some very bright lights will make the pedestrians wearing black at night on the road be more visible - however, I know this won't happen. And I know for sure the headlamps on the other cars are just too bright for me when I drive at night.
 

0roo0roo

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i don't like the really blue ones that don't point down enough when behind you. every bump the car hits or incline u get flashed in the @#% eyes.
 

Ikonomi

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HID projectors forever. :thumbsup:

BTW, I've had more trouble with people and their badly-aimed halogens (or badly-aimed ricer blue halogens) than I ever have with other cars' HIDs. True high intensity discharge lamps take a lot of flack because of the cheap "xenon" kits with no projectors and blue-tinted halogen bulbs people stick in their Civics and Chevy trucks.

HID light is white, BTW -- the blue tint is just a halo created by the projector lenses. If you use blue-tinted bulbs to emulate the effect, you're actually getting less light after all the non-blue wavelengths are filtered out. That's a shame considering green light provides the best night vision.

I believe the HID standard requires projectors because the bulbs put out three times more light than a halogen bulb. Projectors make sure that the majority of this light is directed onto the road, using shutters to cut off the beams below a driver's eye level. Most people who install aftermarket kits just throw the ballasts and bulbs onto their stock reflectors, with no regard to the amount of light they're throwing up into the faces of other drivers. But I don't encounter these as much as poorly-aimed halogens, which can still give you a green spot in your vision, or stupid people driving with their brights on.

The only problem I've had with real HID projectors was some soccer mom driving her XC90 with the high beams on. Those are bi-level HID lamps, BTW. It's not comfortable getting that much light in your face.
 
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I dont have a problems with HID, as long as they are aligned. The aftermarket HID that are installed on non HID headlight systems should be illegal, they are blinding.

I use teh Sylvania Cool Blue, and no complaints from them. I used to use the Silverstars, but they burnt out. In the rain the HID systems show the road much better than my headlights.
 

PatboyX

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are these the lights that are getting stolen out of peoples cars while they are parked in their driveway?
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: TheGoodGuy
I dont have a problems with HID, as long as they are aligned. The aftermarket HID that are installed on non HID headlight systems should be illegal, they are blinding.

I use teh Sylvania Cool Blue, and no complaints from them. I used to use the Silverstars, but they burnt out. In the rain the HID systems show the road much better than my headlights.

They are illegal, but it's rarely enforced. :(

I have factory-installed HID projectors. That is the only way to go. IMHO, those cheap non-projector HIDs suck. Acura puts them in a lot of their vehicles. Those are the ones that blind people, along with aftermarkets that use glass designed forhalogens.
 

psiu

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Don't like em. ESPECIALLY on big SUV's and trucks which put the lights at about eye level for anyone in a car.
 

Ikonomi

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: TheGoodGuy
I dont have a problems with HID, as long as they are aligned. The aftermarket HID that are installed on non HID headlight systems should be illegal, they are blinding.

I use teh Sylvania Cool Blue, and no complaints from them. I used to use the Silverstars, but they burnt out. In the rain the HID systems show the road much better than my headlights.

They are illegal, but it's rarely enforced. :(

I have factory-installed HID projectors. That is the only way to go. IMHO, those cheap non-projector HIDs suck. Acura puts them in a lot of their vehicles. Those are the ones that blind people, along with aftermarkets that use glass designed forhalogens.

Good point about the Acuras. The 3.2TL used HIDs in a reflector, but I don't think I've ever had a problem looking at them on the road. If they're aimed properly I guess it's okay.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: psiu
Don't like em. ESPECIALLY on big SUV's and trucks which put the lights at about eye level for anyone in a car.

All vehicles should have their headlamps aimed to the same distance, meaning that SUVs have their headlamps aimed at a great angle downwards from the factory. I have never, not once, been blinded by a factory HID and I drive a very small and low car.
 

jsbush

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I dunno since i got my new car, and hids... I see better and people with highs on doesn't even bother me anymore because my eyes are already used to extra light.
 

vegetation

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Factory installed HIDs don't bother me one bit. It's the asshats with the fake blue bulbs, out of alignment, that is the source of the problem.
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: vegetation
Factory installed HIDs don't bother me one bit. It's the asshats with the fake blue bulbs, out of alignment, that is the source of the problem.
:thumbsup:
 

isekii

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Originally posted by: Ikonomi
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: TheGoodGuy
I dont have a problems with HID, as long as they are aligned. The aftermarket HID that are installed on non HID headlight systems should be illegal, they are blinding.

I use teh Sylvania Cool Blue, and no complaints from them. I used to use the Silverstars, but they burnt out. In the rain the HID systems show the road much better than my headlights.

They are illegal, but it's rarely enforced. :(

I have factory-installed HID projectors. That is the only way to go. IMHO, those cheap non-projector HIDs suck. Acura puts them in a lot of their vehicles. Those are the ones that blind people, along with aftermarkets that use glass designed forhalogens.

Good point about the Acuras. The 3.2TL used HIDs in a reflector, but I don't think I've ever had a problem looking at them on the road. If they're aimed properly I guess it's okay.

They're really suppose to have autoleveling.
 

Calin

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And I heard people complained about the same when the electric bulbs were replacing the acetilene lights.
 

Demon-Xanth

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I don't mind them, as long as people do the following:
Turn the high beams off on the freeway.
Turn the high beams off when oncoming traffic is around.
Turn the high beams off when they're behind someone.
Align them correctly.

It seems like some people need to show off thier new shiney headlights while driving down a crowded freeway blinding fscking everyone around.
 

Apathetic

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They are WAY too bright. If you can't see with normal headlights, then you shouldn't be driving at night.

Dave
 

skace

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Dude those things are so fvcking bright. I've almost crashed due to some asshat driving up behind me with those and blinding the sh!t outa me. If there was one thing I hate about driving, it would be those lights. Now, yes, they could be incorrectly aligned, but isn't part of getting your car registered and inspected a headlight alignment? I thought it was, they realign mine. So assuming these cars are getting aligned correctly, I have nothing else to blame but the headlights themselves. If these cars arn't being aligned properly, then that needs to be resolved because those lights are dangerous.
 

Demon-Xanth

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In California, all they really care about during registration is emmissions and money. The DMV doesn't even want you to show up anymore.
 

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: psiu
Don't like em. ESPECIALLY on big SUV's and trucks which put the lights at about eye level for anyone in a car.

All vehicles should have their headlamps aimed to the same distance, meaning that SUVs have their headlamps aimed at a great angle downwards from the factory. I have never, not once, been blinded by a factory HID and I drive a very small and low car.
I'm constantly blinded by HIDs.
Sure in a perfect world where every road is totally flat the autoleveling and aiming of the lights stops you from getting too much light in your face. Since we don't live in that perfect world with thoes perfect roads, I get blinded.