Bought Opteron 165, DFI NF4 Ultra-D, RAM from friend, CPU doesn't OC nearly as well for me

Micand

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Howdy! I recently purchased a used AMD Opteron 165 processor, DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D motherboard, and two 1 GB sticks of Geil PC4000 RAM from a friend. He had been running the CPU at 2.6 GHz with a 1.4 v vcore (stock vcore being 1.35 v) ever since buying the hardware new a year-and-a-half ago. Limited experimentation on his part suggested he could run as high as 3.0 GHz on that voltage, albeit with compromised stability.

Sadly, since installing the processor, motherboard, and RAM myself, I haven't been able to get anywhere near 2.5 GHz. With my vcore at 1.45 v, HTT at 280, and CPU multiplier at 9 for a clockspeed of 2520 MHz, Prime95 fails after one minute. At a vcore of 1.5 v (the highest I dare test at), a HTT of 290 and CPU multiplier of 9, yielding a clockspeed of 2610 MHz, Prime95 crashed immediately upon launching it. Throughout my overclocking adventures, I have kept the memory/HTT divider at 1:2, so my RAM has never been running above 145 MHz, with relaxed timings. Upping DRAM voltage from the default 2.6 v to 2.7 v or 2.8 v yields no improvement. The PCI express bus has remained locked at 100 MHz. I've tried the LDT/FSB frequency ratio both at "auto" (which I understand is a good setting for this board, regardless of HTT) and to numbers yielding the closest approximation to 1000 without exceeding it.

The only major change from my friend's hardware configuration is my power supply, a 550 W Enermax EG565V-PE ? I'm using exactly the same CPU, motherboard, and RAM that he was. My power supply, as well as all my other hardware, was previously in a system using the same model of motherboard and an AMD64 3200+ 1.8 GHz Venice, which I had been running perfectly stably at 2.78 GHz for the preceding two-and-a-half years.

Idle temperatures are around 24 C, only a couple degrees above ambient; load temperatures, even at a vcore of 1.475, never exceed 45 C. I'm using a Thermalright SI-120 heatsink, which I took great pains to lap to a mirror finish; for thermal interface material I'm using Arctic Silver 5, which I applied exactly in accordance with the official instructions. Mounted on the heatsink is a Delta 120 mm fan pushing 130 CFM. I also lapped the chipset heatsink and then applied Arctic Silver 5 to it; the chipset's temperature hovers around 35 C. Cooling throughout the rest of the case is quite ample, particularly since I have my side panel off.

The one hazy area is with BIOS revisions ? before I began overclocking, I flashed to the latest BIOS provided by DFI, 2006/04/06. After receiving poor results with the official 2006/04/06, I flashed to the official 2005/11/14, but saw no improvement. Both flashes had been performed with WinFlash, and I had neglected to clear the CMOS after flashing, though I had used the ?load optimized defaults? function both before and after flashing. In talking to my friend, I learned he had installed a version modified by OCZ Tony using Tmod's bootable BIOS flash CD (http://www.diy-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22031), but could not remember what version he used. I, of course, overwrote it with my ill-thought-out initial flash. I tried flashing to OCZ Tony's 704-2bta, which I assumed to be very similar to the version my friend had been using, if not exactly the same. To do so, I used Tmod's bootable BIOS flash CD, not WinFlash. Afterwards, I was careful to shut down the system, remove the power cord, remove the CMOS battery, and activate the clear CMOS jumper for ten minutes. Still, upon loading optimized defaults, I saw no improvement in overclocking results.

What could possibly account for the discrepancy in overclocking results between my friend and I? Using almost the same hardware, save for a different power supply (which ought to be more than up to the task), why can I not even reach 2.6 GHz stable with a 1.5 v vcore, while my friend achieved it all-but effortlessly with only a 1.4 v vcore? Anything above 2.6 GHz, such as the 3 GHz at which he was able to boot Windows and run Prime95 at, is but a pipe dream. Temperatures seem well within the acceptable range, and while BIOS version discrepancies are a cause for some concern, I saw no improvement moving between two official revisions, as well as a modified one by OCZ Tony. Could the hardware possibly have been damaged during shipping? Given that it was shipped from North Carolina to Alberta, Canada, could some border official have handled it outside of an anti-static bag and caused electrostatic discharge-related damage (even though it sounds quite ludicrous that the damage would manifest itself in so subtle a manner)? Is there anything I might try to obtain the results that my friend did with the very hardware he sold to me?

Thanks,

Jeff
 

Denithor

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Well, if you're going to cut yourself...use a dull butter knife and make a video to post on Youtube. At least the rest of us can laugh at your experience then.

First off, is the system stable at stock speeds? Put it under load @ stock and make sure of that before going into any overclocking.

If the system is stable @ stock, run memtest86 on the RAM if you haven't already just to make sure that's not the problem either.

Have you lowered the HT ratio (been a long time since I've messed with AMD, forgive me if I have forgotten the correct terms)? I know that has to stay below 1000 I think (multiplier/factor times FSB < 1000).
 

myocardia

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You have to have all four power connectors plugged into the motherboard, five if you include the detachable part of the 24-pin ATX plug, before you can really overclock these boards. Also, you shouldn't have any problems at all reaching >300 Mhz HTT on the latest official BIOS.

Speaking of BIOS's, it doesn't sound to me like you actually cleared the BIOS. After unplugging your power supply from the wall, hold in your case power button for 60-90 seconds, then remove the battery, then leave the CMOS clear jumper in the shorted position for 20-30 minutes. Once you put everything back to how it started, you won't need to load optimized defaults-- it will already be done for you, if you left the CMOS jumper shorted for long enough.

And lastly, ask your friend what subtimings he was using with that RAM. You won't be able to use the same settings that you used with your other system. You'll need to know what he used for Trc, Trfc, Tref, DRAM Drive Strength, DRAM Data Drive Strength, DRAM Response Time (that will most likely be "Normal"), and Idle Cycle Limit. Good luck, and welcome to anandtech.
 

Micand

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Thank you both for the suggestions, and for the welcome.

Originally posted by: Denithor
First off, is the system stable at stock speeds? Put it under load @ stock and make sure of that before going into any overclocking. ...

The system does indeed seem stable at stock, as it just completed a ten-hour run of two instances of Prime95 without error. I shall now try to run Memtest86+ for several hours.

Throughout my overclocking attempts, I have tried both keeping the LDT/FSB ratio on auto, which supposedly is ideal on this board no matter one's HTT, and manipulating it manually to yield a number as close to 1000 as possible, without exceeding it. Neither has had any visible effect on stability.

Originally posted by: myocardia
You have to have all four power connectors plugged into the motherboard, five if you include the detachable part of the 24-pin ATX plug ...

I do indeed have all four (including the full 24 pins of the ATX connector) power connectors attached. I also unplugged and replugged each to verify that the connections were good. I'm using the same physical PSU connectors in the same plugs as on my other DFI NF4 Ultra-D-based setup (that ran a 3200+ Venice @ 2.8 GHz without issue), so all four ought to be supplying power properly.

I followed your suggested procedure when I performed my last BIOS upgrade, including unplugging from the wall, removing the battery, holding the case power button down, and leaving the CMOS clear jumper in the shorted position for 20 minutes -- I just didn't spell it out as my initial post was already so darned long. I loaded optimized defaults just to be on the safe side, even though all the settings had already been reset.

I already asked my friend what subtimings he had used with the RAM, but he could not recall. At any rate, throughout my testing, all timing-related values have been left at default, while the RAM divider was set to 1:2, meaning the RAM's frequency never exceeded 145 MHz. For giggles, I tried other dividers that yielded a frequency closer to 200 MHz, but they had neither a positive nor negative effect on stability.
 

Regalk

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One of the things I learnt with this board is not to mess with it too much especially memory. This board is picky about memory and timings - Once you have figured the timings out you should be good.
I can pm you my memory timings if you want (I run 2 DFI systems at at 325 X 9 not in my sig).
 

Micand

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Originally posted by: Regalk
I can pm you my memory timings if you want (I run 2 DFI systems at at 325 X 9 not in my sig).

Sure, please do. It will be much appreciated.
 

Regalk

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Let me check to see if you pm'd me - You did not send me a PM as of 6:08PM!
 

myocardia

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What exact RAM are you running, Micand? And Auto settings don't work with DFI motherboards, unless you're running BH-5 or TCCD RAM in them. BTW, I've got more Ultra-D's than Regalk has, and have had ~10 different sets of RAM in them, and I had to figure out the subtimings for all of them. This set was definitely my favorite, though.;)
 

Micand

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Thank you both for your responses.

Originally posted by: Regalk
You did not send me a PM as of 6:08PM!

My apologies -- I did not know you were waiting for me to PM you. I just sent you a private message asking about your RAM timings.

Originally posted by: myocardia
What exact RAM are you running, Micand?

Alas, I do not know, for heatspreaders are applied to the RAM and so I am unable to see its chips. All I know is that it's Geil PC4000. Is it not the CPU that is holding me back? Even with relaxed timings, command per clock disabled, RAM:HTT dividers ranging from 1:2, 2:3, and 5:6, and any of 2.6 v, 2.7 v, or 2.8 v applied to the RAM, the system exhibits the same behaviour -- with a CPU vcore of 1.4 v, two instances of Prime95 run concurrently fail instantly at 276*9=2484 MHz, within 8 minutes at 272*9=2448 MHz, and are stable for 12 hours at 270*9=2430 MHz. With a vcore of 1.5 v, at 280*9=2520 MHz, two instances of Prime run for 19 hours without erroring, but fail within one minute at 285*9=2565 MHz.

Any additional assistance will be much appreciated.
 

Regalk

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I sent my memory settings to you - note my OCZ runs at 209 (they are PC3200 rated at 2.5 3 3 7) . Your memory may be different. good luck
 

Regalk

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Originally posted by: myocardia
.. I've got more Ultra-D's than Regalk has, and have had ~10 different sets of RAM in them, and I had to figure out the subtimings for all of them. This set was definitely my favorite, though.;)

Just one other thing be careful with swapping memory in/out of this board. Myocardia must be special since it appears that he was able to achieve the near impossible. I swapped out my OCZ for another set of OCZ gold and the board refused to boot afterwards. I tried just about everything suggested on DFI-street and was about to give up and give the board away after 3-5 weeks. Then I hotswapped the bios chip from my other board and reflashed and got it going again. Since then I left it alone.