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[MongGrel]

:whiste:

 

[Ichinisan]

And even more French police

Shall we try a different country next?

That's the "special team" I spoke of.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Whoa, that's impressive....Gonna show North Korea next?

How about Bosnia?

I like the Fijian uniforms

So, VG, can you buy a pistol to protect your family or are you trusting the police?

http://firearmslaw.ca/gun-law-resources/licensing-process/

Don't live with any family so I'm the only one I need to protect.

Don't own a pistol just a long gun.

Don't expect to ever have to use it other than for hunting or target practice.

And I'm still trying to understand what posting the picture of a French policeman being killed in the line of duty while being attacked by terrorists has to with pretty much anything that's been under discussion.

 

[WelshBloke]

And I'm still trying to understand what posting the picture of a French policeman being killed in the line of duty while being attacked by terrorists has to with pretty much anything that's been under discussion.

I'm pretty lost in this as well.

Your average French policemen carries a side arm, which is the same as most American police men isn't it?

The French police is a convoluted 'organisation', some of it is part of the military, some of it is national, some is very regional. You could probably find an example of a municipal policemen there that isn't armed but that's not the norm.

 

[Carson Dyle]

The French police is a convoluted 'organisation', some of it is part of the military, some of it is national, some is very regional.

How exactly is that unusual? That's exactly the organization we have in the US. We have paramilitary police forces at every level of government. You can't take a piss in the US without splashing someone carrying a gun and a badge.

 

[WelshBloke]

How exactly is that unusual? That's exactly the organization we have in the US.

I'm not French or American, so it's unusual to me.

Do you have police under the control of the military policing the general public?

 

[touchstone]

I think I know why it's like this. I was thinking about it, and what is the place where normal, law abiding citizens would see the cops in action up until a few years ago? The television show 'Cops'!




That show has been running for decades and constantly portrays cops as heroes, and the public as a bunch of insane, violent psychopaths. They've been running a propaganda campaign in our living rooms for decades and we didn't even know it. If the only thing you know about Cops comes from that show, what are you supposed to think?

 

[norseamd]

Do you have police under the control of the military policing the general public?

No. America has no Gendarmaries. Probably has lots to do with keeping the military under civilian control. He was referring to paramilitary units from LEAs which are fully civilian. Although I would have guessed that many Europeans would actually have known this. Not sure why. And there are actually not that many state LEAs besides the Highway Patrols and shit. But no problem if you did not know any of this type of shit.

Edit: Actually there is a exception to military policing of civilians and all of America. The Coast Guard does have full law enforcement power as far as I am aware of although they are usually under the control of DHS as of a few years ago but are still considered as a full military service.

 

[Ichinisan]

I think I know why it's like this. I was thinking about it, and what is the place where normal, law abiding citizens would see the cops in action up until a few years ago? The television show 'Cops'!




That show has been running for decades and constantly portrays cops as heroes, and the public as a bunch of insane, violent psychopaths. They've been running a propaganda campaign in our living rooms for decades and we didn't even know it. If the only thing you know about Cops comes from that show, what are you supposed to think?

I grew up in poverty, around the trashiest of people. I assure you, that's the kind of shit that keeps cops busy. No bullshit.

 

[norseamd]

Ya try life in North Minneapolis for a while and see how nice and quiet everything is now.

Edit: That said he does have a very good point about the overall attitude and propaganda of the show Cops.

 

[WelshBloke]

No. America has no Gendarmaries. Probably has lots to do with keeping the military under civilian control. He was referring to paramilitary units from LEAs which are fully civilian.

Yeah but I on about the structure of the French police forces being convoluted. By that I meant that some is civilian and some is military, as well as national, local, and municipal branches. Plus all the special units.

Every police force has their versions of your SWAT guys. That's not what I was on about.

 

[Darwin333]

That's definitely not "keeping the peace."

But THEM beating the shit out of them, versus attempting to deescalate the situation, is "keeping the peace"?

 

[Darwin333]

I'm willing to bet most of those kills were necessary to protect the public. The handful that cause outrage are the exceptions, obviously.

Your epiphany that cops kill more than terrorists is a "no shit, Sherlock" failure of a point.

Thankfully, almost no Americans die from terrorist attacks. Cops *must* be able to use deadly force in order to do their jobs and protect the public.

Did you know that way more cops are killed by criminals every year than Americans killed by terrorists? Did you know that? I don't even have to look up the stats.

Actually you can massage the data on the cops versus terrorists thing. If we start the numbers at 9/11 to now I would bet the terrorists would win huge. Furthermore, we spend untold hundreds of billions of dollars fighting terrorism to "protect" us from them, are you arguing that we should spend equally as much protecting the public from the police?

You did just admit that we are in far more danger from the police than we are from terrorists after all.

 

[Darwin333]

That doesn't seem like a lot, like 400/year, then? I would have thought the number higher. That means in a given year 1 out of about every 3/4 million people are killed by a cop. In fact, that is so few that it is hardly a blip.

Then cops dying in the line of duty isn't even a blip and people in the US killed by terrorists is a full blip.

 

[MongGrel]

Game Wardens used to have more power than about anyone in the US years ago, not sure if still applies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_warden

They so not even need search warrants in many cases, and have LEO authority in many states.

Of course, many of them have a lot of common sense, my father told me never to piss one off when I was young.