Braswell reviews

gorion · Jul 3, 2015

Do we have any good review on Braswell?
Seems interesting for a DIY Nas

ShintaiDK · Jul 3, 2015

http://www.techspot.com/review/1014-intel-celeron-n3050-pentium-n3700/

Lowend doesnt seem to get much attention. But this is one review.

dark zero · Jul 3, 2015

Trying to fight against a Bay Trail and failing hard on CPU, on the other side it brutalizes Bt on GPU. That's how I see that benchmarks.

frozentundra123456 · Jul 3, 2015

Cant figure that one out. I would never trade cpu performance for gpu performance in that range, which is what Intel basically did.

ShintaiDK · Jul 3, 2015

dark zero said:
Trying to fight against a Bay Trail and failing hard on CPU, on the other side it brutalizes Bt on GPU. That's how I see that benchmarks.

They are not clocked the same either for the SKUs used. Else they would perform identical.

The N3050 looks ideal for a NAS. 14W idle, 17W load. (With 2x4GB and 1TB MX200 SSD)

ShintaiDK · Jul 3, 2015

frozentundra123456 said:
Cant figure that one out. I would never trade cpu performance for gpu performance in that range, which is what Intel basically did.

There will be more "desktop" SKUs. Currently there are like 4x more BayTrail "desktop" SKUs than Braswell.

Tablet versions clock the same as BayTrail.

gorion · Jul 3, 2015

ShintaiDK said:
They are not clocked the same either for the SKUs used. Else they would perform identical.

The N3050 looks ideal for a NAS. 14W idle, 17W load. (With 2x4GB and 1TB MX200 SSD)

I was looking at that one. Seems the most promising, but i was expecting better performance. Worse than sempron 3850 is not good (even at half power)

dark zero · Jul 3, 2015

frozentundra123456 said:
Cant figure that one out. I would never trade cpu performance for gpu performance in that range, which is what Intel basically did.

Maybe they tried to smash Kabini and failed... To make it worse, AMD is NOT updating AM1+ and still are strong as before and even worse... Kabini are OCable

ShintaiDK · Jul 3, 2015

gorion said:
I was looking at that one. Seems the most promising, but i was expecting better performance. Worse than sempron 3850 is not good (even at half power)

Just get the N3700 then.

Seems the N3050+board is around 60$. And the N3700+board around 100$. Then you also get mPCIe slot for wifi etc.

dark zero · Jul 3, 2015

ShintaiDK said:
Just get the N3700 then.

Sadly even a J2900 is better CPU wise and a Athlon 5350 is GPU wise.
The only good side is the Power consumption...

If.VIA were more active... This is the perfect moment for a counter attack.

ShintaiDK · Jul 3, 2015

dark zero said:
Sadly even a J2900 is better CPU wise and a Athlon 5350 is GPU wise.
The only good side is the Power consumption...

If.VIA were more active... This is the perfect moment for a counter attack.

GPU doesnt matter in a NAS.

And 25W vs 6W is quite a difference. These are tablet leftovers so to say. An area out of reach for AMD and VIA.

You can just as well use 35W T Celerons/Pentiums to compare with 25W parts.

gorion · Jul 3, 2015

ShintaiDK said:
GPU doesnt matter in a NAS.

And 25W vs 6W is quite a difference. These are tablet leftovers so to say. An area out of reach for AMD and VIA.

You can just as well use 35W T Celerons/Pentiums to compare with 25W parts.

That's the point. 10w idle difference for 24/7 is a lot.

ShintaiDK · Jul 3, 2015

If idle is your main concern. Get a Haswell Celeron if you dont pick Braswell. But remember the mobo have a huge influence here.

gorion · Jul 3, 2015

Yes,the other option would be an embedded celeron U.

Too bad i can't find any Msi eco braswell review

ShintaiDK · Jul 3, 2015

gorion said:
Yes,the other option would be an embedded celeron U.

Too bad i can't find any Msi eco braswell review

Else depending on how much you want to fit and DIY. A NUC could be the option. I will use a Skylake one for HTPC+NAS, tho it will be an i5 or something.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc5cpyh.html

130$ and includes AC WiFi. Just need memory+storage. The N3700 one is 180$.

Also includes backplate for wallmount.

gorion · Jul 4, 2015

I think the NUC would be a bit limited for NAS. I want 4 hdds.

something weird in reviews though.

Techspot Bay Trail power figures are quite different from these:http://www.technikaffe.de/anleitung-307-asrock_n3150_itx_im_test__14nm_braswell_vs._22nm_bay_trail

Both are not far from the A4-5000:http://www.tweakpc.de/hardware/tests/mainboards/asrock_am1h-itx_asrock_qc_5000-itx/s06.php

Which lets me wonder if AMD will release a similar Carrizo part in a few months, which might be interesting

Insert_Nickname · Jul 4, 2015

ShintaiDK said:
If idle is your main concern. Get a Haswell Celeron if you dont pick Braswell. But remember the mobo have a huge influence here.

Don't forget the PSU. That can have an equal impact.

ShintaiDK · Jul 4, 2015

gorion said:
I think the NUC would be a bit limited for NAS. I want 4 hdds.

something weird in reviews though.

Techspot Bay Trail power figures are quite different from these:http://www.technikaffe.de/anleitung-307-asrock_n3150_itx_im_test__14nm_braswell_vs._22nm_bay_trail

Both are not far from the A4-5000:http://www.tweakpc.de/hardware/tests/mainboards/asrock_am1h-itx_asrock_qc_5000-itx/s06.php

Which lets me wonder if AMD will release a similar Carrizo part in a few months, which might be interesting

You cant use cross compare reviews with different setups in terms of power consumption.

ShintaiDK · Jul 4, 2015

Insert_Nickname said:
Don't forget the PSU. That can have an equal impact.

Oh yes. One PSU could easily be 30-40W idle and another 10W.

Thats also why i recommend the NUCs or similar.

Compared to techspot:

They seem to use some standard 500W PSU. While the NUC uses a tailored 65W PSU.

gorion · Jul 4, 2015

ShintaiDK said:
You cant use cross compare reviews with different setups in terms of power consumption.

Power differences should be consistent though.

Once taken into account power efficiency one should expect roughly the same difference in power consumption.

The techkaffe review use a 65w psu, the other a 90w picopsu IIRC.these are probably more realistic figures

ShintaiDK · Jul 4, 2015

gorion said:
Power differences should be consistent though.

Once taken into account power efficiency one should expect roughly the same difference in power consumption.

The techkaffe review use a 65w psu, the other a 90w picopsu IIRC.these are probably more realistic figures

Not really.

One PSU could be 25% efficient at 10W(40W) while 50% efficient at 20W(40W). And another would be 50% at 10W(20W) and 60% at 20W(33.3W).

There has been many "fun" results in the past in the area. I think I even saw an Atom with 1W increase only from idle to load.

gorion · Jul 4, 2015

This comparison seems good:
http://www.technikaffe.de/anleitung...il_oder_externes_netzteil__was_ist_sparsamer_

myocardia · Jul 4, 2015

ShintaiDK said:
One PSU could be 25% efficient at 10W(40W) while 50% efficient at 20W(40W). And another would be 50% at 10W(20W) and 60% at 20W(33.3W).

We're not talking about 'normal' ATX PSUs, though. We're talking about 65-90-150W picopsus, like the ones used with Intel NUCs, and all laptops. The kind that output 19V DC, like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104184

Yuriman · Jul 4, 2015

Has Braswell reached NUCs yet? I'd be interested in picking up an N3700 or equivalent for my father, to replace his aging 1.8ghz Core2Duo system.

dark zero · Jul 4, 2015

Yuriman said:
Has Braswell reached NUCs yet? I'd be interested in picking up an N3700 or equivalent for my father, to replace his aging 1.8ghz Core2Duo system.

Don't do that! Brasswell Sadly is a brutal step back of Bay Trail. You are dooming your father to a Pentium D levels.
In the best case just go and buy a Pentium G3220 with a cheap MB

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