Boston Bomber - Death sentence

[Jaskalas]

Because I find killing a person who is no threat to you to be very unChristlike.

When comparing oneself to a complete pacifist who dared not lift a finger to harm another, just the very capture and imprisonment of someone seems very unChristlike.

Are we then reduced to talking degrees of separation from Christ? Violence to subdue and cruelty in confinement are okay, but execution is a step too far?

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

I think the court and or jury should grant the option of the death penalty.
But the victims and the families should vote to have the final say in the matter.
If a victim or surviving family member can forgive this guy, then that should be the last word. But only if the feeling is unanimous.

I'd just hate to see this guy in prison for life, with TV and a computer and the internet and access to books and law classes, and mail.
Especially on the taxpayers dime.

Isn't death what these terrorist really want?
Those 73 virgins and paradise and all that stuff?
If it's death, then it sounds to me like he won and will get what he wants.

He'd be at Florence ADX. Pretty much worse than death. Concrete cell 23 hours a day. Never see another inmate. Solitary except for guard escort. Nothing in, nothing out. Black and white tv with educational or religious programming. For however long one can live like that.

 

[Whiskey16]

Wow, you're quite dishonest:

Violence to subdue....

What degree of violence? At times a degree of force is necessary and morally justified to control an offender and protect those in immediate harms way.

...and cruelty in confinement are okay...

Bullshit...Who said that? There are rather clear laws upon the treatment of those within your care and control. Yes, some jurisdiction do violate such laws and are unexcused.

...but execution is a step too far?

Most certainly. Laws and limits upon the care and treatment of those in your control. Yet some morally reprehensible states such as the USA feel a cause to legalise the killing/murder of those who are incarcerated, subdued, and fully under the state care and control.

Jaskalas, if you still fail to see the dishonest disconnect with that you are conflating, then there is no rational nor moral hope for you.

 

[mindmajick]

Wow, you're quite dishonest:What degree of violence? At times a degree of force is necessary and morally justified to control an offender and protect those in immediate harms way.

Bullshit...Who said that? There are rather clear laws upon the treatment of those within your care and control. Yes, some jurisdiction do violate such laws and are unexcused.

Most certainly. Laws and limits upon the care and treatment of those in your control. Yet some morally reprehensible states such as the USA feel a cause to legalise the killing/murder of those who are incarcerated, subdued, and fully under the state care and control.

Jaskalas, if you still fail to see the dishonest disconnect with that you are conflating, then there is no rational nor moral hope for you.

This is why I'm against the death penalty. We don't always get it right.

There were 152 exonerations of prisoners on death row in the United States since 1973.

Edit: more info for those who like to read. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty

 

[disappoint]

Just make it a long, slow, painful death...that's appropriate in MOST death penalty cases.

Fuck making it painless so the murderer doesn't suffer...they rarely think about that when they kill their victims.

That is what is supposed to make you and I better than the murderer. That we would think about it. That we would care.

 

[blastingcap]

http://www.bostonherald.com/topic/zubeidat_tsarnaeva

In a message purportedly from Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, the mother of condemned terrorist Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is threatening Allah’s “eternal and terrifying fire” will consume the United States.

“They think that they are killing us and they celebrate this, but we are the ones who will rejoice when Allah grants us the chance to behold them in the flames of an eternal and terrifying fire, an otherworldly flame,” Zubeidat Tsarnaeva reportedly wrote Sunday to Zarina Kasenova, a supporter, 
according to the news website 
Vocativ.com.

 

[pcgeek11]

http://www.bostonherald.com/topic/zubeidat_tsarnaeva

In a message purportedly from Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, the mother of condemned terrorist Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is threatening Allah’s “eternal and terrifying fire” will consume the United States.

“They think that they are killing us and they celebrate this, but we are the ones who will rejoice when Allah grants us the chance to behold them in the flames of an eternal and terrifying fire, an otherworldly flame,” Zubeidat Tsarnaeva reportedly wrote Sunday to Zarina Kasenova, a supporter, 
according to the news website 
Vocativ.com.

But does anyone really care what she says? I for one, do not care what the mother of these vermin has to say.

 

[disappoint]

But does anyone really care what she says? I for one, do not care what the mother of these vermin has to say.

She holds similar beliefs to yours.

What you don't understand is that religious organisations ( Theists ) do more to assist their fellow man than atheists. By Far.

All I have to say is lots of people are going to be shocked when they die and realise they are in Hell. :|

You're not much better than she is. You both subscribe to the "hope the world someday burns" newsletter written thousands of years ago by mentally ill, angry, scientifically illiterate, iron age peasants taking their frustrations out on humanity with dreams of eternal torture for those whom oppose their views.

Some people want to watch the world burn. Others want to watch the world learn. Which one do you aspire to be? It's not too late for you to learn, to change and to grow as a person.