Bremer: 'Something should have been done earlier'
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CADsortaGUY
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Better watch out for gaard and napalm
They might jump you for questioning why we need more threads on this.The MODs don't care and according to gaard - YOU(I) shouldn't either.
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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Better watch out for gaard and napalm
The MODs don't care and according to gaard - YOU(I) shouldn't either.
CkG
I agree with you that there should stop being threads, I mean, Rumsfeld isn't going to be fired over this, just like Tenet wasn't for 9-11, and we already know that these prisoners have been abused. Why do we have to have every other thread talk about this? It already makes me sick.
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I Think that this is important, but with so many threads on the subject I am not sure which one to post it in, so I guess I should post it in all of them...Well here goes,,,,,,,,,
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General Blames Abuse on Poor Leadership
General Says No Plan to Shut Iraq Prison, Blames Abuse on Poor Leadership and Disregard of Rules
The Associated Press
BAGHDAD, Iraq May 8, 2004 ? The head of U.S. detention centers in Iraq said Saturday the military has no plans to close the Abu Ghraib prison and blamed the abuse of detainees there on poor leadership and disregard for the rules.
Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller said the United States does intend to cut the number of prisoners to help improve conditions but added that "we will continue to conduct interrogation missions at the Abu Ghraib facility."
Miller was named head of prisons in April after Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, the commander of Abu Ghraib, was suspended amid allegations of prisoner abuse by U.S. soldiers at the prison.
Six prison guards are facing criminal charges for alleged abuse of Iraqi prisonerss, and one has already been charged.
President Bush vowed Saturday that "we will learn all the facts and determine the full extent of these abuses. Those involved will be identified. They will answer for their actions."
Bush said all prison operations in Iraq will be reviewed "to make certain that similar disgraceful incidents are never repeated."
Miller said he visited all 14 prison facilities in Iraq to review procedures and that an Army team of 31 specialists was in the country retraining prison guards, a process that would last until June 30.
"We will ensure that we follow our procedures," he said. "It is a matter of honor. We were ashamed and embarrassed by the conduct of a very, very small number of our soldiers...On my honor, I will ensure that it will not happen again."
Miller said the "alleged abuses and abuses we have discovered from the investigations appear to be due to leaders and soldiers not following the authorized policy and lack of leadership and supervision."
Miller insisted that Iraqi prisoners were now being treated in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and that interrogation teams were following Army guidelines while trying to get "the best intelligence as rapidly as possible."
"I am satisfied that that system is following the provisions of the Geneva Conventions and assisting the coalition in providing actionable intelligence to help us win this fight for the freedom of Iraq," he said.
He said earlier in the week that he would halt or restrict some interrogation methods, especially eight to 10 "very aggressive techniques," including using hoods on prisoners, putting them in stressful positions and depriving them of sleep. He said those methods are now banned without specific approval.
Miller said there were no plans to close Abu Ghraib and that if orders are received to close the lockup, the military would probably shift the mission to another facility, Camp Bucca, south of Basra. Abu Ghraib was a notorious prison under Saddam Hussein where detainees were routinely tortured and sometimes executed.
Miller, the former commander of the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, led a 30-member team to Iraq in August and September that focused on ways of sharpening interrogation procedures.
In a report on the Abu Ghraib scandal, Maj. Gen. Anthony Taguba wrote that the team recommended "that the guard force be actively engaged in setting the conditions for successful exploitation of the internees."
Some military police at the prison have said they were instructed to "soften up" the prisoners before interrogation.
"There was no recommendation ever by this group ... that recommended that the military police become actively involved in the interrogation," Miller said.
Miller said he recommended that guards should monitor prisoners closely and pass on information to interrogators.
Military police "should be involved in passive intelligence collection," Miller said.
One of the soldiers facing charges, Spc. Sabrina Harman, said she and other members of the 372nd Military Police Company took direction from Army military intelligence officers, CIA operatives and from civilian contractors who conducted interrogations.
In an interview by e-mail from Baghdad, Harman told The Washington Post it was made clear that her mission was to break down the prisoners.
"They would bring in one to several prisoners at a time already hooded and cuffed," Harman said. "The job of the MP was to keep them awake, make it hell so they would talk."
Harman, 26, is one of two smiling soldiers seen in a photo taken at Abu Ghraib as they stand behind naked, hooded Iraqi prisoners stacked in a pyramid.
Miller said that in part he used his experience at Guantanamo to help reshape the interrogation process.
Miller has said that by the end of his stint at Guantanamo in March, intelligence tips had increased dramatically and that about three-quarters of the 600 detainees had confessed to some involvement in terrorism and many had exposed former friends. The detainees there were largely suspected of ties to the Taliban or the al-Qaida terror network.
Miller said he had a "high level of confidence" that proper procedures were now being implemented in Iraq.
"We may make honest mistakes ... but there will be no mistakes of moral turpitude," he said.
photo credit and caption: A U.S. Army military policeman leads a group of fresh detainees for interrogation inside the Abu Ghraib Prison on the outskirts of Baghdad, Iraq Saturday, May 8, 2004. American soldiers now at the prison arrived months after photos were taken showing prisoner abuse in late 2003.(AP Photo/John Moore)
Link
General Blames Abuse on Poor Leadership
General Says No Plan to Shut Iraq Prison, Blames Abuse on Poor Leadership and Disregard of Rules
The Associated Press
BAGHDAD, Iraq May 8, 2004 ? The head of U.S. detention centers in Iraq said Saturday the military has no plans to close the Abu Ghraib prison and blamed the abuse of detainees there on poor leadership and disregard for the rules.
Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller said the United States does intend to cut the number of prisoners to help improve conditions but added that "we will continue to conduct interrogation missions at the Abu Ghraib facility."
Miller was named head of prisons in April after Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, the commander of Abu Ghraib, was suspended amid allegations of prisoner abuse by U.S. soldiers at the prison.
Six prison guards are facing criminal charges for alleged abuse of Iraqi prisonerss, and one has already been charged.
President Bush vowed Saturday that "we will learn all the facts and determine the full extent of these abuses. Those involved will be identified. They will answer for their actions."
Bush said all prison operations in Iraq will be reviewed "to make certain that similar disgraceful incidents are never repeated."
Miller said he visited all 14 prison facilities in Iraq to review procedures and that an Army team of 31 specialists was in the country retraining prison guards, a process that would last until June 30.
"We will ensure that we follow our procedures," he said. "It is a matter of honor. We were ashamed and embarrassed by the conduct of a very, very small number of our soldiers...On my honor, I will ensure that it will not happen again."
Miller said the "alleged abuses and abuses we have discovered from the investigations appear to be due to leaders and soldiers not following the authorized policy and lack of leadership and supervision."
Miller insisted that Iraqi prisoners were now being treated in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and that interrogation teams were following Army guidelines while trying to get "the best intelligence as rapidly as possible."
"I am satisfied that that system is following the provisions of the Geneva Conventions and assisting the coalition in providing actionable intelligence to help us win this fight for the freedom of Iraq," he said.
He said earlier in the week that he would halt or restrict some interrogation methods, especially eight to 10 "very aggressive techniques," including using hoods on prisoners, putting them in stressful positions and depriving them of sleep. He said those methods are now banned without specific approval.
Miller said there were no plans to close Abu Ghraib and that if orders are received to close the lockup, the military would probably shift the mission to another facility, Camp Bucca, south of Basra. Abu Ghraib was a notorious prison under Saddam Hussein where detainees were routinely tortured and sometimes executed.
Miller, the former commander of the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, led a 30-member team to Iraq in August and September that focused on ways of sharpening interrogation procedures.
In a report on the Abu Ghraib scandal, Maj. Gen. Anthony Taguba wrote that the team recommended "that the guard force be actively engaged in setting the conditions for successful exploitation of the internees."
Some military police at the prison have said they were instructed to "soften up" the prisoners before interrogation.
"There was no recommendation ever by this group ... that recommended that the military police become actively involved in the interrogation," Miller said.
Miller said he recommended that guards should monitor prisoners closely and pass on information to interrogators.
Military police "should be involved in passive intelligence collection," Miller said.
One of the soldiers facing charges, Spc. Sabrina Harman, said she and other members of the 372nd Military Police Company took direction from Army military intelligence officers, CIA operatives and from civilian contractors who conducted interrogations.
In an interview by e-mail from Baghdad, Harman told The Washington Post it was made clear that her mission was to break down the prisoners.
"They would bring in one to several prisoners at a time already hooded and cuffed," Harman said. "The job of the MP was to keep them awake, make it hell so they would talk."
Harman, 26, is one of two smiling soldiers seen in a photo taken at Abu Ghraib as they stand behind naked, hooded Iraqi prisoners stacked in a pyramid.
Miller said that in part he used his experience at Guantanamo to help reshape the interrogation process.
Miller has said that by the end of his stint at Guantanamo in March, intelligence tips had increased dramatically and that about three-quarters of the 600 detainees had confessed to some involvement in terrorism and many had exposed former friends. The detainees there were largely suspected of ties to the Taliban or the al-Qaida terror network.
Miller said he had a "high level of confidence" that proper procedures were now being implemented in Iraq.
"We may make honest mistakes ... but there will be no mistakes of moral turpitude," he said.
photo credit and caption: A U.S. Army military policeman leads a group of fresh detainees for interrogation inside the Abu Ghraib Prison on the outskirts of Baghdad, Iraq Saturday, May 8, 2004. American soldiers now at the prison arrived months after photos were taken showing prisoner abuse in late 2003.(AP Photo/John Moore)
Let's play a little game. I call it "Find the contradictions".
Timeline: Iraq Prison Abuse Scandal
? Jan. 13: A Member of the 800th Military Police Brigade tells superiors about prison abuses, and Pentagon officials are informed. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld is told a day or so later. Shortly afterward, Rumsfeld tells Bush.
CNN (5/1/04)
Well, topping the news right now, deep disgust from the president of the United States to disturbing images of Iraqi prisoners in Baghdad. U.S. treatment of prisoners at the infamous Abu Ghraib Prison has been under investigation for about two months. The White House says President Bush has known about the photos for some time now.
Shock, outrage over prison photos
White House spokesman Scott McClellan described the acts depicted in the photos as "despicable."
"We cannot tolerate it, and the military is taking strong action against those responsible," McClellan said.
He said the president had known about the images for a while but declined to offer further details.
Transcript: President Bush's Interview with Al Hurra TV
"Yes. First time I saw or heard about pictures was on TV."
Source: Bush unhappy with defense chief
"At a private Oval Office meeting, Bush complained about learning of the existence of photographs showing Iraqi prisoners being humiliated and degraded from media accounts, the official said."
Timeline: Iraq Prison Abuse Scandal
? Jan. 13: A Member of the 800th Military Police Brigade tells superiors about prison abuses, and Pentagon officials are informed. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld is told a day or so later. Shortly afterward, Rumsfeld tells Bush.
CNN (5/1/04)
Well, topping the news right now, deep disgust from the president of the United States to disturbing images of Iraqi prisoners in Baghdad. U.S. treatment of prisoners at the infamous Abu Ghraib Prison has been under investigation for about two months. The White House says President Bush has known about the photos for some time now.
Shock, outrage over prison photos
White House spokesman Scott McClellan described the acts depicted in the photos as "despicable."
"We cannot tolerate it, and the military is taking strong action against those responsible," McClellan said.
He said the president had known about the images for a while but declined to offer further details.
Transcript: President Bush's Interview with Al Hurra TV
"Yes. First time I saw or heard about pictures was on TV."
Source: Bush unhappy with defense chief
"At a private Oval Office meeting, Bush complained about learning of the existence of photographs showing Iraqi prisoners being humiliated and degraded from media accounts, the official said."
Originally posted by: Gaard
Let's play a little game. I call it "Find the contradictions".
Timeline: Iraq Prison Abuse Scandal
? Jan. 13: A Member of the 800th Military Police Brigade tells superiors about prison abuses, and Pentagon officials are informed. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld is told a day or so later. Shortly afterward, Rumsfeld tells Bush.
CNN (5/1/04)
Well, topping the news right now, deep disgust from the president of the United States to disturbing images of Iraqi prisoners in Baghdad. U.S. treatment of prisoners at the infamous Abu Ghraib Prison has been under investigation for about two months. The White House says President Bush has known about the photos for some time now.
Shock, outrage over prison photos
White House spokesman Scott McClellan described the acts depicted in the photos as "despicable."
"We cannot tolerate it, and the military is taking strong action against those responsible," McClellan said.
He said the president had known about the images for a while but declined to offer further details.
Transcript: President Bush's Interview with Al Hurra TV
"Yes. First time I saw or heard about pictures was on TV."
Source: Bush unhappy with defense chief
"At a private Oval Office meeting, Bush complained about learning of the existence of photographs showing Iraqi prisoners being humiliated and degraded from media accounts, the official said."
Your Taking those Stories "out of Context"
--SMashpCaD--
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: Gaard
Let's play a little game. I call it "Find the contradictions".
Timeline: Iraq Prison Abuse Scandal
? Jan. 13: A Member of the 800th Military Police Brigade tells superiors about prison abuses, and Pentagon officials are informed. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld is told a day or so later. Shortly afterward, Rumsfeld tells Bush.
CNN (5/1/04)
Well, topping the news right now, deep disgust from the president of the United States to disturbing images of Iraqi prisoners in Baghdad. U.S. treatment of prisoners at the infamous Abu Ghraib Prison has been under investigation for about two months. The White House says President Bush has known about the photos for some time now.
Shock, outrage over prison photos
White House spokesman Scott McClellan described the acts depicted in the photos as "despicable."
"We cannot tolerate it, and the military is taking strong action against those responsible," McClellan said.
He said the president had known about the images for a while but declined to offer further details.
Transcript: President Bush's Interview with Al Hurra TV
"Yes. First time I saw or heard about pictures was on TV."
Source: Bush unhappy with defense chief
"At a private Oval Office meeting, Bush complained about learning of the existence of photographs showing Iraqi prisoners being humiliated and degraded from media accounts, the official said."
Your Taking those Stories "out of Context"
--SMashpCaD--
:roll:
First you have to know what context is
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