Question Bought a new CPU, now my PC won't boot.

[i39100f]

Hello, I bought a i3-9100f brand new to replace my old G3930. The computer won't start with the i3-9100f but it starts with the G3930 just fine.

The specs:
Motherboard: ASUS H110M-K
RAM: 1x 8GB DDR4
GPU: GTX 1060 6GB
SSD: 120GB Intel
Power Supply: Corsair VS450

What I have tried:
Updating the BIOS (it was already up to date).
Clearing the CMOS.
Checking if the older CPU still works after trying the new one (it does).

 

[ubern00b]

Hello, I bought a i3-9100f brand new to replace my old G3930. The computer won't start with the i3-9100f but it starts with the G3930 just fine.

The specs:
Motherboard: ASUS H110M-K
RAM: 1x 8GB DDR4
GPU: GTX 1060 6GB
SSD: 120GB Intel
Power Supply: Corsair VS450

What I have tried:
Updating the BIOS (it was already up to date).
Clearing the CMOS.
Checking if the older CPU still works after trying the new one (it does).

Your mother board only supports up to intel 7th gen processors, no 8 or 9 gen support

https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/H110M-K/HelpDesk_CPU/

in short return the i3 9100 and buy a 7 series or buy a new motherboard that supports 9th gen processors

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...0025694/processors/intel-core-processors.html

 

[i39100f]

Your mother board only supports up to intel 7th gen processors, no 8 or 9 gen support

https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/H110M-K/HelpDesk_CPU/

in short return the i3 9100 and buy a 7 series or buy a new motherboard that supports 9th gen processors

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...0025694/processors/intel-core-processors.html

Thank you, I'll see if the return is possible on monday.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I still maintain that Intel was WRONG not to move the "notch" on 1151 300-series platform, as compared to the original 1151 socket platform, due to CPU incompatibility.

There's no reason to allow for this kind of error. Except Intel saved a few $$$ in terms of their packaging and test equipment. But then, there was no reason to make those platforms arbitrarily incompatible, then, either. (There are Chinese-made mobos that can take both series of 1151 CPUs, regardless.)

I won't make fun of you. OP, because this issue is really Intel's fault. They haven't been thoroughly clear about the (arbitrary) incompatibility, and they didn't make the parts (physically) incompatible, although, they could have and SHOULD HAVE, if the 300-series 1151 were in fact another platform altogether. The existence of Chinese boards that are bi-compatible (all 1151 physically-compatible CPU), proves that Intel's choice to make them (electrically) incompatible on (mainstream branded) boards, was arbitrary. If they had really wanted to, they could have maintained technical compatibility, and allowed for an upgrade path for some of these boards. (Granted, I wouldn't necessarily expect that out of a lowly H110-series board, but higher-end boards, sure.)

 

[UsandThem]

I still maintain that Intel was WRONG not to move the "notch" on 1151 300-series platform, as compared to the original 1151 socket platform, due to CPU incompatibility.

I still remember Newegg having several CPU and motherboard bundles where they were bundling incompatible Sky Lake and Kaby Lake motherboards with the new 8th gen CPUs.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Yeah, that sounds like Newegg. I've seen bundles with like an AMD CPU and an Intel mobo, or something along those lines, once or twice. Newegg does have a disclaimer, stating that the bundled items may not be compatible with each other. Most people assume that they will, though.

A friend of mine bought some mobos (FM2 era), with some DDR3 RAM (Edit: In a particular Newegg combo deal, with basically free RAM), well, that RAM turned out to be in-compatible with those particular boards. I swapped some of my GSKill RAM with him, to get him up and running. I took the RAM I got in exchange, and it ran just fine in an Intel CPU-based rig that I built for someone else.

RAM compatibility can be especially finicky, sometimes, and definitely non-obvious. AMD's AM4 platform has struggled with that in the past, but they really improved things quite a bit these days. My last few AM4 boards were trouble-free, as far as even getting 4 sticks of off-brand DDR4-3000 (probably Hynix chips) working, out of the box, at XMP DDR4-3000 settings, without issue.

With prior AM4 boards (first generation), I never did get those same sticks working at XMP speeds properly.

 

[ehume]

I remember back in 2009 I bought an obsolete Antec case with PSU from Newegg. They should have known and done better. I didn't have time to do my homework back then, but it shows that Newegg has been peddling whatever they have on their shelves for a decade.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I remember back in 2009 I bought an obsolete Antec case with PSU from Newegg. They should have known and done better.

Was that one of the Antec PSUs that had larger dimensions, and only worked with a few of their own-branded specific cases. Like a CP850 or something PSU? Does that ring a bell?

 

[ehume]

Was that one of the Antec PSUs that had larger dimensions, and only worked with a few of their own-branded specific cases. Like a CP850 or something PSU? Does that ring a bell?

I remember those extra-sized PSUs, but they came after the combo I bought. I got an NSK 4480 II. It might have had a 380W PSU incorporated in the top of the case. The main limitation was that it only could accommodate an 80mm fan up front; the rest of the face was steel. By that time cases had bottom-mounted PSU's, and space for at least a 120mm fan up front.

The NSK 4480 II was a bad case. Antec should never have "made" it; Newegg should never have sold it. The big lesson was not to trust brands but to trust reviews of individual components.

 

[Arkaign]

The entire era of recent Intel 'generations' has been thoroughly insulting.

What we got :

2000/3000 series
4000 series
5000 series
6000/7000 series
8000/9000 series

5 different mobos needed to be compatible with these

What we should have gotten (at minimum)

2000/3000/4000 series
5000/6000/7000 series
8000/9000/10K series

Even that would be stretching credulity given the very loose CL refresh, which amounts to basically more SKUs than a tick/tock situation. Indeed :

i5-8400
i5-8500 (9400)
i5-8600
i5-8650 (9600)
i7-8700
i7-8750 (9700)
i9-8900
i9-8950 (upcoming 9900KFC edition)

It would make more sense than what they did.

Hopefully pressure and good examples by AMD improve their future plans, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[jpiniero]

I still believe what happened with LGA 1151 is that Intel intended to allow backwards compatibility (but not forward) so they didn't have to make a new quad core die/package, and just rebrand Kaby Lake for the quad cores. But they changed their mind at some point, and it was too late to change things.

 

[BigDaveX]

The entire era of recent Intel 'generations' has been thoroughly insulting.

What we got :

2000/3000 series
4000 series
5000 series
6000/7000 series
8000/9000 series

5 different mobos needed to be compatible with these

What we should have gotten (at minimum)

2000/3000/4000 series
5000/6000/7000 series
8000/9000/10K series

Even that would be stretching credulity given the very loose CL refresh, which amounts to basically more SKUs than a tick/tock situation. Indeed :

i5-8400
i5-8500 (9400)
i5-8600
i5-8650 (9600)
i7-8700
i7-8750 (9700)
i9-8900
i9-8950 (upcoming 9900KFC edition)

It would make more sense than what they did.

Hopefully pressure and good examples by AMD improve their future plans, but I won't hold my breath.

From what I've read, the basic electrical design of Intel's LGA115x sockets remained unchanged all the way from Lynnfield to Kaby Lake. They changed sockets with Sandy Bridge due to them moving the clock generator on-die (plus I think some changes in the way the iGPU interfaced with the rest of the system), then Haswell due to them incorporating the Fully Integrated Voltage Regulator, and then again with Skylake due to it removing the FIVR. I'd imagine that Intel would have at least kept Skylake socket-compatible with Haswell/Broadwell if not for that change, but you never know.

In one way, Intel changing sockets each generation was kind of a good thing since you at least knew what motherboard and chipset you'd need for a Sandy/Ivy Bridge, Haswell/Broadwell, or Skylake and its successors - as opposed to the situation we had with Socket AM2 and AM3, where they were theoretically interoperable with a vast number of available processors, but it was completely undermined by motherboard makers frequently underspeccing the power delivery and being worse than useless with updating the BIOSes to support new CPUs - but having two incompatible LGA1151 variants really screwed things up.