Yeah. Have you seen these things before? They are just stylish rusty tubes of beat up metal. They are worthless. I bet the teacher was a chick and freaked out when she saw it.
I won't debate that the parents dropped the ball here but the public officials went way overboard.
Why is it going overboard? At that time, they did not know it was deactivated. I know that some effort has to be put into actually setting one off (saftey pin removal, releasing the handle) but I'm sure as soon as the teacher saw it they didn't want to examine it themselves.
Well - the airport is a completely different vibe from SHOW AND TELL. Just FYI, show and tell is when you bring an INTERESTING object (such as a dead historic grenade) and show it. An airport is somewhere where you don't fool around at all with possible threats
a dead grenade is a piece of metal. I live grenade is a piece of metal that can kill
There's a difference
That's why the parent brings it into school directly to the teacher/supervisor and doesn't let the kid flaunt it around before show-and-tell.
my dad has an old grenade shell (minus the charge / pin, basically just the green "pineapple" part) that's pretty cool.
In this day and age though, I'm surprised the idiots didn't arrest the kid.
In this day and age though, I'm surprised the idiots didn't arrest the kid.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
People act as if Columbine was the first school shooting. It wasn't. Nor was it the case (even at that time) of the most children being killed in a school. The biggest difference was the type of media attention it was given and how our society has been turned into a society of fear. i.e. pussification of America has happened.
What's next? Little Jimmy's father was a plumber and little Jimmy brought a piece of pipe to school for show and tell. What's the difference between a pipe bomb and a piece of pipe? (about the same as the difference between a grenade and a grenade with the explosive removed; which is rather obvious to even 4th graders - I had the opportunity to handle such a grenade during 4th grade (or was it 2nd grade?) that a classmate brought in for show and tell.)
Once again, I feel lucky to live in an area of the country that hasn't been so pussified yet.
What's next? Little Jimmy's father was a plumber and little Jimmy brought a piece of pipe to school for show and tell. What's the difference between a pipe bomb and a piece of pipe? (about the same as the difference between a grenade and a grenade with the explosive removed; which is rather obvious to even 4th graders - I had the opportunity to handle such a grenade during 4th grade (or was it 2nd grade?) that a classmate brought in for show and tell.)
Once again, I feel lucky to live in an area of the country that hasn't been so pussified yet.
You this, I know this, and I am sure many other people know this too. However, the problem is that all it takes is few impressionable sheeple to blow the whole situation into a disaster. Combine that with how terrified the school systems are when it comes to potential lawsuits (and with good reason considering how they don't get much money as it stands) and there you have it. For people like you and I who have a bigger brain on our shoulders, it is still not worth it because of all the trouble it could potentially cause in our lives. I would feel like an irresponsible parent placing my kid in a situation which could get him in a lot of trouble. If I read in the paper tomorrow that some kid did this thinking it was ok and got expelled for it I wouldn't be shocked. It's not worth the risk even if that risk is kinda small. The bottom line is that the problem will never get solved until the media stops making money off of it which goes hand in hand with what you already said here.
From the article:
Even after seeing it was deactivated it was turned over to the bomb squad for disposal. Know what they probably did with it? Used it as a paperweight on someone's desk. Turning it over to the state police bomb squad is serious overkill.
Eh...considering the schools were not properly informed about the grenade coming to campus I would have called the police too who would then contact the bomb squad. It's just following proper procedure as far as the police and bomb squad are concerned at that point. Even though overkill might cross my mind before making the call, there is no way in hell I would risk my job in this situation let alone the remote possibility of the gren actually being live. It's not worth it.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Yes, that's probably a very good point. Anyone with half a brain these days should know to expect an over-reaction, and to avoid such over-reactions. i.e. don't send your 2nd grader to school with leftover steak, and a fork & knife to eat it with.
jonks
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I don't really care. If the class is going on a field trip to the museum to see old ammunition rendered safe, fine. For all I know from the classmate, it's a souvenir grandpa brought back from France and kept in his basement. It's not about the grenade so much as it is the source. Have the grandfather meet with the teacher/principal, explain he'd like his grandkid to bring it in, and after their review if it's an empty piece of metal, fine. I just don't want to take the word of the 2nd grader that the bomb in his backpack is fake.
My poll question focuses on the assurance solely of the 2nd grader, which is where I find the problem.
Lumathix
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Don't you people get it? If it looks mean then it must be evil!
It's the same way with certain firearms. If a firearm looks mean, it will kill you faster!
*sarcasm off*
What the hell kind of example are we teaching kids to have such a kneejerk response to a show-and-tell item. Turn the damn grenade over and you can see the hole in the bottom......I have a phucking paper weight sitting on my desk right now in the shape of a hand grenade, OMG we're gonna die!
It's the same way with certain firearms. If a firearm looks mean, it will kill you faster!
*sarcasm off*
What the hell kind of example are we teaching kids to have such a kneejerk response to a show-and-tell item. Turn the damn grenade over and you can see the hole in the bottom......I have a phucking paper weight sitting on my desk right now in the shape of a hand grenade, OMG we're gonna die!
I can only imagine the broken jaws from all the jerking knees if I were that age and took in some of the Nazi paraphernalia my grandfather gave me.
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