BREAKING NEWS!!!--- Israel to bar UN fact-finding team from entering

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I totally agree on this decision by Israel!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-bar-un-fact-finding-team-entering-130937612.html

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel cut working relations with the United Nations Human Rights Council on Monday and will bar a U.N. team from entering Israel or the West Bank for a planned investigation of Jewish settlements, the Foreign Ministry said.

Israel accuses the council of having a pronounced anti-Israel bias because of what it says is its disproportionate focus on Israeli policy toward the Palestinians.

Israeli leaders have been in an uproar over the council's adoption of a resolution last week condemning Jewish settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem and its decision to send a fact-finding mission to investigate.

On Monday, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman announced Israel was severing working ties with the council.

"It means that we're not going to work with them. We're not going to let them carry out any kind of mission for the Human Rights Council, including this probe," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor.


Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad Malki said he was not surprised by the Israeli move.

"Israel never cooperated with all fact finding missions that were sent and established by the U.N. to investigate the Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians," he said after meeting his Danish counterpart in Copenhagen.

Much of the international community sees settlement construction on occupied lands the Palestinians seek for a future state as a major impediment to peacemaking, and has pressured Israel to freeze it.

Israel has moved 500,000 Israelis to the West Bank and east Jerusalem since capturing the areas, along with Gaza, in the 1967 Mideast war. Israel withdrew soldiers and settlers from Gaza in 2005, though it still controls access by air, sea and land, except for a crossing between Gaza and Egypt.

The Palestinians say continued settlement expansion pre-empts the outcome of negotiations. --Just more reasons why the Palestinians don`t want peace...

Israel, which refuses to halt construction, says the fate of settlements and the related issue of the final borders of a Jewish and a Palestinian state must be determined through negotiations, not demands.

Since its creation in 2006, the Geneva-based council has focused heavily on alleged abuses by Israel. After the United States joined in 2009, the council has increasingly addressed human rights problems in other countries. Last year, it created a special investigator for Iran, held emergency meetings on Libya and Syria and dispatched teams of experts to probe abuses in those countries.

On the same day it called for an investigation of the settlements, the council approved four other resolutions critical of Israel.--- duh....

The council will likely keep passing resolutions on Israel while the occupation of Palestinian land continues, its president, Uruguayan diplomat Laura Dupuy Lasserre, said last week.--YEP!! He admitted to having an agenda against Israel and being pro-Palestinians!!

Israel has had uneasy relations with the U.N. for decades, in large part because of the pro-Palestinian majority in the General Assembly, though the United States has used its veto power multiple times to block anti-Israel resolutions in the Security Council. Israel halted its marginal funding to UNESCO in the fall after the U.N. cultural agency recognized Palestine as a member.

Relations with the U.N. were especially acrimonious over a U.N.-commissioned report by South African jurist Richard Goldstone on Israel's military offensive in Gaza three years ago, aimed at stopping daily rocket attacks. Israel refused to cooperate with Goldstone's team, though it didn't bar it from entering.
 

Infohawk

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We need a league of democratic nations. A body with members like Saudi Arabia and China have no business really has no business questioning human rights violations in other countries.
 

Zebo

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Good for Israel. Might as well send the Klan instead of UNHRC, same thing.
 

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So do you feel that Iran should take the same stance when it comes to UN inspectors?

You mean for the development of nuclear weapons, or for human rights abuses? They are entirely different issues and are handled by different UN agencies.
 

Zebo

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We need a league of democratic nations. A body with members like Saudi Arabia and China have no business really has no business questioning human rights violations in other countries.

It's worse than that. While these countries have no human rights some of them in particular had/have culling of jews and a deep hatred.
 

CanOWorms

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We need a league of democratic nations. A body with members like Saudi Arabia and China have no business really has no business questioning human rights violations in other countries.

You'll have to be more narrow than that. After all, democratic (or quasi-democratic) countries like Italy and Switzerland would fit your list, but they are among the biggest offenders of human rights.
 

cubby1223

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So do you feel that Iran should take the same stance when it comes to UN inspectors?

Nope.

Iran is being targeted for nuclear inspections because Iran is developing nuclear technologies while other countries are not.


So the question to you then is, why do you believe Israel is being targeted for human rights violations instead of other countries?
 
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fskimospy

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Would you cooperate with an investigation whose results are pre-ordained? Or are you seriously arguing that the investigation will be handled objectively?

You know as well as I do that Israel is recognized worldwide as a serial violator of human rights, the Geneva Conventions, the ICCPR, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and so on and so forth. No one, not even the United States, disputes the illegality of their settlement activities. In fact the United States regularly joins in the universal condemnation of settlement activity. Why are you trying to defend their outrageous behavior?

The investigation will take place under the mantle of OHCHR and the investigator is appointed by Uruguay. Do you think Uruguay has some axe to grind with Israel that will make it appoint someone biased and unfair? Why would they bother anyway? Everyone knows they will find gross violations of treaty obligations and human rights, it's not a secret.

If this were anyone but Israel flipping out because a human rights body was attempting to take them to task for universally agreed upon violations of human rights, they wouldn't have a single defender. I simply do not understand why it is so hard to recognize that a country which has many admirable qualities also in this case has a a few absolutely despicable ones.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Nope.

Iran is being targeted for nuclear inspections because Iran is developing nuclear technologies while other countries are not.


So the question to you then is, why do you believe Israel is being targeted for human rights violations instead of other countries?

Don't really give a rat's ass. If you want other countries to accept inspectors within their borders you shouldn't block inspectors.
 

cubby1223

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Try forming an argument that actually covers the reasons why Israel states they feel unfairly targeted.

If you can come up with an argument that reasons why Israel deserves 43% of the Human Rights Council's attention, to Syria's 3% and Iran's 1%, then I will be open to listening to your thoughts. Until then, your opinion is not worth the bandwidth it took to deliver to my computer.
 

fskimospy

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Try forming an argument that actually covers the reasons why Israel states they feel unfairly targeted.

If you can come up with an argument that reasons why Israel deserves 43% of the Human Rights Council's attention, to Syria's 3% and Iran's 1%, then I will be open to listening to your thoughts. Until then, your opinion is not worth the bandwidth it took to deliver to my computer.

I was unaware that "but other people do it too" was a valid argument against an investigation of widespread human rights violations taking place in your territory. Can you perhaps point me to the treaty provision that makes such a distinction?

That excuse didn't fly in 3rd grade, it most certainly doesn't fly here. A really easy way to cut down on the number of human rights council resolutions coming their way would of course be to... you know... violate fewer human rights. Arguing that the HRC should investigate Iran more does absolutely nothing to absolve Israel of its guilt.

Instead of deflecting, maybe you can explain how Israel's actions aren't human rights violations. THAT would be a good argument against the HRC's action. Then again, you can't do that, which is why you will try and deflect the argument. (inexplicably I might add, why the attachment to a foreign power?)
 

cubby1223

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Don't really give a rat's ass. If you want other countries to accept inspectors within their borders you shouldn't block inspectors.

I asked you a simple question - why do you believe Israel is being targeted with a high volume of attention of the Human Rights Council?

The answer to this question of mine, is the answer to the question you asked.

So, I guess the follow-up question is, why did you ask a question if you don't give a rat's ass about having your question answered?
 

cubby1223

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I was unaware that "but other people do it too" was a valid argument against an investigation of widespread human rights violations taking place in your territory. Can you perhaps point me to the treaty provision that makes such a distinction?

That excuse didn't fly in 3rd grade, it most certainly doesn't fly here. A really easy way to cut down on the number of human rights council resolutions coming their way would of course be to... you know... violate fewer human rights. Arguing that the HRC should investigate Iran more does absolutely nothing to absolve Israel of its guilt.

Instead of deflecting, maybe you can explain how Israel's actions aren't human rights violations. THAT would be a good argument against the HRC's action. Then again, you can't do that, which is why you will try and deflect the argument. (inexplicably I might add, why the attachment to a foreign power?)

I am asking for your personal opinion. Do you believe Israel deserves the volume of attention they are receiving?

If you believe they deserve the high volume of attention they are receiving, then simply answer "yes" and we can move forward. But there really is no point going into any further discussion with you until you offer up your personal opinion on a very simple question.

My response to that question is "no".
 

fskimospy

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I am asking for your personal opinion. Do you believe Israel deserves the volume of attention they are receiving?

If you believe they deserve the high volume of attention they are receiving, then simply answer "yes" and we can move forward. But there really is no point going into any further discussion with you until you offer up your personal opinion on a very simple question.

My response to that question is "no".

That question is entirely irrelevant. They are either committing violations that should be investigated or they are not. How much someone else is being investigated means exactly shit as to the merits behind this.

If they want to whine about being picked on that's fine, the easy way to stop it is to stop being a serial human rights violator. I have no more sympathy for them on this than I do for any other country who systematically violates human rights.
 

Londo_Jowo

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I asked you a simple question - why do you believe Israel is being targeted with a high volume of attention of the Human Rights Council?

The answer to this question of mine, is the answer to the question you asked.

So, I guess the follow-up question is, why did you ask a question if you don't give a rat's ass about having your question answered?

Couldn't have nothing to do with the building of houses on occupied lands or destroying houses in Palestinian territories?
 

cubby1223

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eskimospy, you are dealing with a body that cannot physically deal with everything that goes on in the world. They ration their attention on the areas they feel are most important to fix.

The question absolutely becomes, do you believe what goes on in Israel is more important than what goes on in Syria or Iran? It's your opinion, you can answer this however you choose to.
 

fskimospy

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eskimospy, you are dealing with a body that cannot physically deal with everything that goes on in the world. They ration their attention on the areas they feel are most important to fix.

The question absolutely becomes, do you believe what goes on in Israel is more important than what goes on in Syria or Iran? It's your opinion, you can answer this however you choose to.

Why would the HRC's allocation of its resources be relevant as to the presence or absence of human rights violations in Israeli controlled territory?
 

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eskimospy, you are dealing with a body that cannot physically deal with everything that goes on in the world. They ration their attention on the areas they feel are most important to fix.

The question absolutely becomes, do you believe what goes on in Israel is more important than what goes on in Syria or Iran? It's your opinion, you can answer this however you choose to.

Concerning Syria, dont beleive the mass media. All I can say is why do you think no one dares mess with Syria? China and Russia both of interests there and they already warned not to f with that territory.
And those "rebels" in syria are not fighting for "Democracy" and they are not so innocent.
 

JEDIYoda

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This thread is not about Iran...Nuclear facilities or the IAEA inspecting such facilities nor is it about Israel supposed nuclear weapons....

Please keep this thread on topic......
It is about Israel`s refusal to allow UN Human Rights inspectors into the country.......
It is about israel refusal and it is about the Commision itself.....


Iran`s refusal to allow the IAEA into inspect is another topic entirely that has nothing at all to do with this thread!!

Thank You!!