bored: Shut the Door, stop immigration

LongCoolMother

Diamond Member
Sep 4, 2001
5,675
0
0
well, i was flipping through the papers this morning after school, when i came across an article in the opinion section. it grabbed my intention, since ive always had contradicting thoughts on the issue of immigration (my parents were immigrants). however, the main reason it interested me, was because im currently doing a personal research/report on the issue of immigration. and this is one of the subjects i address specifically.

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/columnists/contributors/5325148.htm

"Shut the door, save the state
POPULATION GROWTH, FUELED BY IMMIGRATION, IS A DISASTER
By Deanna Wulff

MY jovial parents, the hum of high tech, my sister and her smiling toddler, Sunday brunches and laughter, ready listeners and familial teasing, blue skies reaching out to the sea -- I've left them and this town many times, bent on getting away from a nightmarish real estate market and onto a place that allows me to avoid cardiac arrest upon signing a mortgage.

For what are the options here? Either I rent for eternity or buy a small condo in some overwrought section of San Jose, that is loud, dirty, unsafe, pedestrian-unfriendly, some sort of purgatory or concrete hell.

My father hopefully suggests Santa Cruz, but I quickly point out that it's among the least affordable cities in the nation. He sighs. I sigh.

Why is this my reality? The answer infuriates me, because it's rarely mentioned come political platitude time. Potential congressmen stick to abortion, the death penalty, prayer in schools, flag burning, whether God should be included in the pledge -- anything but what really affects our lives here in the Bay Area.

They never bring up our greatest problem: population growth.

We have 35 million California residents, and by 2035, we can expect to have 64 million. Most people will be moving to metropolitan megalopolises like San Jose, San Francisco and the greater Los Angeles area.

The fact is that most of this growth comes from immigration -- not Americans moving in and out of the state, but from foreigners. According to Californians for Population Stabilization, from 1990-1997, foreign immigrants and their offspring contributed 96 percent of California's population growth.

If these statistics and their grim prospects don't frighten you, they should. They mean a future of ever increasing housing costs, jam-packed freeways, lower wages and a degraded, crowded environment.

Growth maniacs will contend, as they always do, that we need more people to make more money and to bolster economic health. They'll say that the real problem lies in lack of services, strip malls, subdivisions and stucco houses; they'll say that what we need is more city and less country, just get rid of all that open space.

They ignore the fact that we have only one pie here, and the more we divide it up, the less we get. Unchecked growth has never led to improved living conditions for humanity -- only to famine, crowding and general misery for the lowest classes.

Who wants this future? Only the wealthy, powerful and politically entrenched. They long to develop their 20-acre spread in Monte Sereno and retire with $20 million; they want cheap labor for their Central Valley agribusiness; they want their condos to rent at the highest market rate; they want more people desperate for gas, oil, electricity, food and milk.

But for the rest of us, growth spells disaster. It means countless hours spent on the interminable work treadmill, all for a 10-by-10 piece of dirt and a cardboard box.

The solution to this crisis is so simple, so clear: We must stop immigration. Period. We must roll up the welcome mat and bolt the door.

My detractors will call me a racist because the majority of immigrants are people of color, coming from Mexico and Asia. But that isn't the case -- should the entire White Anglo Saxon European population decide to immigrate, I'd still insist that we send them packing.

Immigration restriction is about preserving the quality of life and the environment in California for generations to come. My parents speak wistfully of Bay Area orchards and youthful families hastening here to make a better life. They don't speak of rent extortion, $1.2 million suburban homes or dismal four-lane streets with no sidewalks, but I do.

What horrors will my children speak of, if nothing is done?"

even though i dont agree, she does have some good points, if what she said was true. does population growth from immigration cause so many state problems? does their contributions pay up for the damage? what do you guys think?
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
63,049
19,339
136
"For what are the options here? Either I rent for eternity or buy a small condo in some overwrought section of San Jose, that is loud, dirty, unsafe, pedestrian-unfriendly, some sort of purgatory or concrete hell."

Well, she is forgetting one option: move OUT of California.
 

ScrapSilicon

Lifer
Apr 14, 2001
13,625
0
0
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
"For what are the options here? Either I rent for eternity or buy a small condo in some overwrought section of San Jose, that is loud, dirty, unsafe, pedestrian-unfriendly, some sort of purgatory or concrete hell."

Well, she is forgetting one option: move OUT of California.

nope she needs to keep her whine there..:D
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
70,150
5
0
Population growth fueled by unskilled laborers is a disaster. Most all countries welcome skilled laborers who add significantly to the labor pool.
 

notfred

Lifer
Feb 12, 2001
38,241
4
0
hahaha, "Dammit, it's crowded and expensive in the middle of a city with over 1,000,000 people!"

Yeah, well, MOVE OUT OF SAN JOSE! You don't like the crowds, don't live in the big city. Move to humboldt or San Luis Obispo or Eureka. There are plently of uncrowded towns in California.
 

wnied

Diamond Member
Oct 10, 1999
4,206
0
76
Theres plenty of free space in Idaho, or The Dakotas. And yes theres work there too, you just have to get off your ass and find it. As for closing the door completely to immigration, thats a fools answer to a larger problem. Instead of closing it, try making our INS more accountable for the job theyre SUPPOSED to be doing, help them fix a largely broken system and refine the amounts of people being let into our country daily.

Its the only way to fix a problem which has been as long standing as this one has. We have the system in place, yet no ones helped to adapt it to current situations.
~wnied~
 

AgentDib

Member
Nov 21, 2002
140
0
0
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Population growth fueled by unskilled laborers is a disaster. Most all countries welcome skilled laborers who add significantly to the labor pool.

You couldn't be more correct. Hard to think of anything to add just because this sums it up so nicely.
 

phaserx

Senior member
Feb 13, 2003
263
0
0
I saw a comedian before who said:

"We should flood the mexican border with sleeping gas and then move all the would-be illegal immigrants up to Montana, so when they wake up they'll run into canada"
 

BD231

Lifer
Feb 26, 2001
10,568
138
106
Originally posted by: AgentDib
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Population growth fueled by unskilled laborers is a disaster. Most all countries welcome skilled laborers who add significantly to the labor pool.

You couldn't be more correct. Hard to think of anything to add just because this sums it up so nicely.

For sure. One question to all, WTF is so bad about mexico that would cause all this immigration? For f*cks sake why don't these people just turn mexico into a part of the US already and end the crazieness?
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,803
6,360
126
She's rather confused as to how things work and is looking for the easy answer "stop immigration". There isn't 1 pie that remains as a constant, cities can be improved, wages can be raised. It takes work and changes to the system to improve things, not stupid knee-jerk reactions and scape-goating.
 

jaeger66

Banned
Jan 1, 2001
3,852
0
0
Unchecked immigration is a plague on America. They've fouled their own nests, and now want to have ours too. Border towns are already rotting, and the decay will only spread. I'm just glad I'll be dead by the time Phoenix looks like Mexico City- a filthy hellhole where nobody is safe.
 

jaeger66

Banned
Jan 1, 2001
3,852
0
0
Originally posted by: BD231


For sure. One question to all, WTF is so bad about mexico that would cause all this immigration? For f*cks sake why don't these people just turn mexico into a part of the US already and end the crazieness?

I take it you've never been there. It's hell on earth. I'm sure it's much easier to just pack up and move to the world's new dumping ground-the USA. But that's not right, and it shouldn't be our problem.
 

Zebo

Elite Member
Jul 29, 2001
39,398
19
81

rolleye.gif
 

jjones

Lifer
Oct 9, 2001
15,424
2
0
Originally posted by: jaeger66
Originally posted by: BD231


For sure. One question to all, WTF is so bad about mexico that would cause all this immigration? For f*cks sake why don't these people just turn mexico into a part of the US already and end the crazieness?

I take it you've never been there. It's hell on earth. I'm sure it's much easier to just pack up and move to the world's new dumping ground-the USA. But that's not right, and it shouldn't be our problem.
Nice generalization. I take it you've never been to anywhere in Mexico other than a border town. I've been to quite a few hells on earth parked squarely in the continental U.S., no where near the border, and with an immigrant population of zero.

 

Double Trouble

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
9,270
103
106
Immigration should not be stopped, it is - and has always been - beneficial to the welfare of the USA. However, I do think we need to close down the border -- use the military if need be, but stop all illegal and unregulated entry or exit. Period. Then, we can set whatever targets we want for *legal* immigration, and regulate the immigration process such that we can set up the infrastructure to handle it.

Of course, anyone suggesting the borders be closed to illegal immigrants is immediately depicted as racist - which is idiotic. I'm all for *legal* immigration, but illegal entry should be stopped. Close the borders tight, and increase the amount of legal immigration allowed, that way we can keep the US as a melting pot, without putting an undue burden on the infrastructure of services in certain states (like California, Texas, Florida etc).
 

zephyrprime

Diamond Member
Feb 18, 2001
7,512
2
81
I remember that either Iowa or one of the Dakotas was seriously considering a plan recently to import people because they were facing the prospect of major population decline. But I do understand the article writers concern that uncontrolled immigration is causing lots of problem for california.
 

machintos

Golden Member
Mar 1, 2003
1,652
0
0
I'm not a citizen, I don't have a green card either :(
Anyways, I would really LOVE to be a permanent resident here, and it makes me really, really sad to see how many unskilled labor and illegal immigrants actually get green cards whereas college graduates such as I am can have no luck in trying to get permanent residency.
And by the way, I paid a lot of money to go to school here, and now that I've graduated, most companies will NOT hire international students.

All the money I invested here went down the drain :(
 

machintos

Golden Member
Mar 1, 2003
1,652
0
0
And oh, I live in Houston, TX.
I can't believe how many people in the US actually DON'T speak english...
 

jaeger66

Banned
Jan 1, 2001
3,852
0
0
Originally posted by: jjones

Nice generalization. I take it you've never been to anywhere in Mexico other than a border town. I've been to quite a few hells on earth parked squarely in the continental U.S., no where near the border, and with an immigrant population of zero.

Overpopulation --> poverty --> crime --> blight and decay. This is what happens anywhere, what has happened in any good sized Mexican city*, and what will happen to more and more places in America. They come here rather than trying to fix their home because we let them.

*tourist towns populated mostly by Americans don't count