breaking: North Korea just artillery shelled a South Korean island

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Pocatello

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I see a lot of people are saying Seoul is going to be destroyed by N. Korean artillery. I think the city will be heavily damaged, but if the N. Korean wants to take out the S. Korean military, destroying skyscrapers isn't going to do it. N. Korea needs to take out troop positions, ammo depots, airfields, etc. Not easy to do by any means, and wasting your ammo on non-military targets mean the enemy can strike back with a vengeance. During WWII, the German Luftwaffe had the RAF on the rope by attacking airfields and destroying aircrafts, but Hitler decided to bomb London instead, which gave the RAF time to rebuild and its pilots time to rest.
 

WelshBloke

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I see a lot of people are saying Seoul is going to be destroyed by N. Korean artillery. I think the city will be heavily damaged, but if the N. Korean wants to take out the S. Korean military, destroying skyscrapers isn't going to do it. N. Korea needs to take out troop positions, ammo depots, airfields, etc. Not easy to do by any means, and wasting your ammo on non-military targets mean the enemy can strike back with a vengeance. During WWII, the German Luftwaffe had the RAF on the rope by attacking airfields and destroying aircrafts, but Hitler decided to bomb London instead, which gave the RAF time to rebuild and its pilots time to rest.

  1. germany was probably the most powerful nation by milatary might
  2. airfirld are hard to find in the dark before we had gps
 

Pocatello

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  1. germany was probably the most powerful nation by milatary might
  2. airfirld are hard to find in the dark before we had gps

Today airfields are even harder to destroy with regular artillery shells, and they can be repaired rapidly. During the Kosovo campaign, the Serbians were really good at repairing damaged runways after NATO bombings.
 

WelshBloke

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Today airfields are even harder to destroy with regular artillery shells, and they can be repaired rapidly. During the Kosovo campaign, the Serbians were really good at repairing damaged runways after NATO bombings.

What?

youre saying they move the air fields around?

Sneaky fuckers
 

Darwin333

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These are the same armchair generals who want TSA agents to refuse to perform scans and pat-downs. It's so easy when you're playing with other peoples lives and livelihoods.

Nope.

Most of us think that SK should make the call and we should back their play, NOT the other way around.
 

manimal

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If you look at recent history SK is basically waiting for NK to implode or starve their people into revolt...sadly too many people are dying over there and it gets worse every day..
 

wirednuts

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would someone tell the koreans and the talibans that if they stop fighting i might be able to afford an xbox kinect?
 

Darwin333

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The threat of North Korea isn't going away and is only growing stronger and bolder with each year. The North Koreans themselves have visions of eventually taking over South Korea. That is the goal they've been brainwashed to believe in as nation. Eventually they'll have the means and capability to accomplish that goal and then carnage of that war will pale in comparison to what would happen if we were to topple North Korea in short foreseeable future before they've solidified and mastered their nuclear weapons capabilities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XsWb_ObOpM&feature=related

I say we let the people of SK make the call. It is kind of their nuts on the table.
 
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Anyone who thinks this war will be easy..

China warns America, Go Home!
Of course China doesn't want us in the area and war would not be easy for either side. Is China really willing to go to war over our presence though or are they just posturing? Is it really just a bluff that we need to call to have China tell NK to back off?

It's a chess game right now with potentially dangerous consequences. It will be interesting to how D.C. responds.
 

AznAnarchy99

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I see a lot of people are saying Seoul is going to be destroyed by N. Korean artillery. I think the city will be heavily damaged, but if the N. Korean wants to take out the S. Korean military, destroying skyscrapers isn't going to do it. N. Korea needs to take out troop positions, ammo depots, airfields, etc. Not easy to do by any means, and wasting your ammo on non-military targets mean the enemy can strike back with a vengeance. During WWII, the German Luftwaffe had the RAF on the rope by attacking airfields and destroying aircrafts, but Hitler decided to bomb London instead, which gave the RAF time to rebuild and its pilots time to rest.

The purpose of attacking Seoul is not for military victory, but a morale attack. Imagine if we go to war and the first city they hit is Washington DC, completely bombarding and destroying everything we know there. Our government wont stop because our bases are around the world and there are safe places for our officials to go but the sight of the White House on fire on live TV wont be good...
 

Chaotic42

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What?

youre saying they move the air fields around?

Sneaky fuckers

I think he's saying that many runways are hardened against attack, hence the development of weapons like the Durandal. Also, it's easier to repair runways quickly than it used to be.

At least that's what I got out of it.
 
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Pocatello

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The purpose of attacking Seoul is not for military victory, but a morale attack. Imagine if we go to war and the first city they hit is Washington DC, completely bombarding and destroying everything we know there. Our government wont stop because our bases are around the world and there are safe places for our officials to go but the sight of the White House on fire on live TV wont be good...

It will just motivate the S. Korean to fight harder and be more ruthless. The best way to unify a country against you is to hit civilian targets. The British people didn't waive a white flag to Hitler after London was bombed. The Russians didn't surrender after Stalingrad was leveled. The Germans didn't surrender after we firebombed their cities days and nights. I would feel sorry for any country who would attacked Washington D.C.
 

Jhhnn

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I say we let the people of SK make the call. It is kind of their nuts on the table.

There you go, trying to make sense. It's not like they'll capitulate to the north under any circumstances, certainly not with US backing.

Nor is it likely that DPRK forces will jump up out of their holes and charge across the DMZ, because they'd be annihilated rather quickly out in the open. We characterize them as crazy, but they're not stupid. ROK forces are vastly superior to their own in every aspect other than sheer numbers, and they know it. Defense in depth. Command and control. Logistics. Fuel. Training. Hardware of all kinds. All weather airforce. US satellite recon and backup if required.

I also think it's clear that the Chinese will help the DPRK defend themselves, but it's not likely that they'd support DPRK aggression on a massive scale.
 

KlokWyze

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It will just motivate the S. Korean to fight harder and be more ruthless. The best way to unify a country against you is to hit civilian targets. The British people didn't waive a white flag to Hitler after London was bombed. The Russians didn't surrender after Stalingrad was leveled. The Germans didn't surrender after we firebombed their cities days and nights. I would feel sorry for any country who would attacked Washington D.C.

Yes. This is very obvious. Pretty funny that people on here are posting that's good from a military perspective to attack civlian targets. All this does is enrage and unite people against you. Very odd style of tactics.... :|
 

manimal

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Yes. This is very obvious. Pretty funny that people on here are posting that's good from a military perspective to attack civlian targets. All this does is enrage and unite people against you. Very odd style of tactics.... :|

Like the fire bombing of Dresden or the bombing of London?


very odd indeed...
 

Zorkorist

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Yes. This is very obvious. Pretty funny that people on here are posting that's good from a military perspective to attack civlian targets. All this does is enrage and unite people against you. Very odd style of tactics.... :|
People also forget that a regime is terrorizing their own people, and threatening other people.

Their people can't even become enraged because they will die at the hands of their own Government.

-John
 

ThatsABigOne

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Even if NK just does something against the international rules, SK is still being sympathetic to their actions. What is going on here? Even SK still gives aid to their enemy...

Even if this was going to lead into a war, in my opinion, the war is going to be extremely short as the US has a navy and could launch attacks practically anywhere they want.

But everything is at a stand still, all because of China.
 

sunzt

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Even if NK just does something against the international rules, SK is still being sympathetic to their actions. What is going on here? Even SK still gives aid to their enemy...

You should read up on their history and how their people, families, brothers, sisters, sons, parents got split up by some arbitrary imaginary line by westerners.

But everything is at a stand still, all because of China.

That is a good thing. War is in no one's interest right now.
 

Darwin333

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Even if NK just does something against the international rules, SK is still being sympathetic to their actions. What is going on here? Even SK still gives aid to their enemy...

Even if this was going to lead into a war, in my opinion, the war is going to be extremely short as the US has a navy and could launch attacks practically anywhere they want.

But everything is at a stand still, all because of China.

Or maybe SK doesn't want Seoul bombed to hell before we and SK bomb NK to hell?

Something tells me you aren't posting from Seoul.

China and the US will not get into a shooting war over a shitty country like NK but if my family and I were in the cross-hairs in Seoul, I probably wouldn't want to escalate things right now either.