breaking: North Korea just artillery shelled a South Korean island

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halik

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Umm.. he IS the President.. and NK IS attacking an ally of ours. He should probably be engaged in the issue.. Unless there are more important things for him to be concerned with like local police issues?

Unilateral action wooo woo, they worked great for us in the past. Where's my guns at?

Let's go get them, even if the country that got attacked says no. Glen Beck will lead the attack, composed of his followers, on big white unicorn.
 
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EagleKeeper

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Oh yes, I forgot -- Beavis and Butthead (aka Obama and Biden) are in Kokomo today, right?

Was that the plant that rejected jobs in favor of unemployment?

Or another in the local area?

However, this can become a thread derailment and needs to stop
 

Elias824

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My brother is in south korea, he says that no one talks about the north, and its never on the news. Even when the sub sunk the Souths ship it was barely mentioned.
 

ayabe

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Hey, I imagine it's a real issue for him. I'm sure he dreams of what he could accomplish with some of that totalitarianism ala NK. He's backed into a corner where publicly, the majority here in the U.S. expect him to denounce these actions while deep down, he admires the NK regime for the control they have over their people.

He already has control over all of us libs remember he's the messiah. Good thing we have such independent moral and intellectual heavyweights such as yourself lest we'd be toiling under the yoke of socialist party boss. Your prescience knows no bounds.
 

cwjerome

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This begs the question, how many people can North Korea freely kill before it comes to that?

I don't think you must engaged in full-scale warfare that would probably involve the Koreas, China, and the USA over the deaths of two servicemen. A measured response would be most appropriate... we don't need to be killing babies in that country just yet.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Was that the plant that rejected jobs in favor of unemployment?

No, that was in Indy and that plant is set to close next year, I believe.

Back on topic, South Korea is vowing "enormous retaliation" if the North fires again. They won't fire, I'm sure, but the article on MSNBC said "dozens" of artillery shells hit. This wasn't just NK firing a couple of shots across the bow.
 
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Binarycow

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NK is acting like a misbehaving child, the only problem is we can no longer claim to be the responsible adult so others will trust us to deal with this child. SK has pretty much to wait for the Dear Leader of NK to kick the bucket and hope that his spawn won't be as insane as he has been.
 

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Both sides made their statement.

Nk showed SK that SK could not perform military activites in disputed waters without consequences.

SK showed that they are willing to up the ante slightly in response.
SK used much more artiliary and stood up planes (unsure if used in any attacks - doubt it) SK was targeted at the NK weapon sites vs civilian sites.
 
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EagleKeeper

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NK is acting like a misbehaving child, the only problem is we can no longer claim to be the responsible adult so others will trust us to deal with this child. SK has pretty much to wait for the Dear Leader of NK to kick the bucket and hope that his spawn won't be as insane as he has been.
Dear Leader followed in his father's foot steps. I suspect that this offspring will want to keep on the lifestyle that he could be accustomed to. Even though he was educated oversees so he may have a broader view of the rest of the world.
 
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No one's saying Obama isn't the President and he shouldn't be engaged. I'm saying your post is a mindless parroting of a right-wing talking point, not any substantive point.

Just as IGBT's post was a mindless parroting of another right-wing talking point, his about Madeline Albright.

The issue isn't whether the person is current - that doesn't matter when the post is the equivalent of "Obama has big ears". Coming up next: you mention "teleprompter".

Well all your posts are mindless parroting of left wing talking points and typical left wing tactics of blame the right wingers and offer no actual input to the situation.

The teleprompter get's brought up because liberals and Obama worshipers all held him in high reverence and proclaimed his was the greatest orator. It was proven that he couldn't complete a damn sentance if his teleprompter broke.
Keep trying Craig. Your Looser in Cheif will always be that. Even people like Jay Leno that thought Obama was hot shit are slamming him with jokes about being a 1 term-er.
Get used to saying Former President Obama.

As far as the subject of the OP. SK is in a pickle. Fight back and NK wipes out Seoul, do nothing and validate to NK that it's ok to attack and kill your people.
I'm all for SK borrowing some tactical nukes and taking out all the known NK artellery pieces within range of Seoul.
 

Scotteq

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As far as the subject of the OP. SK is in a pickle. Fight back and NK wipes out Seoul, do nothing and validate to NK that it's ok to attack and kill your people.
I'm all for SK borrowing some tactical nukes and taking out all the known NK artellery pieces within range of Seoul.

I'll point out that we're in a bit of a pickle on this too: China is North Korea's partner and protector. China is also our largest trading partner and in recent years is the largest buyer of US National Debt. Not an easy thing to run over and kick little brother's ass when big brother has you by the Short~And~Curlies. Not to mention who we ended up fighting the *last* time we decided to go play in the snow in PRK.

I'm betting the phone lines between DC and Beijing have been rather busy all day.
 
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PJABBER

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Though it is like reading leaves, there is good chance that this attack is directly related to the transition of power going on in NK right now. Kim Jong-un, under Daddy Kim's watchful eye, is likely deliberately using this attack in order to mobilize the military and consolidate his power.

The humanitarian food aid that had been sent to NK has ended except for whatever is coming from China, and that may now be suspended, even if just temporarily. While it was ostensibly to be used to feed a starving civilian population, it was in fact used to keep the NK military fed. They are now going to be hard pressed to do that. The civilian population in NK will likely die even faster now.

The current government in SK is more hard line than it has been, but you can't be really considered hard line unless you do more than chatter. Expect some additional retaliation.

Reading the international reaction, it is notable that Japan, also subject to North Korean provocations, is calling for retaliatory strikes. For their own security they need to make sure that NK is contained.

The real issue is the state of instability. As the various militaries respond - NK, SK, UN, US, Japan, China - you get a greater chance for escalation though it is yet unlikely that this signals the start of another full scale Korean conflagration.
 
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OutHouse

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Point is the US cant afford two wars in the ME, not to mention a third in the Pacific.

We're already bankrupt. It won't take much more to drive the last nail in our economic coffin.

i guarantee you that if the Korea's started an active war again, every troop, tank, jet, hummer, warship in the ME would be immediately shipped to south Korea.
 

Jaskalas

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My brother is in south korea, he says that no one talks about the north, and its never on the news. Even when the sub sunk the Souths ship it was barely mentioned.

No one talks about the ticking nuclear time bomb? That's one way to attempt to calm the public over it, and to avoid a public outcry over South Koreans dying.

Baghdad Bob doesn't see dead Koreans or a burning island.
 

Schadenfroh

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China is also our largest trading partner
Canada is America's largest trading partner.

Back on topic, South Korea is vowing "enormous retaliation" if the North fires again. They won't fire, I'm sure, but the article on MSNBC said "dozens" of artillery shells hit. This wasn't just NK firing a couple of shots across the bow.

You are correct, they will not fire again. They will wait a few more months and kill a few more South Koreans in another way.

Repeat until the North Korean government finally collapses.
I think we should call up china, as they are getting pissed at NK as well, and tell them you get the top 1/3 and SK get the bottom 2/3 of NK and lets just get this done.
China does not want millions of impoverished, brainwashed North Korean refugees to feed. They want a buffer between them and a U.S. ally. But, at some point their buffer becomes more trouble than they are worth. In the end, I think they would rather the South Koreans deal with the humanitarian crisis.
 

K1052

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i guarantee you that if the Korea's started an active war again, every troop, tank, jet, hummer, warship in the ME would be immediately shipped to south Korea.

The forces in the region would probably be adequate for the task, plus some additional naval and air support. If North Korea wants to fight like it's 1950 again they'll get obliterated in hours or days not months or years.
 

DesiPower

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I dont understand what China gets from this? their entire export and the country's progress depends on world trade, isnt peace good for them? wont war harm their economy? Or maybe they are counting on the world being too sissy to do anything... their "whatcha gonna do about it bitch" attitude has been pretty successful till now, they have all major nations by their balls...
 

Patranus

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Not a big deal.

Obama is too much of a pussy to do anything about it.

Just look at his response from the sinking of the SK military ship.
Oh thats right, there was no response.
 

WelshBloke

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Not a big deal.

Obama is too much of a pussy to do anything about it.

Just look at his response from the sinking of the SK military ship.
Oh thats right, there was no response.


I didn't realise Obama was president of SK as well :hmm:.