Boy, 8, Charged in Death of Infant Sister

Brutuskend

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Boy, 8, Charged in Death of Infant Sister
By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer
Tue Jul 19, 7:38 PM

TAMPA, Fla. - Prosecutors charged an 8-year-old boy with aggravated manslaughter Tuesday for kicking and punching his infant half sister and then hitting her in the face with a two-by-four, killing her.

If convicted, he could be held in a juvenile facility until his 21st birthday.

"We thought that the juvenile system was the place for him, where he can get the help he needs," state attorney spokeswoman Pam Bondi said in announcing that prosecutors had decided to file the criminal charge.

It wasn't an easy decision.

Jayza Laney Simms was 7 months old when she was killed in the May 22 attack. The boy, who isn't being identified because of his age, was visiting his father, his father's girlfriend and their two daughters - Jayza and a toddler - at their home in east Tampa.

The adults were outside talking with friends after putting the children to bed when the boy came out and said the baby was bleeding, authorities said.

By the time the parents could get her to an emergency room, Jayza was dead.

The boy initially denied beating the baby. But he confessed later, after investigators reviewed autopsy results and confronted him again, authorities said. They said he was jealous of the attention showered on the baby and angry that night because she wouldn't stop crying.

Investigators had never seen a crime in which a young child had displayed "so much violence and so little remorse," police spokeswoman Laura McElroy said.

Bondi said prosecutors struggled with how to handle it.

"We never thought we'd have to be researching how to charge an 8-year-old accused of such a terrible crime," Bondi said.

English common law dating back centuries says children under 8 can't be held accountable for their actions, and children are presumed to be unable to form criminal intent before about age 15.

Experts say there are fewer than a half-dozen cases of children 8 or younger who commit murder each year. In 2002, the most recent year for which statistics were available, there were just three, according to the FBI.

Jayza's brother will be tried in juvenile court for aggravated manslaughter if a plea deal isn't reached first.

Neither of the boy's parents has publicly discussed the case. He lived with his mother in Lakeland and visited his father.

 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Boy, 8, Charged in Death of Infant Sister
By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer
Tue Jul 19, 7:38 PM

TAMPA, Fla. -

no need to read further.

not the kids its the parents. you must understand.
 

Triumph

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these days? atrocities have been happening since the dawn of time. i don't believe stories like these are necessarily an indication of our times. "the good ol' days" never were.
 

Toasthead

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Originally posted by: Triumph
these days? atrocities have been happening since the dawn of time. i don't believe stories like these are necessarily an indication of our times. "the good ol' days" never were.

yeah, but back in the 'good 'ole days' we DID something about it. Nowadays its all about making sure the criminal is treated as nicely as possible...we dont want to upset them or make their life any harder than it should be.


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Journer

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how can an 8yr old beat someone with a 2x4...i dont know many 9yr olds tha can even pick on up....

none the less the child is insane and needs to be put down...further investigation of the parrents would prolly show neglect. maybe they will get jailtime too.
 

ruffilb

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Originally posted by: HN
florida again??

TAMPA again... same place with the teacher... I moved away from tampa just this year...

I think I actually knew of that family.
 

dornick

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Originally posted by: Toasthead
Originally posted by: Triumph
these days? atrocities have been happening since the dawn of time. i don't believe stories like these are necessarily an indication of our times. "the good ol' days" never were.

yeah, but back in the 'good 'ole days' we DID something about it. Nowadays its all about making sure the criminal is treated as nicely as possible...we dont want to upset them or make their life any harder than it should be.


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Well, I hardly think an 8 year kid qualifies as a hardened "criminal". He obviously has psych problems and should be treated as such

edit: spelin
 

Triumph

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Originally posted by: Toasthead
Originally posted by: Triumph
these days? atrocities have been happening since the dawn of time. i don't believe stories like these are necessarily an indication of our times. "the good ol' days" never were.

yeah, but back in the 'good 'ole days' we DID something about it. Nowadays its all about making sure the criminal is treated as nicely as possible...we dont want to upset them or make their life any harder than it should be.


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True, but I really don't think you can classify an 8 year old as a criminal. The boy has serious problems, that's for sure.
 

Journer

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Originally posted by: Toasthead
Originally posted by: Triumph
these days? atrocities have been happening since the dawn of time. i don't believe stories like these are necessarily an indication of our times. "the good ol' days" never were.

yeah, but back in the 'good 'ole days' we DID something about it. Nowadays its all about making sure the criminal is treated as nicely as possible...we dont want to upset them or make their life any harder than it should be.


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i agree...that is so much bs...why didnt they have as much crime in medevil days or in ancient arbic areas...bcuz if you did something wrong they would slice off a body part or kill you...makes ppl think twice b4 they act stupid...now a days the worst people have to worry about is a quaint little injection or some jailtime...woo
 

Lasthitlarry

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Kids are just gettin older and older arent they?

Need to lower the age limit on a bunch of stuff.

I agree about it being the parents tho, they must have noticed some aggression with him.

Was he in charge of watching the infant while the parents went out and bought crack or what?
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Toasthead
Originally posted by: Triumph
these days? atrocities have been happening since the dawn of time. i don't believe stories like these are necessarily an indication of our times. "the good ol' days" never were.

yeah, but back in the 'good 'ole days' we DID something about it. Nowadays its all about making sure the criminal is treated as nicely as possible...we dont want to upset them or make their life any harder than it should be.


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Well, actually, according to the article, we DIDN'T do much about it:

English common law dating back centuries says children under 8 can't be held accountable for their actions, and children are presumed to be unable to form criminal intent before about age 15.

Note the "dating back centuries" part.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Toasthead
Originally posted by: Triumph
these days? atrocities have been happening since the dawn of time. i don't believe stories like these are necessarily an indication of our times. "the good ol' days" never were.

yeah, but back in the 'good 'ole days' we DID something about it. Nowadays its all about making sure the criminal is treated as nicely as possible...we dont want to upset them or make their life any harder than it should be.


:|

Well, actually, according to the article, we DIDN'T do much about it:

English common law dating back centuries says children under 8 can't be held accountable for their actions, and children are presumed to be unable to form criminal intent before about age 15.

Note the "dating back centuries" part.

Before the US was actually created, and it was just the colonies, we were pretty damn harsh with children. Kids as young as 3 or 4 were put in jail. Things sure have changed.
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Toasthead
Originally posted by: Triumph
these days? atrocities have been happening since the dawn of time. i don't believe stories like these are necessarily an indication of our times. "the good ol' days" never were.

yeah, but back in the 'good 'ole days' we DID something about it. Nowadays its all about making sure the criminal is treated as nicely as possible...we dont want to upset them or make their life any harder than it should be.


:|

Well, actually, according to the article, we DIDN'T do much about it:

English common law dating back centuries says children under 8 can't be held accountable for their actions, and children are presumed to be unable to form criminal intent before about age 15.

Note the "dating back centuries" part.

Before the US was actually created, and it was just the colonies, we were pretty damn harsh with children. Kids as young as 3 or 4 were put in jail. Things sure have changed.

yes we now have a better grasp of pyschology and understand that jailing children causes irreversible pyschological trauma which can create greater societal problems down the road.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Journer
how can an 8yr old beat someone with a 2x4...i dont know many 9yr olds tha can even pick on up....

none the less the child is insane and needs to be put down...further investigation of the parrents would prolly show neglect. maybe they will get jailtime too.

I'd say better luck next life and be done with it.
 

pclstyle

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won't identify the boy, but will give out the name of the sister, his age, and the location? so much for anonymity, anyone with 10 minutes on their hands could find out who he is
 

CVSiN

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Originally posted by: Journer
how can an 8yr old beat someone with a 2x4...i dont know many 9yr olds tha can even pick on up....

none the less the child is insane and needs to be put down...further investigation of the parrents would prolly show neglect. maybe they will get jailtime too.

yeh well kids are developing very fast now..
my my girlfriend has a 12 year old daughter that could pass for 21+ as long as she doesnt talk.. (immaturity and age shows when she talks)
fully developed girl at 12.. = scary stuff if your a parent and I see them all the time... and guys that look like they should be playing pro football by 12-13..
kids are developing 2x faster than they did when I was growing up it seems..

whats in the food we are feedign the kids these days Miracle gro?

 

Pepsei

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the kid is displaying the same behavior as an adult chimp that goes crazy and rip off some guy's arm and beat the guy to death with the stump.
 

dugweb

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:Q thats horrible :(

i dont know if you can pin this all on the perants either, kids have horrible judgement, and don't for see the consequences of thier actions regardless of how much thier perants try to teach them. My niece bawls her head off for the most trivial things. It's unfortunately just a horrible situation. The perants could have prevented it, but no one is or can be 100% vigelent watching thier kids
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Pepsei
the kid is displaying the same behavior as an adult chimp that goes crazy and rip off some guy's arm and beat the guy to death with the stump.

They get shot though because they pose a threat to man...what's the difference here?
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: Journer
how can an 8yr old beat someone with a 2x4...i dont know many 9yr olds tha can even pick on up....

none the less the child is insane and needs to be put down...further investigation of the parrents would prolly show neglect. maybe they will get jailtime too.

yeh well kids are developing very fast now..
my my girlfriend has a 12 year old daughter that could pass for 21+ as long as she doesnt talk.. (immaturity and age shows when she talks)
fully developed girl at 12.. = scary stuff if your a parent and I see them all the time... and guys that look like they should be playing pro football by 12-13..
kids are developing 2x faster than they did when I was growing up it seems..

whats in the food we are feedign the kids these days Miracle gro?

steroids that we give the animals so they can grow faster