Boston Globe reports Kerry claims credit for war time action WHEN HE WASN"T EVEN THERE!

heartsurgeon

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The Boston Globe reports that Kerry has taken credit for war time actions, including dangerous combat activities, skippering "Swift Boat 94" in Vietnam.....when he wasn't even there!!!

Discrepancies noted in Kerry's record
Ex-skipper says website wrong
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | April 23, 2004

WASHINGTON -- Vietnam combat records posted on John F. Kerry's campaign website for the month of January 1969 as evidence of his service aboard swift boat No. 94 describe action that occurred before Kerry was skipper of that craft, according to the officer who said he commanded the boat at the time.

On the site, the Massachusetts senator is described as the skipper of Navy boat No. 94 during several actions in late January 1969.

However, Edward Peck, who was the skipper of the 94 before Kerry took over, said combat reports posted by the campaign for January 1969 involve action when he was the skipper, not Kerry. Peck, who was seriously wounded in fighting that took place on Jan. 29, 1969, said he believes Kerry campaign aides made a mistake in claiming Kerry as skipper of the 94 at that time.


On the Kerry website, the report of the combat on that day on the 94 boat is posted as occurring during Kerry's time as skipper of the boat. Peck said Kerry replaced him after the Jan. 29, 1969, event.

"Those are definitely mine," Peck said, referring to the combat reports that the Kerry campaign posted as representing Kerry's action. "There is no doubt about it."

A Kerry campaign spokesman, Michael Meehan, said in an e-mail that the campaign had obtained the combat reports for the 94 from the Navy. He did not directly address the question of why the campaign describes Kerry being skipper of the 94 at a time when Peck says he commanded the boat.

The reports at issue are in a 20-page batch representing Kerry's combat in January 1969. The reports include references to some dramatic action, including an ambush of Patrol Craft Fast, or PCF, 94. In addition to posting the information online, the campaign sent out an e-mail yesterday afternoon repeating the claim that Kerry was the skipper of the 94 boat throughout January and describing action the campaign said Kerry experienced while commanding the craft.

For example, in a summary of action that occurred Jan. 26, 1969, the campaign says Kerry served on boat No. 94 alongside another boat, No. 66. "PCFs 94 and 66 escorted troops up the Ong Doc River early in the morning when they were ambushed by gun and rocket fire from approximately 40 men on both sides of the river," the campaign summary says. "Two B-40 rounds hit close to Kerry's boat, while PCF 66 received 2 B-40 rocket hits. Three men on PCF66 were wounded. A junk containing South Vietnamese troops was also sunk, killing 11 South Vietnamese troops. Intelligence reports after the mission indicated that the Viet Cong troops may have planned the ambush in advance."

Peck said he was the skipper of the 94 at this time and that Kerry was not on the craft. While combat reports show several boats traveling with the 94, the campaign website says only that Kerry was the skipper of the 94 and does not try to place him on the other boats.

In another report, the campaign summarizes action that took place on Jan. 29, 1969, this way: "While Kerry's boat and another [PCF72] were probing a canal along the river, Kerry's boat came under heavy fire and was hit by a B-40 rocket in the cabin area. One member of Kerry's crew -- Forward Gunner David Alston -- suffered shrapnel wounds in his head. His injuries were not considered serious and he was sent to the 29th Evac Hospital at Binh Thuy."

Peck said he was the skipper on this day as well. Peck was also injured in the ambush and was hospitalized.

As a result, Kerry then took over the crew, Peck said. The Navy combat report posted by the Kerry campaign states that Peck and Alston were injured in the same event. There is no mention of Kerry in that report.

Kerry's commanding officer, George Elliott, said in a telephone interview that he vividly recalls Peck's injury and hospitalization and Kerry's replacement of Peck. "I think somebody made a mistake who doesn't know" the timing of Kerry's service, Elliott said. Kerry was skipper of boat No. 44 in December and January before taking over command of the 94, he said.

i'm sure this waqs just an innocent mistake by Kerry's aides (i'm sure he was so busy skiing in Idaho and missing all those Senate votes in D.C., that he didn't have time to personally review his own website layout), and not an effort to sex-up Kerry's military record.
Nope, not a chance...not Kerry...

 

classy

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Sorta like Bush collecting a check and he wasn't even showing up for weekend warrior duty. But at least Kerry wasn't slumped over somewhere drunk and doing drugs like our honorable President.
:p
 

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Yep, Heart really needs to get a life. Continuing to bring up Kerry's war record like it is some sort of bad thing just keeps and keeps and keeps backfiring on the cons. Heart is like the enegizer bunny, he just keeps going and going.... nowhere.
 

kage69

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Yeah, he's been crackin me up too. Like Bush is some damn war hero. Sure there's stuff about Kerry that's kinda sketchy. But we know he didn't have Daddy Dearest land him a cushy job in the Air National Guard. Hey HS, has Bush ever been shot at with anything more substantial than a keg hose? Then stfu.
 

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Uh, those records were obtained from the Navy. Maybe Kerry is too busy to read everything on his web site and edit it for accuracy?

Really, HS, Bush was wacking off and snorting cocaine when Kerry was getting his ass shot.

-Robert
 

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while Kerry Was shooting vietcong, Bush Was Shooting Whiskey


While Kerry Was Risking his Life, Bush Was Wasting His.
 

heartsurgeon

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i'm sure this waqs just an innocent mistake by Kerry's aides (i'm sure he was so busy skiing in Idaho and missing all those Senate votes in D.C., that he didn't have time to personally review his own website layout), and not an effort to sex-up Kerry's military record.
Nope, not a chance...not Kerry...
Why are you guys beating up on poor ol' me? I defended Kerry on this one..you must have misunderstood the nuance of my statement..
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: smashp
while Kerry Was shooting vietcong, Bush Was Shooting Whiskey





While Kerry Was Risking his Life, Bush Was Wasting His.

Umm, yeh.

Owning and running the rangers was a waste of time. Being governor of Texas shouldnt count as an accomplishment. Everyone knows anyone that wants to can become president.

I should waste my life so well
 

Strk

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Umm, yeh.

Owning and running the rangers was a waste of time. Being governor of Texas shouldnt count as an accomplishment. Everyone knows anyone that wants to can become president.

I should waste my life so well

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing he was talking about what Bush was doing at the same time Kerry was over in Vietnam, not what Bush did 20 years later.
 

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Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: smashp
while Kerry Was shooting vietcong, Bush Was Shooting Whiskey





While Kerry Was Risking his Life, Bush Was Wasting His.

Umm, yeh.

Owning and running the rangers was a waste of time. Being governor of Texas shouldnt count as an accomplishment. Everyone knows anyone that wants to can become president.

I should waste my life so well


That happened long after the period in question.
 

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Originally posted by: classy
Sorta like Bush collecting a check and he wasn't even showing up for weekend warrior duty. But at least Kerry wasn't slumped over somewhere drunk and doing drugs like our honorable President.
:p

Nope....Kerry was just having meeting with a group of people Plotting to kill all of Congress. LOL
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: smashp
while Kerry Was shooting vietcong, Bush Was Shooting Whiskey





While Kerry Was Risking his Life, Bush Was Wasting His.

Umm, yeh.

Owning and running the rangers was a waste of time. Being governor of Texas shouldnt count as an accomplishment. Everyone knows anyone that wants to can become president.

I should waste my life so well


That happened long after the period in question.

Im sorry, somehow I got the impression we were talkin about during a persons life.

I think people need to take a look at this from the other side of the fence. If such a glaring mistake were made on the Bush site the libbies would be all over it. I think it's a non issue myself. Mistakes happen and picking up on little mistakes like this is counter productive to intelligent debate. ( I might not make many intelligent arguments, but I like to read them)


:beer:
 

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For all we know, that reference on the website might've been a typo. The researcher didn't even bother to ask Kerry if its true or not. I mean if you're going challenge some facts, aren't you supposed to collect info from both sides?
 

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
The Boston Globe reports that Kerry has taken credit for war time actions, including dangerous combat activities, skippering "Swift Boat 94" in Vietnam.....when he wasn't even there!!!

Discrepancies noted in Kerry's record
Ex-skipper says website wrong
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | April 23, 2004

WASHINGTON -- Vietnam combat records posted on John F. Kerry's campaign website for the month of January 1969 as evidence of his service aboard swift boat No. 94 describe action that occurred before Kerry was skipper of that craft, according to the officer who said he commanded the boat at the time.

On the site, the Massachusetts senator is described as the skipper of Navy boat No. 94 during several actions in late January 1969.

However, Edward Peck, who was the skipper of the 94 before Kerry took over, said combat reports posted by the campaign for January 1969 involve action when he was the skipper, not Kerry. Peck, who was seriously wounded in fighting that took place on Jan. 29, 1969, said he believes Kerry campaign aides made a mistake in claiming Kerry as skipper of the 94 at that time.


On the Kerry website, the report of the combat on that day on the 94 boat is posted as occurring during Kerry's time as skipper of the boat. Peck said Kerry replaced him after the Jan. 29, 1969, event.

"Those are definitely mine," Peck said, referring to the combat reports that the Kerry campaign posted as representing Kerry's action. "There is no doubt about it."

A Kerry campaign spokesman, Michael Meehan, said in an e-mail that the campaign had obtained the combat reports for the 94 from the Navy. He did not directly address the question of why the campaign describes Kerry being skipper of the 94 at a time when Peck says he commanded the boat.

The reports at issue are in a 20-page batch representing Kerry's combat in January 1969. The reports include references to some dramatic action, including an ambush of Patrol Craft Fast, or PCF, 94. In addition to posting the information online, the campaign sent out an e-mail yesterday afternoon repeating the claim that Kerry was the skipper of the 94 boat throughout January and describing action the campaign said Kerry experienced while commanding the craft.

For example, in a summary of action that occurred Jan. 26, 1969, the campaign says Kerry served on boat No. 94 alongside another boat, No. 66. "PCFs 94 and 66 escorted troops up the Ong Doc River early in the morning when they were ambushed by gun and rocket fire from approximately 40 men on both sides of the river," the campaign summary says. "Two B-40 rounds hit close to Kerry's boat, while PCF 66 received 2 B-40 rocket hits. Three men on PCF66 were wounded. A junk containing South Vietnamese troops was also sunk, killing 11 South Vietnamese troops. Intelligence reports after the mission indicated that the Viet Cong troops may have planned the ambush in advance."

Peck said he was the skipper of the 94 at this time and that Kerry was not on the craft. While combat reports show several boats traveling with the 94, the campaign website says only that Kerry was the skipper of the 94 and does not try to place him on the other boats.

In another report, the campaign summarizes action that took place on Jan. 29, 1969, this way: "While Kerry's boat and another [PCF72] were probing a canal along the river, Kerry's boat came under heavy fire and was hit by a B-40 rocket in the cabin area. One member of Kerry's crew -- Forward Gunner David Alston -- suffered shrapnel wounds in his head. His injuries were not considered serious and he was sent to the 29th Evac Hospital at Binh Thuy."

Peck said he was the skipper on this day as well. Peck was also injured in the ambush and was hospitalized.

As a result, Kerry then took over the crew, Peck said. The Navy combat report posted by the Kerry campaign states that Peck and Alston were injured in the same event. There is no mention of Kerry in that report.

Kerry's commanding officer, George Elliott, said in a telephone interview that he vividly recalls Peck's injury and hospitalization and Kerry's replacement of Peck. "I think somebody made a mistake who doesn't know" the timing of Kerry's service, Elliott said. Kerry was skipper of boat No. 44 in December and January before taking over command of the 94, he said.

i'm sure this waqs just an innocent mistake by Kerry's aides (i'm sure he was so busy skiing in Idaho and missing all those Senate votes in D.C., that he didn't have time to personally review his own website layout), and not an effort to sex-up Kerry's military record.
Nope, not a chance...not Kerry...

Probably just an oversight by campaign people. Now if he would have publically claimed it - it would be a different story but I doubt he approves every little change of piece of information on his website personally. IMO ofcourse.

CkG