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Boycott!! Game companies just aren't treating us right

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Dunjon

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There is no doubt that the average maintream pc is superior to any game system so why is it that we get passed over for the games. I like fighting, racing, platforms, sports, and arcade games just as much as any console gamer so it pisses me off that I can't get games like Dead or Alive 3. I mean its and Freakin Xbox game. It was designed to run on a pentium3 733, 64meg total system ram, and a geforce3 ti200 and windows ce. I wont even buy an EA game anymore since they decided I wasn't worthy enough to have NBA Live 2002 on my computer, nor NBA Street for that matter. I've owned every year of NBA Live since 95. The next version of Need4Speed(hot pursuit2) will be for the PS2, not the pc and that Motor City crap was just that...CRAP. Microsoft dissed us too. They can bully these tech companies around so much that the government has to get involved but that can't ensure that the best Xbox games will be released for windows. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU KEEP WANTING ME TO UPGRADE WINDOWS FOR!!! They should demand that companies that want to make games for the Xbox also make them for windows.

This may all sound like ranting and raving(and it is) but I've been a computer gamer since the early C64 days and then the Amiga. When the first generation of consoles died out it was people like me who kept companies like Electronic Arts and Activision in business. Someone give me some tissue so I wipe off the Vaselene.

Right now my system consist of an Athlon 1.4G, 768 meg sdram, and a Radeon 8500 64meg card. Never again will I upgrade CPU or video for the sake of graphics or gameplay that I will never get to witness.

 
If you like the xbox games so much, then just buy an xbox instead of your next PC upgrade. For the most person, the decision to make a game only on a console is based on what money they think they can make. Fighting games espcially have never had much success on the PC, thats why you dont see Dead or Alive or Tekken or the newest Virtua Fighter (i believe 1 and 2 were ported). I think deals are struck to make certain titles console exclusive too to make more money.
 
>it pisses me off that I can't get games like Dead or Alive 3. I mean its and Freakin Xbox game.

did you ever think that perhaps mass priating has anything to do with it. more and more companies are totally put off of making games and not getting what they're due.

It took 50 employees and $4M+ to make RTCW, not all games have this kind of sucess, but some are now saying why even try if we won't even make the cut. Console games for now are offering better game copy protection than the PC market.

We all whine for the lack of PC games but let me ask you this, are you willing to pay and give up your privacy to activate games you buy for the PC. Untill better protection is made possible, PC Games will decline and Console games will move up and specially if they get Internet connection.
 
Deveoloping software for a system that has always this cpu, this motherboard, this gpu, this memory and this sound is alot easier than developing software for a system that could have this cpu, or that cpu or even that cpu and so on.
 


<< >it pisses me off that I can't get games like Dead or Alive 3. I mean its and Freakin Xbox game.

did you ever think that perhaps mass priating has anything to do with it. more and more companies are totally put off of making games and not getting what they're due.

It took 50 employees and $4M+ to make RTCW, not all games have this kind of sucess, but some are now saying why even try if we won't even make the cut. Console games for now are offering better game copy protection than the PC market.

We all whine for the lack of PC games but let me ask you this, are you willing to pay and give up your privacy to activate games you buy for the PC. Untill better protection is made possible, PC Games will decline and Console games will move up and specially if they get Internet connection. >>




Both Playstation and Playstation 2 games are heavily pirated. Think of how many people picked up mod chips for their PSX, and games were easily burned. Even PS2 games are slimmed down or divided to fit on a few cds. Hell, Dreamcast games were supposed to be difficult to pirate because of the 1.5 gb cd's but were pirated. I dont think that PC games are pirated that much more than consoles.
 
PCs are not "obviously superior" in capabilities to their consoles. They are based on architechture from the very first Intel-compatible PC's. This creates many bottlenecks which slow down modern PC's, but are required for backward compatibility. Consoles, especially the XBOX, have worked to remove nearly all of the bottlenecks that come from hardware based on the X86 intel-compatible architechture. If this were done to a PC, you would need a custom tailored operating system AND custom made software to take advantage of the enhancements. This is exactly like a console.

Think about this: The Super Nintendo had a 7MHz processor, yet it takes a 200MHz PC to properly emulate one.

Just look at the software, the reason DOA3 isn't on PC is because very few (if ANY) PC's are capable of those kind of graphics.

Actually, the newest consoles are almost always way ahead of PC's.

When the NES was released, PC's weren't even in color.
When the SNES was released, PC games were nowhere near capable of the scaling, rotating, and transparency effects that the SNES boasted.
When the N64 was released, nothing on PC could compare to Super Mario 64 (although some PC ports, like Quake, looked terrible on N64)
Same with the Dreamcast, I used to think it had Voodoo3-class graphics, until I saw DOA2.

PS2, XBOX, Gamecube...De ja vu.
 
CZroe

The point that they're making (which you don't address) is that the XBox *is* just a Pentium III 733 chip with a modified GeForce2.

Still based on the x86 architecture of the original 8086 and still probably compatable with MSDOS if someone decided to write a half decent BIOS for it.

The fact is that the XBox is a low-end PC. Nothing more.

But game developers like it because they can code for THOSE specs and not have to worry about whether or not the system is going to be faster or slower and whether or not it will support DirectX for OpenGL and whether or not it will have 3d sound or not and whether or not it will support SSE2 or not, etc.

That's why they develop for XBox instead of PC. It's easier to make a high quality game.

Most newer PCs are technically superior, but to use the full capabilities takes time and talent.

Eric
 
Wrong, wrong, wrong, sorry 🙂

The point I made is that XBOX is EXACTLY what Microsoft says it is...NOT A PC.

Everything else you may have read are rumors which have grown from speculation about the Intel and Nvidia parts included in the XBOX.
It's architechture rids itself of leagacy functions which it does not use or need.
The hardware has been completely rebuilt, even the Intel PIII based processor is customized for the XBOX (do you realy think it supports 16-bit real-mode?).
The nvidia chipset is most important. Although it shares much in common with the nforce, it is HEAVILY modified and enhanced to take advantage of the other modified hardware.
The only way you could get a PC OS running on an XBOX is either through emulation, or to heavily modify and recompile the operating system (the XBOX BIOS is actually a modified Win2k core). Or perhaps a combination of techniques (use emulation to simulate missing PC motherboard components).

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Oh yeah, the NV20 in the XBOX is better than a GeForce3, certainly not GF2 class...
 
Again, no amount of programming 'talent' could squeeze the same amount of power from a comparably equipped PC.

3D Mark 2001SE was created with DirectX (same as XBOX games), and the tests which make my GF4 crawl are not as impressive as some of the XBOX graphics I have seen.

If PC's were capable of those visuals, don't you think at least Intel and AMD would have some demonstrations showing these incredible graphics pumped from their latest processors?
 
My brother neglected to mention that programmers are allowed to directly access [specific] hardware on the X-Box to yield perfomance several magnitudes better than a PC with a modern OS. Normally, a program has to ask the OS to ask the hardware to do something. This is because the hardware may do it differently than another piece of compatable hardware so only the OS and its drivers can work it out. With standardized hardware, this is not needed. In the PC world, it doesn't matter if everyone has a GeForce3 because the OS STILL doesn't provide direct access to hardware. Back in the DOS and 9X days certain hardware could be utilized directly... Which led to more common occurances of the familiar "Blue Screen of Death" because without total control, the OS couldn't stop the program from taking down the entire system.
 
Yall Just don't know ya. The reason console games are better is because they make them better. If PCs are the inferior then why is it that The Xbox and the Gamecube are made with PC technology. They even want to to spend more money to turn them into PCs( hard drives, usb and firewire, modems, broadband, Keyboards and mice, etc). Well when the next set of consoles come out they'll probably be advertising them as "entertainment systems you can use as personal computers" Well Dayum ain't that a blip!

And while people were playing the NES and SNES I was playing a bad azz box called the Amiga.(the good ole days)

Futhermore, The PS2 has the jaggies so bad that the ONLY reason that I would buy one is because I CAN pirate the games. Glide games on the voodoo 3 were smoother.



 


<< The reason console games are better is because they make them better. >>

You make your case well.

<< If PCs are the inferior then why is it that The Xbox and the Gamecube are made with PC technology. >>

Because they remove the things that are holding back PCs: Reverse Compatability, and non-standard hardware. I think you left out a question mark.

<< They even want to to spend more money to turn them into PCs( hard drives, usb and firewire, modems, broadband, Keyboards and mice, etc). >>

Yeah, and guess what: They'll STILL want to sell you a new console in a year or two because they can. You can't upgrade it. It's not *REALLY* reverse compatable (Emulation or secondary clone hardware doesn't count). You have to buy it anyway. The Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) had an "SNES Mouse." SNES had an "X-BAND" 28.8k modem for multiplayer games (Which were flawlessly synchronized). SNES even had a keyboard for typing email ("X-Mail"). Yep, it SURE helped the old SNES move in on PCs.... Riiiight. If it doesn't work for PC applications, it's not a PC. Simple! And the easiest way to support PC applications is to make a PC clone. That means REVERSE COMPATABLE! which thankfully, the X-Box isn't. BTW, the GC can't run OS-X either! 🙂
 
Personally, I don't understand why some PC gamers feel so threatend by consoles and make such a big deal outta everything. Consoles have pros and cons, PCs have pros and cons. I could care less about the platform, I just want good games.


Lethal
 


<< the tests which make my GF4 crawl are not as impressive as some of the XBOX graphics I have seen. >>

Drop the resolution to 640x480, enable FSAA and view it on a TV and you might decide otherwise. 😉
 


<< And while people were playing the NES and SNES I was playing a bad azz box called the Amiga.(the good ole days) >>


I was playing Atari ST. Atari ST 0wnz Commodore Amiga! Oh wait...where are they both now??? Those were cool systems. I STILL think about the good old days wasted playing SunDog! It's almost time to get the emulator out now 😀



<< Consoles have pros and cons, PCs have pros and cons. >>


Yeah, some people like not having to buy a completely new systems and software (games) every three years and some people like being able to play their new game without troubleshooting for an hour first. Personally, I'm a tinkerer 😉
 


<< << And while people were playing the NES and SNES I was playing a bad azz box called the Amiga.(the good ole days) >> >>




<< I was playing Atari ST. Atari ST 0wnz Commodore Amiga! Oh wait...where are they both now??? Those were cool systems. I STILL think about the good old days wasted playing SunDog! It's almost time to get the emulator out now >>



Yeah.....and before either one of you blokes had even seen anything other than an Atari 2600, I was playing the best games of the era on an Atari 800.
--Randy
 


<< Yeah.....and before either one of you blokes had even seen anything other than an Atari 2600, I was playing the best games of the era on an Atari 800. >>


Atari 800 rocked! My dad had (and still does somewhere) one of those! It had some great coin-op conversions.
Defender and Joust were my favorites. I got an Atari 400 for Christmas a while later. That keyboard was impossible to type on!

When I was little my Dad's best friend stopped by our house with a TRS-80 Model 1 and I was like "Whoa!"
Damn, I'm old! 😀

Edit: I'm pretty sure I saw (and had) the Mattel Intellivision before the Atari 800. Atari was still the best though 😛
 
ObiDon--Did ya ever see anyone play a game called M.U.L.E., by EA on the Atari 800? 4 players with 4 joysticks.....real time. I'd take it home on holidays, and my bro, Dad, bro-in-law, and I would all be down in the basement playin' on a good ol' Commodore monitor. I think my Dad still has a PSX hooked up to that monitor in the basement.......the monitor that would never die.
--Randy
 
M.U.L.E. was one of my favorite games! I should go scrounge around at my parents place and try to find all that old stuff.
I also liked another EA game called Seven Cities of Gold. It would CONSTANTLY spin the floppy drive and make it overheat though so I think I traded or sold it to get a different game 🙁
At least I think I have M.U.L.E. for an Atari emulator somewhere...and maybe Archon. I don't even remember such a thing as a bad EA game back in those days 😀
 


<< Personally, I don't understand why some PC gamers feel so threatend by consoles and make such a big deal outta everything. Consoles have pros and cons, PCs have pros and cons. I could care less about the platform, I just want good games.


Lethal >>



Agreed. There are a lot of console games I like, a friend of mine has a PS2 and I love going over and playing a few games. But at the same time my PC has a few games that I absolutely love, and there's nothing for console systems that comes even close, IMHO. I loved Baldur's Gate II for the PC, I've played the BG games for PS2 and I just didn't like 'em at all. There are some games I like playing on a console, there are some games I like playing on a PC.. shrug.
 
Don't know whether any has said it or not. But *typically* there are contracts signed for platform exclusivity or else no one woould bother buying the consoles. Think different or buy more or whatever.
 
Does this mean SW Episode 3 might be created on the XBOX? 🙂


Anyway, I've noticed more and more PC game companies making console only games lately. Some I've wanted for the PC are EA's Knockout Kings 2002, EA's NFS:HS2, Infograme's Nascar Heat 2002, Infograme's Spashdown (I like SeaDoo 🙂 ), Rockstar's GTA (coming though).
Colin McRae Rally 3 will come for the PC later than xbox/ps2.

BTW, why is EA making NFS the sequel to NFS3 instead of to the latest (besides NFS5😛U) NFS4? The PS2 screenshots for NFS:HS2 look horrible.



 
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