Breaking: Mississippi asks SCOTUS to overturn ROE

[woolfe9998]

Exactly what the subject line says.

Mississippi's attorney general told the Supreme Court on Thursday that Roe v. Wade was "egregiously wrong" and should be overturned as she urged the justices to allow a controversial law that bars most abortions after 15 weeks to go into effect.

Mississippi asks US Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade

Mississippi's attorney general told the Supreme Court on Thursday that Roe v. Wade was "egregiously wrong" and should be overturned as she urged the justices to allow a controversial law that bars most abortions after 15 weeks to go into effect.

www.cnn.com

So this might be it for Roe. I'm actually not 100% sure a majority will go along. Barrett and Roberts may side with the libs. We'll see.

 

[nakedfrog]

Boof is on record as saying it's settled law, surely he's got more integ...

LOL, sorry, no, I couldn't even bring myself to finish typing it.

 

[kage69]

The rabid religulous right has been invested in this war against women for too long for them not to push it through. I don't see them passing on this chance to put those sluts in their place.

Boof and Barret both must be positively moist with anticipation.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Vic]

I don't follow how affording women their 14a protections could be "egregiously wrong," but the AG is certainly entitled to political grandstanding.

 

[UNCjigga]

Kinda figures it would be the least educated state.

Can someone point out where in the Constitution we defined rights for unborn people? When did we start counting them in the census??

 

[woolfe9998]

What's really ironic about this is that if SCOTUS does in fact overturn Roe, it will be because of justices appointed by a man who quite honestly has no opinion on the subject of abortion. Another way of putting it is, Trump couldn't care less.

One of the Woodward books on Trump says that when Trump first met with Bannon to talk about running for POTUS, Trump assumed it would be OK for him to run as pro-choice, which had been his public position for years. But Bannon told him no way in hell could he win a republican primary being pro-choice. Trump didn't even know that pro-life was the default stance of the republican party until Bannon told him so.

This is the person whose actions may ultimately lead to overturning Roe.

 

[Sunburn74]

Once Roe falls, you'll pretty much see the republican female vote go to like zero. It'll be the greatest gift the GOP could give to the democratic party in the last 10 years. There's a phrase that says sometimes the threat is stronger than the execution. I think it strongly applies to the GOPs position on abortion and I'm not really sure they want Roe to fall. We'll see what happens...

 

[MrSquished]

Once Roe falls, you'll pretty much see the republican female vote go to like zero. It'll be the greatest gift the GOP could give to the democratic party in the last 10 years. There's a phrase that says sometimes the threat is stronger than the execution. I think it strongly applies to the GOPs position on abortion and I'm not really sure they want Roe to fall. We'll see what happens...

You give GOP women wayyyy too much credit, and we aren't just talking about the Evangelical cult rapture loons. I think they might lose a tiny bit of female GQP voters but not a lot.

 

[UNCjigga]

What's really ironic about this is that if SCOTUS does in fact overturn Roe, it will be because of justices appointed by a man who quite honestly has no opinion on the subject of abortion. Another way of putting it is, Trump couldn't care less.

One of the Woodward books on Trump says that when Trump first met with Bannon to talk about running for POTUS, Trump assumed it would be OK for him to run as pro-choice, which had been his public position for years. But Bannon told him no way in hell could he win a republican primary being pro-choice. Trump didn't even know that pro-life was the default stance of the republican party until Bannon told him so.

This is the person whose actions may ultimately lead to overturning Roe.

Pretty sure Trump’s paid for an abortion before—either after one of his many dalliances, or after Ivanka “picked up a bug” in Ibiza.

 

[woolfe9998]

Agree that they will not lose that many female voters.

Hey, maybe all the evangelicals will be so excited they'll have multiple celebrations throughout the country, each of which will become a super spreader event and since they're all unmasked and unvaccinated...

Just reaching to find a silver lining to this.

 

[MrSquished]

I'd like to overturn Mississippi's admission into the Union. Can we check that on its merits?

 

[Greenman]

Kinda figures it would be the least educated state.

Can someone point out where in the Constitution we defined rights for unborn people? When did we start counting them in the census??

I guess it all depends on when a fetus becomes a person. I don't know the answer to that, but I've read arguments that it happens at conception and all the way up to one year old. The two outer limits seem just a tad extreme to me.

 

[woolfe9998]

I guess it all depends on when a fetus becomes a person. I don't know the answer to that, but I've read arguments that it happens at conception and all the way up to one year old. The two outer limits seem just a tad extreme to me.

They aren't recorded by the census until they are born. If they are persons, why aren't they counted in the census? Oh right, because they aren't citizens. Only those naturally BORN here are citizens.

 

[MrSquished]

I guess it all depends on when a fetus becomes a person. I don't know the answer to that, but I've read arguments that it happens at conception and all the way up to one year old. The two outer limits seem just a tad extreme to me.

Whereas a huge part of the GQP argues a person is at conception, pray tell, who from the other side is arguing a person becomes a person 3 months after they are born?

Sounds like yet another bullshit both sideser argument. As usual.

The vast vast majority of pro-choice folks want abortion to be legal up to around 3-4 months by choice, and then after in case of a health issue that arises which could be dangerous for the mother, for example. The vast majority of anti-choice folks want abortion to be either completely illegal, or illegal at a point like 5-6 weeks when most women are just realizing they might be pregnant at all, which is effectively, well, we know what that means effectively.

 

[Greenman]

They aren't recorded by the census until they are born. If they are persons, why aren't they counted in the census?

Beats me. I did read about a fellow who shot a pregnant woman and was charged with two counts of murder. I'd google that to see if it's happened more than once, but I don't want "shooting babies" to ever turn up as one of my web searches.

 

[Fenixgoon]

even if RvW were overturned, it would then fall to the states, correct?

in which case...once again, conservative policies would come home to roost in conservative states. and the average person suffers as a consequence, as opposed to the politicians pushing these things in the first place.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Won’t be overturned now. Won’t ever be overturned. And it shouldn’t be overturned no matter how you feel about fetuses/unborn babies and women’s rights.
Stupid people in stupid state do something stupid on national scale - big surprise.

 

[sportage]

Yeah, most likely won’t pass, but this will be a huge call to duty for the trumpies. Those religious delusionals who blindly follow their messiah Trump. This could stir them up enough to get Donald Trump elected come 2024.

 

[kage69]

What's really ironic about this is that if SCOTUS does in fact overturn Roe, it will be because of justices appointed by a man who quite honestly has no opinion on the subject of abortion. Another way of putting it is, Trump couldn't care less.

One of the Woodward books on Trump says that when Trump first met with Bannon to talk about running for POTUS, Trump assumed it would be OK for him to run as pro-choice, which had been his public position for years. But Bannon told him no way in hell could he win a republican primary being pro-choice. Trump didn't even know that pro-life was the default stance of the republican party until Bannon told him so.

This is the person whose actions may ultimately lead to overturning Roe.

Facilitated by a corrupt man with no honest opinion on abortion, orchestrated by a corrupt man who puts personal vendettas and party above country, then enacted by a court that now lacks demographic legitimacy.

I think it's more on the disgusting side.

 

[Vic]

I guess it all depends on when a fetus becomes a person. I don't know the answer to that, but I've read arguments that it happens at conception and all the way up to one year old. The two outer limits seem just a tad extreme to me.

I've always believed that the viability standard established by Roe v Wade was a good compromise.

 

[Vic]

Beats me. I did read about a fellow who shot a pregnant woman and was charged with two counts of murder. I'd google that to see if it's happened more than once, but I don't want "shooting babies" to ever turn up as one of my web searches.

Dude.. if someone shot and killed a pregnant woman, then I'd be ok if they were charged with the murder of every child, grandchild, and great-great-great grandchild that she could have had.

 

[shortylickens]

for those who dont know (and I'm guessing its a substantial portion of the country) Roe v Wade did not say women have a constitutional right to abortions.
it says women have a constitutional right to medical privacy which also includes abortions.
If somebody overturned it, they'd be effectively stating women do not have a constitutional right to medical privacy, and the opens a whole bucket of worms. Oh, and there were two other major supreme court rulings on the issue besides Roe v Wade. Landmark cases. I forget their names.

Having said all that, what we really need is for congress to pass a new amendment saying women definitely have a right to abortions or do not have a right to abortions. That will never happen, because theres just enough people on both sides to keep fighting that war forever. There are people who would kill their fellow Americans to prove that all human life is precious. And no, they do get the hypocrisy.

 

[Zorba]

Agree that they will not lose that many female voters.

Hey, maybe all the evangelicals will be so excited they'll have multiple celebrations throughout the country, each of which will become a super spreader event and since they're all unmasked and unvaccinated...

Just reaching to find a silver lining to this.

There are so many single issue abortion voters, it could lower their turn out.

 

[Zorba]

Dude.. if someone shot and killed a pregnant woman, then I'd be ok if they were charged with the murder of every child, grandchild, and great-great-great grandchild that she could have had.

Unfortunately happens way too often. Biggest risk to a pregnant women is her male partner.

 

[mect]

I think this can only turn out badly for conservatives. If RvW is overturned, progressives will rally like crazy at the midterms I would think over something this monumental. If RvW stands, all the people that voted for Trump specifically for this purpose will feal like it is impossible to overturn, which I think will depress conservative voter turnout.