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Kwatt

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I have posted in some of the threads about the way the LEO's behaved in the video's because their actions saddens me. So, I am posting in this one also.

I saw nothing the LEO's did in this video that was overboard and they seemed to act with restraint. Assaulting an officer who is preforming their duty legaling is just wrong.

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And if you watch closely the downed officer attempts to shoot another but his weapon malfunctions.
 
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mizzou

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norseamd said:
The thing is they were right to break up the group but instead of just charging headlong into there they could have stood 10 feet back and tried to first ask them to break up themselves or use diplomatic negotiating to get the desired results from the dumbshits.
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Because that always works well with ignorant hatfields&mccoys camped out at walmart :D
 
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I think some may have missed it, but there are actually two cops already there when the cruisers pulled up. So, I believe it was a 4 cop struggle for several minutes before the second wave came. I'm not sure, but I think the two cops at the beginning pursued someone away from the scene and left only two cops for awhile, but initially there were four.

Having said that, the first two cops were keeping it calm until back up came. With four cops they believed they had enough to break up the scene. After reading a bit about the family, I don't think there was any way of defusing the scene without violence. They were radical religious folks. I think the cops may have underestimated the group's resolve though.

What a strange video. One cop accidentally kicks the shot cop in the head at one point...
 
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Subyman said:
What a strange video. One cop accidentally kicks the shot cop in the head at one point...
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I saw that too. If you look closely the kick connects with two people, the cops buddy and the vagabond.
 
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mizzou

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Subyman said:
I think some may have missed it, but there are actually two cops already there when the cruisers pulled up. So, I believe it was a 4 cop struggle for several minutes before the second wave came. I'm not sure, but I think the two cops at the beginning pursued someone away from the scene and left only two cops for awhile, but initially there were four.

Having said that, the first two cops were keeping it calm until back up came. With four cops they believed they had enough to break up the scene. After reading a bit about the family, I don't think there was any way of defusing the scene without violence. They were radical religious folks. I think the cops may have underestimated the group's resolve though.

What a strange video. One cop accidentally kicks the shot cop in the head at one point...
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It is definitly strange. There are several points where a cop or two a long with a gaver or two just seem to relax and stand around while another fight breaks out, stops, then another breaks out, or they all break out and fight.

To think that at a few points people were just standing around and then a gaver got into a fight good enough he was shot, it's pretty fucked up. I don't think they all had good situational awareness, because it was probably pretty hard to do so with all those people around.
 
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mizzou said:
It is definitly strange. There are several points where a cop or two a long with a gaver or two just seem to relax and stand around while another fight breaks out, stops, then another breaks out, or they all break out and fight.

To think that at a few points people were just standing around and then a gaver got into a fight good enough he was shot, it's pretty fucked up. I don't think they all had good situational awareness, because it was probably pretty hard to do so with all those people around.
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I've been at, not in, large brawls before and they do go in waves. The reason is because any fight longer than about 1-2 minutes is too much for a normal person. They have to a breather, but mentally they are still wanting to fight. That is why you see those pauses. Its a natural reset, rest up, get the lactic acid out of the muscles, and then jump back in. Its definitely a weird sight to see.
 
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Genx87

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Cluster fuck. From what I saw of the video the police did what they could. They probably could had waited for backup to arrive as a show of force. But in the heat of the moment bleh I cant blame them. I'm honestly surprised more people weren't shot.
 
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brycejones

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michal1980 said:
Its also clear that the situation was far more calm before the officers came to 'separate' the people then right after.

Before that point it looks like there was some communication going on, and everyone was just standing around.

The officers instead of trying to get an idea of whats going on, go straight to using force, they were the spark that lit the kindling.
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As if we needed more proof what an absolute moron you are.
 
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emperus

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I've never seen anything like this. This video gives me 0 confidence in the training of our police force. I just get tired of cops coming to situations and then watching them escalate.

I'm not absolving the family of their part. But it seems the situation didn't have to escalate that seriously that quickly.
 
JSt0rm

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I dont really know but wouldn't it of made sense to get cuffs on people?
 
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It escalated because the family attacked the police. The officers were attempting to seperate alleged offenders and their supporters/family for the purpose of investigating the crime and to prevent a mob attack. Unfortunately the family is clearly seen pushing one cop and punching another before the police could successfully separate them.

The instigators and escalators are the family members. Not the cops
 
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brycejones

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JSt0rm said:
I dont really know but wouldn't it of made sense to get cuffs on people?
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When they refused to separate I believe a comment was made that it was time for cuffs and that is when all hell broke loose.

Totally jacked up scene but the family involved in this is completely to blame for the fight and everything that happened after.
 
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emperus said:
I've never seen anything like this. This video gives me 0 confidence in the training of our police force. I just get tired of cops coming to situations and then watching them escalate.

I'm not absolving the family of their part. But it seems the situation didn't have to escalate that seriously that quickly.
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This is yet another example, of many, where it would have been better for everyone if the police were simply not involved.
 
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JSt0rm

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the facebook page is hilarious: https://www.facebook.com/Matthew24Now/timeline

"Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of Elohim, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as Elohim in Messiah also has forgiven you. Ephesians 4:29-32"

"Sure could have remembered this before fighting with the cops."
 
norseamd

norseamd

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Well fuck now Bob is basically Sacre Blue not sure he deserves getting used for memes like this shit.
 
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brycejones

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JSt0rm said:
the facebook page is hilarious: https://www.facebook.com/Matthew24Now/timeline

"Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of Elohim, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as Elohim in Messiah also has forgiven you. Ephesians 4:29-32"

"Sure could have remembered this before fighting with the cops."
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Another gem:

We've been looking at this in light of Fukushima, and the world-wide imposition of chem-trails, and also wondering if it is possible that the burnt grass is a chemical or acid Burn,,, supposition of course,,
 
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