UPDATE We found a used 2013 Toyota Sienna XLE (with 16,400 miles) that was used as a loaner vehicle at the dealership. We talked the dealer down to 26. Maybe he was under the impression we were going to finance through the dealership? Tax, title, etc came to $27,200. I hope to heck this was a good deal. We are buying it for the long haul and not really that much interested in its resale value. (Looking to own it for 10-12 years.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - So my wife wants a minivan and I want to be castrated... :| We've narrowed it down to 2014 Kia Sedona EX and Honda 2013 (used) EX. We cannot find any Toyota Sienna 2013s that are not astronomically priced here in NC. 2014s are out of the question for Toyota and Honda because of the package she wants (most important: sliding doors for our twin babies) is like buying a house. So in my research in Honda in looking for problems, I see three recalls for the Odyssey but do not affect the one we're looking at, VIN is not in the series of recall cars. However, there is a new service bulletin that does affect the vehicle: TSB 13-081: Warranty Extension: MIL Comes On With DTCs P0301 Through P0304. The PDF doesn't say anything at this time except there will be an extension to the powertrain warranty. No cause or repair is mentioned in the bulletin (http://techinfo.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A13-081.PDF) However, another bulletin sounds the same (http://techinfo.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/a13-078.PDF) If you cannot view it, the main part says: So should I stay away from this vehicle and keep searching?