Boycott nVidia? :)

[gixxer]

I?ll start by saying this? I personally would love a nvidia 6800GT PCIe, but am waiting till they come down to realistic prices.

But when will that ever happen??? Think about it for a minute? why would nVidia even want to produce a bunch of high end cards for consumers to buy right now. Sure, the PC makers somehow get theirs. But the consumers who have a clue and like to build his or her own machine get stuck with this ridiculous waiting game, limited manufactures, and extreme price gouging. (I mean come on.. a 399 MSRP card going for 700+ :roll: ).

Well here is my conspiracy theory? If you read over the many different forums and threads I keep seeing the same thing over and over? ?I couldn?t get a hold of a 6800GT or Ultra PCIe, so I am just going to pick up a 6600 or 6600GT till I can get one??

Now if I were a marketing money man at nVidia, I would feel like I have won the business lottery. Let's take our sweet ol? time with the high end cards and just make enough to make our PC builder partners happy and let the consumers pay thru the nose. That equals more profit for us. And since so many are just buying a 6600 for a hold-me-over till 6800s are out, that means we will sell twice as many video cards. = Even More Profit.

So out of frustration I just had to vent yet again about this ridiculous video card situation. (ATI isn?t much better)

So if you can? hold off on buying a video card until you can get what you really want at a reasonable price.

 

[zakee00]

good theory imo. never thought about it like that

 

[nRollo]

Disagree. I don't think you are even close.

I bet nVidia is making the same amount per chip, and the OEMs are making the same amount per card. (you do realize OEMs pay nVidia for chips, and that nVidia gets none of the retail (AFAIK) )

I think the vendors are the ones profiteering here.

Beyond that, nVidia can sell all the PCIE chips they can make right now- they would easily make up in volume what they'd lose by keeping supply scarce.

Even beyond that- nVidia has an interest in making sure as many cards as possible are nVidia based, they want market share.

 

[nitromullet]

Is ATi also holding out on the X800XL and X850's so people will buy a 6600GT now? I would imagine that if either nVidia or ATi could get their cards out in volume they would. If you want to boycott, boycott vendors selling these cards way over MSRP.

 

[Insomniak]

Uh, no.

You know WHY the MSRP is what it is? Because that's based on what Nvidia charges it's partners and resellers and OEM clients. If prices are gouged, it's the work of the RETAILER, NOT THE MANUFACTURER. MSRP is what Nvidia says they should be charging based on what Nvidia charged them - with a little room for profit. So if the MSRP is $400 and the retail price is $700, you can blame TigerDirect, or Buy.com, or whoever for tacking on that extra $300.

Yes, this DOES mean Newegg is gouging the A8N-SLI Deluxe for $270.


If anything, we should be boycotting Nvidia AND ATi because neither one of them can seem to ship products they launch. Nvidia is doing slightly better out of the two, but still nothing to be proud of...

 

[orwell84]

I'm boycotting everybody. But I don't think it's an intentional move on the part of ATI or Nvidia as cynical as I am.

I think that most profit is made in high volume sales, not upping the price on scarce units. It's in their interest to push high volume sales.

I have heard that there is a shortage of the memory chips used in these card and I think the PCI-e is also complicated things.

But for whatever reason, yeah, I hear ya. Prices and availablity are just plain silly right now. Until I can find the exact card I want at a reasonable price, they can just bite me.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Not to be bias or anything but why Nvidia. ATI seems to be having more trouble getting cards out the door than Nvidia is.

Making a thread in a forum attempting to "boycott" Nvidia isn't going to do crap. All this is doing is taking up forum space, and inviting flames.

-Kevin

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Uh, no.

You know WHY the MSRP is what it is? Because that's based on what Nvidia charges it's partners and resellers and OEM clients. If prices are gouged, it's the work of the RETAILER, NOT THE MANUFACTURER. MSRP is what Nvidia says they should be charging based on what Nvidia charged them - with a little room for profit. So if the MSRP is $400 and the retail price is $700, you can blame TigerDirect, or Buy.com, or whoever for tacking on that extra $300.

Yes, this DOES mean Newegg is gouging the A8N-SLI Deluxe for $270.


If anything, we should be boycotting Nvidia AND ATi because neither one of them can seem to ship products they launch. Nvidia is doing slightly better out of the two, but still nothing to be proud of...

It may be the hand of the retailer doing the gouging Insomniak, but it's the work of teh Devil!!!!

:evil:

:shocked:

 

[Cawchy87]

I would... but then there aren't any cards to buy.

 

[ponyo]

There's Matrox. I'm thinking about selling my 6800 Ultra and buying Matrox P650. Is the 2D vga analog at 1600x1200 or higher that much better than ATI or Nvidia?

 

[Insomniak]

Matrox has legendary 2d quality...of course, that's about all they have, but still...

 

[Cawchy87]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Matrox has legendary 2d quality...of course, that's about all they have, but still...

Exactly. If anyone can find me some fun 2d games I'll gladly buy a Matrox card. But until then...

 

[Drayvn]

I have to admit, that in the UK, ATI have tons of X800Pro, XT, XT-PE PCI-E boards. While nVidia only have the 6800GTo PCI-E boards.

What im wondering is it any harder to manufacture AGP than PCI-E, as there are tons more product for the PCI-E than for AGP.

And also over at www.overclockers.co.uk in England they say they have confirmed shipments which already have shipped and are arriving my mid this week. And those are the X850XT and X800XL PCI-E chips, and there are tons coming also. In many different brands too.

And that company is selling it at £199.95, which will be about $375, so damn good price id say.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: Cawchy87

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Matrox has legendary 2d quality...of course, that's about all they have, but still...

Exactly. If anyone can find me some fun 2d games I'll gladly buy a Matrox card. But until then...

I'm thinking about giving up PC gaming...

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Naustica
There's Matrox. I'm thinking about selling my 6800 Ultra and buying Matrox P650. Is the 2D vga analog at 1600x1200 or higher that much better than ATI or Nvidia?

Why in the hell would you do that. Yes there 2d IQ is better but not that good that you should get rid of a top of the line card for it.

-Kevin

 

[jjzelinski]

Well I'll be boycotting them for an entirely different reason. You may want to be careful what you wish for, you might they they release their fabled 6800Ultra PCI-e minus 3D capability, or the VGA plug, or active cooling, or support for windows, or <gasp!> without a properly funcitoning video processor!

I'll be going now

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Well I'll be boycotting them for an entirely different reason. You may want to be careful what you wish for, you might they they release their fabled 6800Ultra PCI-e minus 3D capability, or the VGA plug, or active cooling, or support for windows, or <gasp!> without a properly funcitoning video processor!

I'll be going now

I think your work here is done

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Disagree. I don't think you are even close.

I bet nVidia is making the same amount per chip, and the OEMs are making the same amount per card. (you do realize OEMs pay nVidia for chips, and that nVidia gets none of the retail (AFAIK) )

I think the vendors are the ones profiteering here.

Beyond that, nVidia can sell all the PCIE chips they can make right now- they would easily make up in volume what they'd lose by keeping supply scarce.

Even beyond that- nVidia has an interest in making sure as many cards as possible are nVidia based, they want market share.

 

[cubby1223]

And why would they want to produce all those high end chips when manufacturers build in the technology to overclock the cards? Heck, why should nVidia or manufacturers make 6800 Ultras when most consumers will just buy a 6800 nu and unlock the pipelines &amp; overclock the cards? I'd bet manufacturers could build them to not allow software reconfiguration, but that feature is worth a helluva lot of money, and I'd look to that as why you don't see an overabundance of true high-end cards out there.

 

[jjzelinski]

Why alienate a market segment by being unfriendly to overclockers? By their very nature those that OC are enthusiests and the industry has recognized the influence of that "demographic." If a card OC's well that relates synonymously to "quality" even if it's dirty little trick like the Cely 300a. I'm sure marketing has a great deal to do with what you speak.

 

[imverygifted]

theres a name for it, its called planned obsolesence (however its spelled). its all about marketing, nothing illegal about it at all and since they have a good corner on the market nothing can prevent them from doing it

 

[ronnn]

I agree hold off until you can pay a price that is realistic with your budget. Many with slow computers enjoy their gaming experience as much or more than the benchmarkers and their threads. Always reminds me of the duffers with super clubs and a nice little outfit. They just look silly in the woods.

 

[THUGSROOK]

its your fault for going to PCIe in the 1st place.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Lets boycott the OP instead.

Anyway, I think ATI is even worse when it comes to PCI-E availability.

 

[Cerb]

NVidia makes 6800GT.
NVidia sells 6800GT.
NVidia convinces buyers PCI-E is the next big thing.
AGP comes out first, to get the ball rolling.
PCI-E is being produced.
AGP is selling, and PCI-E not.
Now manufacturers, who probably need 3-6 months of lead time (less for actual manufacturing once it gets going, but surely that much before they can start selling them) are stuck with a lot of PCI-E parts, not expecting the AGP parts to have sold as well, and now need to get low-end AGP parts out, and high-end PCI-E parts, and really are in a crunch for time.
Big OEMs give them more money than we do, and so get preferential treatment for the smaller supply of these cards.

ATI, luckily, just gets off clean with several paper launches.