breaking: North Korea just artillery shelled a South Korean island

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Lifer
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Not a big deal.

Obama is too much of a pussy to do anything about it.

Just look at his response from the sinking of the SK military ship.
Oh thats right, there was no response.

WTF do you want him to do? Spend more money we don't have to bomb NK? "Stop the spending."
 

OutHouse

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The forces in the region would probably be adequate for the task, plus some additional naval and air support. If North Korea wants to fight like it's 1950 again they'll get obliterated in hours or days not months or years.

they got spanked in the first Korean war, MacArthur was kicking their asses to the yellow river until China got involved then it was our ass who was getting spanked back down the peninsula.

i have no doupt that the forces of south korea and the US would obliterate the NK forces, it just all depends if China stayed out of it.
 

Scotteq

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Not a big deal.

Obama is too much of a pussy to do anything about it.

Just look at his response from the sinking of the SK military ship.
Oh thats right, there was no response.


If the PRK had been foolish enough to attack a US ship, I would opine that President Obama would have made a VERY definite response. But a South Korean ship is not a United States' ship, and therefore the US do not have a sovereign right to retaliate. Please remember: The PRK may well be a little crazy. But they are not stupid.

Without asking or bothering to check beyond my rememberance that the US Navy did, in fact, respond to the area: I am fully confident that President Obama provided the South Korean government with any and all (legal) items they may have requested of us. I'll add that South Korea are perfectly capable of handling their own affairs, as a matter of course.
 
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werepossum

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Not a big deal.

Obama is too much of a pussy to do anything about it.

Just look at his response from the sinking of the SK military ship.
Oh thats right, there was no response.

The USA should have no response to any NK provocation unless and until American forces are injured (that's why they are there, as a tripwire to bring the USA into any renewed Korean war) or unless called in by the South Korean government to honor our treaty obligations. G-d grant this doesn't escalate to that level.

One small bright spot - this should shut up most of the lefties calling for us to bribe the Gargoyle into playing nice, at least for awhile.

I do wonder how long before the left demands that FBI agents be sent into North Korea to investigate and arrest those responsible for these murders. :D
 

fskimospy

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The USA should have no response to any NK provocation unless and until American forces are injured (that's why they are there, as a tripwire to bring the USA into any renewed Korean war) or unless called in by the South Korean government to honor our treaty obligations. G-d grant this doesn't escalate to that level.

One small bright spot - this should shut up most of the lefties calling for us to bribe the Gargoyle into playing nice, at least for awhile.

I do wonder how long before the left demands that FBI agents be sent into North Korea to investigate and arrest those responsible for these murders. :D

How would this change the calculation in any way, shape, or form? The point was never that 'North Korea won't do anything bad, ever', it was that our current posture is preferable to the alternatives, and your alternative was among the worst and most irresponsible of all available ones.

It remains today what it's always been, a simple cost/benefit analysis. We will continue aid (in a general sense, attempting to raise or lower it to manipulate them) for the forseeable future. We'll do this because it's smart policy, and as I mentioned before, foreign policy is done with the head, not the heart. I mean, why else would an incident similar in nature to many in the past, that killed two people be reason to significantly alter our policy? That would be beyond foolish.
 

Genx87

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I think we should finally starve them out. At some point the desperation on the Norths side will cause a revolution or they will simply die off. We cant under any circumstance come to a bargaining table and let this kind of action give them power.
 

fskimospy

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I think we should finally starve them out. At some point the desperation on the Norths side will cause a revolution or they will simply die off. We cant under any circumstance come to a bargaining table and let this kind of action give them power.

We tried that in 2002. They responded by dismantling the prior agreement and using the material to build nuclear weapons.

Why would we want to repeat our mistakes? What does the US gain by this?
 

Scotteq

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I think we should finally starve them out. At some point the desperation on the Norths side will cause a revolution or they will simply die off. We cant under any circumstance come to a bargaining table and let this kind of action give them power.


Well - Understand that you're not laying siege to a local castle. You would be allowing a regime run by some VERY hard line nutballs - who happen to posess a million man army, tanks, aircraft, missiles, and the alliance of the People's Republic of China... In a VERY mountainous location which makes the application of our conventional forces difficult at best - to fall into a position where they just might be desperate enough to *use* that military might.

And please temper that understanding with the fact that the last time we kicked North Korea's asses up to the Yalu river, we got a million Chinese kicking OUR asses right back to the Gulf of Japan.
 
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aigomorla

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On the other hand, U.S. has to worry about NK and SK going into a war becasue China will side with NK and U.S. will have to side with SK. Then Taiwan will have to be involved. What a chaos it will be...

Isnt this why the US is hoping that 2012 will arrive sooner and expire the ban on japan having a military force from the treaty in WW2?

Then we can just feed / sell japan hardware, and let them handle the mess in asia.

:whiste:

Asia is a mess, Korea is a mess, U dont need to see the bombs flying to know that.
Look at the senate in korea (fist fights is common during session)... thats one thing im ashamed about in being korean. :\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pqhnf6XKC8

Yeap. For some bizarre reason Americans are far happier to spend money dismantling other countries than building up our own.

Because our military comes in and sells billions and billions of dollars of military hardware to the new independant nation.

You did know the US Military has the highest GDP in the world PERIOD.
 
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piasabird

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This is an act of war. Technically South Korea and North Korea are both still engaged in an active war. It is time to finish the war and utterly defeat North Korea. However, I am all for South Korea doing whatever it wants. They Vowed to make an even more violent counter attack.

I will just wait and see. As Usual China and Russia are trying to prevent hostilities and wants to blame everything on the South. If they want a war lets just start world war III now.

Dont expect the UN to do diddly squat!
 

Dacalo

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My brother is in south korea, he says that no one talks about the north, and its never on the news. Even when the sub sunk the Souths ship it was barely mentioned.

Uh, that's BS. I have families in SK and my sister told me the news stations were all over the sinking of Cheonan.
 

fskimospy

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This is an act of war. Technically South Korea and North Korea are both still engaged in an active war. It is time to finish the war and utterly defeat North Korea. However, I am all for South Korea doing whatever it wants. They Vowed to make an even more violent counter attack.

I will just wait and see. As Usual China and Russia are trying to prevent hostilities and wants to blame everything on the South. If they want a war lets just start world war III now.

Dont expect the UN to do diddly squat!

You want to start a new Korean war, something that you think will blossom into a third world war. This conflict will cost thousands of lives at a minimum, almost certainly hundreds of thousands of lives, and perhaps millions of lives. The economic costs of such an action are almost certainly billions, possibly trillions of dollars.

Because they shelled an island.

What is wrong with you? Is it stupidity? Autism? Internet tough guy syndrome?
 

JSt0rm

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you guys sound like neocons with your stance on world policing. I thought you were all tea partiers now and just want to wear flannel and stop government spending?
 

Nebor

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I'm sitting next to a Master Sergeant that couldn't be happier about a renewed Korean conflict. "I spent 8 years of my life sitting there waiting for a war to break out. I'm glad they're getting on with this mother fucker already!"
 

Genx87

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We tried that in 2002. They responded by dismantling the prior agreement and using the material to build nuclear weapons.

Why would we want to repeat our mistakes? What does the US gain by this?

They dismantled this in the 90s. Time to put the rabid animal down. This is going on nearly 20 years of appeasement and they have a weapon and are showing off new weapon production facilities. Dont attack them, let them starve out.
 

fskimospy

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I'm sitting next to a Master Sergeant that couldn't be happier about a renewed Korean conflict. "I spent 8 years of my life sitting there waiting for a war to break out. I'm glad they're getting on with this mother fucker already!"

I remember when all the Marines I knew couldn't wait to go over there and 'fuck up Iraq!'

They changed their tune after actually having to go do it.
 

Nebor

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you guys sound like neocons with your stance on world policing. I thought you were all tea partiers now and just want to wear flannel and stop government spending?

Some of us have stayed true to our neocon roots, and never legitimately embraced smaller government, instead supporting a larger, more invasive government that is far more efficient at stomping the crap out of other governments. CNN's constant coverage of tea parties didn't derail my yearly PNAC donation.
 

Genx87

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Well - Understand that you're not laying siege to a local castle. You would be allowing a regime run by some VERY hard line nutballs - who happen to posess a million man army, tanks, aircraft, missiles, and the alliance of the People's Republic of China... In a VERY mountainous location which makes the application of our conventional forces difficult at best - to fall into a position where they just might be desperate enough to *use* that military might.

And please temper that understanding with the fact that the last time we kicked North Korea's asses up to the Yalu river, we got a million Chinese kicking OUR asses right back to the Gulf of Japan.

I actually expect the Chinese to invade from the north and take care of the problem once it escalates. If it doesnt escalate the problem solves itself by regime change from collapse or starvation.