Breaking news: Josh Powell kills himself and his kids

IronWing

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Terrible. Not being a smartass here: who was Josh Powell other than a guy who just murdered his kids?

Edit: thanks for updating your post.
 

skyking

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Sorry, I linked the backstory above. His wife 'disappeared' when he took his kids camping in the winter in crappy weather in Utah.
It has been a very strange case. He and his kids moved up to the area from Utah, lived with his folks till his father was arrested on child pornography charges. Court takes kids.
 
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monovillage

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I hadn't thought about Sky King and Songbird in decades. Sorry such a tragedy being posted had to be what reminded me. So many people never get tried because there just isn't enough evidence for a solid case. Another shame.
 

JSt0rm

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wow so the incompetent social worker let him take the kids into the house?

Kill her.
 

davmat787

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wow so the incompetent social worker let him take the kids into the house?

Kill her.

I think that was part of the arrangement with the court, that he could see his kids with supervised visits, which is why the social worker was there. Apparently she smelt gas outside. Just heard about this on the news, will try and find something online.

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The caseworker who brought Powell's young sons to his home was a provider under contract to the state Department of Social and Health Services.

"We were relieved to learn that the caseworker was not physically injured but understand that she is suffering from grave emotional trauma as a result of the horrific event," DSHS officials said in a statement. "The sadness of such a thing touches everyone involved with these children."

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/...-operation-at-Powell-residence-138746774.html
 
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skyking

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bullcrap. he had a home visitation. She brings the kids, he answers the door and pushes her back out, closes and locks the door and BOOM!
She's not a linebacker or superwoman, just some lady. She's not going to overpower him and control the kids and save the day. Get real.
 

PottedMeat

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bullcrap. he had a home visitation. She brings the kids, he answers the door and pushes her back out, closes and locks the door and BOOM!
She's not a linebacker or superwoman, just some lady. She's not going to overpower him and control the kids and save the day. Get real.

yeah there's not really anything she can do. i'd imagine the kids rush ahead of her to see their dad , she smells gas, he keeps her out.
 

davmat787

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yeah there's not really anything she can do. i'd imagine the kids rush ahead of her to see their dad , she smells gas, he keeps her out.

I am curious why he even bothered to keep her out? I wonder what the time lapse was between the kids entering the house, and the explosion. I assume there would not have been enough time for her to do anything even if she had entered the home. Maybe he had to wait another minute or so for the gas to build in concentration. D:
 

skyking

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yeah there's not really anything she can do. i'd imagine the kids rush ahead of her to see their dad , she smells gas, he keeps her out.
I'd hate to be her. I can't imagine, she was just riding out with those kids and talking to them, and to witness that.
She smelled the gas and had enough time to call for help but that was about it.
 

davmat787

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I'd hate to be her. I can't imagine, she was just riding out with those kids and talking to them, and to witness that.
She smelled the gas and had enough time to call for help but that was about it.

And I am sure many (glares towards JStorm's direction D: ) will blame her when in fact she was just doing her job, per court orders no less.
 

JSt0rm

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And I am sure many (glares towards JStorm's direction D: ) will blame her when in fact she was just doing her job, per court orders no less.

Well i sure as shit wouldnt let some dude grab the kids and pull them into a house without me if my job was to be there with them.

Glares back :colbert:
 

skyking

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And I am sure many (glares towards JStorm's direction D: ) will blame her when in fact she was just doing her job, per court orders no less.
from my first link:
"Graham Deputy Fire Chief Gary Franz said the explosion occurred moments after a Child Protective Services worker brought the two boys to the home for a supervised visit.

He said Powell let the boys in the house, then blocked the social worker from entering. The social worker called her supervisors to report that she could smell gas, and the home exploded."
 

skyking

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Well i sure as shit wouldnt let some dude grab the kids and pull them into a house without me if my job was to be there with them.

Glares back :colbert:
he let them in and blocked the woman out. They were supposed to go in. They are his kids, they WANT to go in.
 

halik

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I don't have the slightest idea who that is, so I'm gonna guess some nancy grace 24-7 witchhunt for a missing white chick? Glad I don't have cable.
 

davmat787

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Well i sure as shit wouldnt let some dude grab the kids and pull them into a house without me if my job was to be there with them.

Glares back :colbert:

I am sure most of us would have done something, but we were not there. Some lady who is a social services caseworker was there instead. You need to project from her position, not yours. Sounds like she did everything within her power, the guy probably had the door locked before she could even react, he had the advantage of surprise after all.

This is just one of those messed up situations. :(
 

JSt0rm

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I am sure most of us would have done something, but we were not there. Some lady who is a social services caseworker was there instead. You need to project from her position, not yours. Sounds like she did everything within her power, the guy probably had the door locked before she could even react, he had the advantage of surprise after all.

This is just one of those messed up situations. :(

I am critical because she is a social services case worker. She knew the situation was odd in the first place.
 

skyking

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I don't have the slightest idea who that is, so I'm gonna guess some nancy grace 24-7 witchhunt for a missing white chick? Glad I don't have cable.
Thanks for posting the Nancy Grace equivalent for a meaningful post. You did not know what it was about but you just had to post something. :p
 

monovillage

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as opposed to those who are tried and later found to be innocent....

It was a pretty ugly case irrc. It seems to me that often District Attorneys will only bring slam dunk cases to trial, usually hoping for a plea bargain. I thought the D.A. had probable cause to bring this case to a Grand Jury and go from there, he didn't. Now we have 2 dead kids, a dead father and a still missing mother.
 

monovillage

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I am critical because she is a social services case worker. She knew the situation was odd in the first place.

The social worker should have drawn her Colt 1911, kicked in the door and grabbed the kids slinging them out the door as she tucked and rolled and avoided the blast damage. She should also have been wearing a short black leather miniskirt and had "Live Free or Die!" tattooed on her neck. Then she could have put her arms around the kids shoulders and walked away into the Hollywood sunset.

In the real world the poor woman will probably grieve for those kids for the rest of her life.
 

davmat787

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I am critical because she is a social services case worker. She knew the situation was odd in the first place.

Even so, is it her place to decide against letting the children visit? Or was the decision already made by the courts and she was simply abiding by the court decree and thus doing her job? She is not to blame in this situation, at least given the currently known facts, and I can't imagine any new facts that would shift the blame to her. Can you?

What do you think she should have done differently, that was within her rights and power? Even outside those rights and power? I am sincerely trying to understand why you want to place blame on her, and have not even mentioned the judge who ordered that he be given visitation rights, albeit "supervised".
 

cybrsage

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The social worker should have drawn her Colt 1911, kicked in the door and grabbed the kids slinging them out the door as she tucked and rolled and avoided the blast damage. She should also have been wearing a short black leather miniskirt and had "Live Free or Die!" tattooed on her neck. Then she could have put her arms around the kids shoulders and walked away into the Hollywood sunset.

In the real world the poor woman will probably grieve for those kids for the rest of her life.

As a social worker, she is requird to have Obama 2012 tatooed on her neck instead. You got the rest right, though. ;)