Breaking: ISIS claims having shot down the Russian Airliner with 224 Dead

[flexy]

This is just breaking and I haven't found an English source yet.

ISIS is claiming they shot down the Russian airliner as revenge for Russian air strikes. Although some doubt the veracity of this claim and say ISIS doesn't have that capability.

 

[MongGrel]

Got me, the Russians did that not too long ago, with the things they are rolling into Syria etc maybe someone nabbed one and figured out how to use it. Seems unlikely.

Have to see I guess.

This ?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/31/russian-passenger-plane-crashes-in-egypt/

 

[Genx87]

This is just breaking and I haven't found an English source yet.

ISIS is claiming they shot down the Russian airliner as revenge for Russian air strikes. Although some doubt the veracity of this claim and say ISIS doesn't have that capability.

Did they use one of these?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nightmare-libya-20000-surface-air-missiles-missing/story?id=14610199

But remember Libya was a success because it was cheap.

 

[MongGrel]

I doubt anyone shot anything down really.

 

[fskimospy]

Did they use one of these?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nightmare-libya-20000-surface-air-missiles-missing/story?id=14610199

But remember Libya was a success because it was cheap.

From initial reports it seems like the airliner was too high when they lost contact to be hit by most portable anti air missiles. Guess we will see though.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

At an altitude of 33000 feel no shoulder fire system is coming close. Doubt they have captured the missile systems capable of reaching.

Now propaganda claims for the faithful? No problem believing that.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm guessing poor maintenance, and the pre flight inspection just was waved at.

I guess we'll see.

 

[Jaskalas]

ISIS claims it.
That should help quell any notions that Russia won't be hitting them.

 

[Oric]

Russia has more powerful enemies and rivals. ISIS may be the coverup spokesperson for them

 

[kage69]

Bomb maybe? I think the odds are better that ISIS is trying to take credit for an accident.

They said the plane disappeared from radar 23 minutes after take off. Would have been at cruising altitude by then so a hit by a MANPAD is unlikely at best.

Hitting at civilians for retribution does sound like something ISIS would do though.

 

[norseamd]

I doubt anyone shot anything down really.

Same here.

Sabotage or a bomb still seems very possible.

 

[JSt0rm]

russia's response to isis:

 

[TheGardener]

We don't know anything yet, other than a Russian plane crashed and more than 200 plus people are dead. But it did happen and ISIS is taking responsibility.
http://nypost.com/2015/10/31/isis-claims-credit-for-plane-crash-in-egypt/

 

[flexy]

One can only shake the head about the incredibly idiotic "reporting" about this incident.

Let me quote from CNN:

>>
The only reasonable explanation for the crash of a Russian passenger jet in Egypt is "an external influence," an executive from the airline that operated the flight said Monday, stressing that planes don't just break apart in midair.
>>

Yes, planes do break apart in midair, this wouldn't be the first incident. TWA 800 broke apart in mid-air for example. Or that flight where the entire top of the deck came off, or whatever incident where some problem (material aging, shoddy maintenance etc.) causes planes to break apart. It happened many times.

>>
The executive was not specific about what he meant by an external influence. Experts say it is too early to know for certain what caused the plane to break up at the start of what could be a lengthy investigation.
>>

I guess that "external influence" is entirely made-up since according to the Russians "planes don't just break apart", so it must be "external influence", without ANY actual fact to base that statement on.

>>
"We exclude technical problems and reject human error," Alexander Smirnov, a Kogalymavia airline official, said at a Moscow news conference as he discussed possible causes of the crash.
>>

See above. Amazing. They exclude technical problems and human error BUT DIDN'T EVEN DECODE AND READ THE FLIGHT AND VOICE DATA RECORDERS YET.

What absolute moronic statements are those?

 

[norseamd]

And for once it was not even CNN that was moronic.

Who could be even more moronic than CNN?

Oh why yes the Russians.

Also they are probably refusing to let it be publicly considered that Russian pilots or aircraft have any faults at all.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

From watching "Air Disasters" with my fiancee Russia has a pretty shoddy maintenance and training record. They even spoke about one crash where the black box data was not trusted because the crash investigators felt the Russians may have modified some of the data on the drive. Turned out to be false but regardless when a professional investigator cannot trust Russian Black Box data because it may have been modified is telling.

 

[Attic]

The fact it was a Russian plane is concerning. Definitely raises the possibility of foul play.

The Tail section concerns that existed on this plane have been linked to similar crashes. Not sure if these were other A321's or a different model. AFAIK there was no radio communication from pilots to the ground, communication i'd expect were a mechanical failure to occur.


Not saying it was, but obviously why should we be surprised if the crash was due to a bomb or other explosive force? It's not like this was Air Swiss flying over Italy FFS.

 

[pauldun170]

right now the most plausible theory is a bomb.
Condition of the records and the altitude change+speed change kinda point to bomb.
the rapid climb past target altitude followed dive makes me think tail got blown off, Nose pointed skyward causing rapid ascent followed by rapid descent

 

[MagickMan]

Well, let's see how Putin handles this.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Still too early to say as there is some/a lot of conflicting information. The fact that the plane broke apart in mid air suggests a bomb as the most likely reason but not the only reason. OTH, if the reports that the pilot managed to report a problem which would seem unlikely if the plane was blown up.

I'd guess that it was a small bomb that did not blow the plane up in an instant but crippled the operation and that the plane then went into a dive where it exceeded the max speed and broke up via aerodynamic pressure. Such an event might permit the pilot to get out a message before it broke apart.

If it was a bomb then ISIS or an ISIS sympathizer is not out of the question. If this is the case then we (US coalition) will need to make dam sure we and the Russians are on the same page as it's highly likely that Putin will be sending a crap ton more air power to the region.

Shit's getting real really fast...


Brian

 

[JEDIYoda]

Although some doubt the veracity of this claim and say ISIS doesn't have that capability.

you don`t know that .....

 

[Balt]

>>
"We exclude technical problems and reject human error," Alexander Smirnov, a Kogalymavia airline official, said at a Moscow news conference as he discussed possible causes of the crash.
>>

See above. Amazing. They exclude technical problems and human error BUT DIDN'T EVEN DECODE AND READ THE FLIGHT AND VOICE DATA RECORDERS YET.

What absolute moronic statements are those?

Yeah. I heard that this morning and couldn't believe it. It's very unlikely that they could have definitively excluded much of anything yet.

 

[TheSlamma]

Well, let's see how Putin handles this.

Bet the shirt comes off again

 

[Darwin333]

Did they use one of these?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nightmare-libya-20000-surface-air-missiles-missing/story?id=14610199

But remember Libya was a success because it was cheap.

A man portable missile wouldn't be able to reach a commercial airplane at altitude. They would only be effective at take-off and landing.

 

[Darwin333]

you don`t know that .....

Obviously we can't be positive but it takes one of those massive towed (some are self powered) missile systems as well as the knowledge on how to actually use it to take out an aircraft that high up. We aren't talking stinger missiles or any sort of man portable weapon systems. I'd hope that our intelligence community would know if ISIS had friggen huge missile systems like that.

Really easy to see from satellite and not exactly easy to steal or otherwise procure. Then you still need people who know how to use it. It's not just point and shoot or something you jump in and figure out all by yourself.