Boy Scouts vote to allow gays.

[LTC8K6]

So voting to stop discriminating against some boys while still blatantly and openly discriminating thousands of others is hunky-dory?


BTW, I was a Girl Scout. The Girl Scouts, unlike the BSA, have always promoted acceptance & diversity.

Well, here is the statement:

Lifestyles
Sexual Orientation
The Girl Scouts value diversity and inclusiveness and, therefore, do not discriminate on any basis. However, we do not permit the advocacy or promotion of a personal lifestyle or sexual orientation, nor do we recruit accordingly. Indeed, we have firm standards relating to appropriate conduct on the part of all adults who work with girls. We believe that sexual orientation is a private matter for girls and their families to address.

http://www.gsiec.org/pdf/whatwestandfor.pdf

 

[smackababy]

Well, here is the statement:



http://www.gsiec.org/pdf/whatwestandfor.pdf

I am confused as to what you are trying to imply with that quote? They do not advocate any sexual orientation and find it inappropriate for any adult within the organization to promote sexual orientation of any nature. They state it is a private matter and discourage conduct making it non-private.

This is inline with what preCRT says.

 

[dougp]

I am confused as to what you are trying to imply with that quote? They do not advocate any sexual orientation and find it inappropriate for any adult within the organization to promote sexual orientation of any nature. They state it is a private matter and discourage conduct making it non-private.

This is inline with what preCRT says.

I don't believe that it's inline with what preCRT says, as that statement is not actually promoting diversity rather than just keeping it private.

 

[smackababy]

I don't believe that it's inline with what preCRT says, as that statement is not actually promoting diversity rather than just keeping it private.

The very first statement quoted says the value diversity and inclusiveness. Furthermore go on to state they do not support any advocacy of any sexual orientation and believe it is a private matte, which it really is. Who someone sleeps with is the business of that person and any consenting adults they choose to sleep with.

The promotion is not including people based on any sexual preference and acceptance of all sexual orientations.

 

[dougp]

The very first statement quoted says the value diversity and inclusiveness. Furthermore go on to state they do not support any advocacy of any sexual orientation and believe it is a private matte, which it really is. Who someone sleeps with is the business of that person and any consenting adults they choose to sleep with.

The promotion is not including people based on any sexual preference and acceptance of all sexual orientations.

You could have used that statement for the US military prior to DADT being abolished. Basically, we haven't seen an issue with the GSA like we do with the BSA, where established members (Eagle Scouts) are forcefully removed from Scouting due to (lack of) religion or sexual preference. My lack of knowledge on how the GSA operates, particularly in relation to religious affiliation and charter locations, fails to relate it to the BSA.

 

[smackababy]

You could have used that statement for the US military prior to DADT being abolished. Basically, we haven't seen an issue with the GSA like we do with the BSA, where established members (Eagle Scouts) are forcefully removed from Scouting due to (lack of) religion or sexual preference. My lack of knowledge on how the GSA operates, particularly in relation to religious affiliation and charter locations, fails to relate it to the BSA.

You can't use that statement because DADT did not stop discrimination in the military. It just said "as long as we don't know, you can't be punished". That did not stop openly gay service members from being removed due to sexual orientation. While, some of these service members were allowed to be reinstated, the damage was already done.

From what I have read (and not read) the GSA have no punished people based on religious affiliations (if any) or sexual orientation. I could be wrong in this, and simply just not aware of the facts. However, preCRT's stance, from what I understand, is that the BSA should have operated as the GSA from the start and these small steps are not to be over celebrated while the whole organization still discriminates. The idea that the overall discrimination overshadows any "acceptance" they are showing with this decision.

 

[dougp]

You can't use that statement because DADT did not stop discrimination in the military. It just said "as long as we don't know, you can't be punished". That did not stop openly gay service members from being removed due to sexual orientation. While, some of these service members were allowed to be reinstated, the damage was already done.

From what I have read (and not read) the GSA have no punished people based on religious affiliations (if any) or sexual orientation. I could be wrong in this, and simply just not aware of the facts. However, preCRT's stance, from what I understand, is that the BSA should have operated as the GSA from the start and these small steps are not to be over celebrated while the whole organization still discriminates. The idea that the overall discrimination overshadows any "acceptance" they are showing with this decision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Scouts_of_the_USA#No_official_stand_on_sexuality_and_gender_issues

Again, it doesn't appear to be an issue within the GSA - yet. With no official stance, it's hard to cause an issue - unlike the BSA, where there was an official stance. DADE is no different than DADT, in theory but the organization of GSA vs the US military each handle it in their own way. Both the BSA and GSA appear to behaving differently on the organizational level.

 

[smackababy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Scouts_of_the_USA#No_official_stand_on_sexuality_and_gender_issues

Again, it doesn't appear to be an issue within the GSA - yet. With no official stance, it's hard to cause an issue - unlike the BSA, where there was an official stance. DADE is no different than DADT, in theory but the organization of GSA vs the US military each handle it in their own way. Both the BSA and GSA appear to behaving differently on the organizational level.

From what it looks like, the GSA official stance is that it is a non-issue and adults of all sexual orientations are barred from displaying such acts, as well as advocacy of any. The problems arise from people who are against certain orientations being allowed and make a fuss. GSA have not, from what I can tell, even acknowledged the legitimacy of those making the fuss by making an arbitrary rule on their stance of acceptance.

It is like if there were no laws against same sex marriage, therefore making it legal, and a certain group crying about it so the federal government makes a law saying "same sex marriage is legal in the United States."