Border Patrol told to stand down in Arizona

[Chadder007]

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050513-122032-5055r.htm

I wish all of the TV news stations would pick up on this and start showing the fallacy of the government heads that are behind trying to hide the effectiveness of the border patrols.

 

[conjur]

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But, this administration's position on allowing illegals is already well-known. Doesn't matter if possible terrorists get through the borders as long as corporations have the ability to hire dirt-cheap labor, why not?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050513-122032-5055r.htm

Oh, yes - I beleive everything that Reverend Moon and his Pro-GOP newspaper produce

Think the collective thought, do as you are told. You will be assimilated.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: Chadder007
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050513-122032-5055r.htm

Oh, yes - I beleive everything that Reverend Moon and his Pro-GOP newspaper produce

Think the collective thought, do as you are told. You will be assimilated.

I don't give a crap, if its republicans or dems behind this hating on the border patrol.... They need to stop this letting illegals in like crazy and do something about it. Especially even if its Bush that is telling them to let everyone through.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Do you really think the Border Patrol has been told to stand down ?

No other news source in the world is claiming that - and the Washington Times has a known track record of falsifying news and misrepresenting facts.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Do you really think the Border Patrol has been told to stand down ?

No other news source in the world is claiming that - and the Washington Times has a known track record of falsifying news and misrepresenting facts.

Dare we say that they're the CBS News and Dan Rather newspaper? :shocked:

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: conjur
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But, this administration's position on allowing illegals is already well-known. Doesn't matter if possible terrorists get through the borders as long as corporations have the ability to hire dirt-cheap labor, why not?

Yes, we've now had at least FIVE presidents in a row, Republican and Democrat alike, who are so TERRIFIED of political backlash from the Hispanic community that they won't do a goddamn thing about illegal immigration. Their complete and utter FAILURES to do their jobs has cost innumerable American lives and jobs, up to and INCLUDING those lost on 9/11/01.

Glad we've got someone to count on to help us out on that front, eh?

Jason

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: conjur
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But, this administration's position on allowing illegals is already well-known. Doesn't matter if possible terrorists get through the borders as long as corporations have the ability to hire dirt-cheap labor, why not?

Yes, we've now had at least FIVE presidents in a row, Republican and Democrat alike, who are so TERRIFIED of political backlash from the Hispanic community that they won't do a goddamn thing about illegal immigration. Their complete and utter FAILURES to do their jobs has cost innumerable American lives and jobs, up to and INCLUDING those lost on 9/11/01.

Glad we've got someone to count on to help us out on that front, eh?

Jason

I thought the hijackers came in through Canada?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Do you really think the Border Patrol has been told to stand down ?

No other news source in the world is claiming that - and the Washington Times has a known track record of falsifying news and misrepresenting facts.

And yet at the same time, would you be surprised? It's a well documented fact that Border Patrol receives VERY little support from this or any of the 4 PREVIOUS administrations. Simply put, Democrats and Republicans alike are so beholden to the fear of the Hispanic community's backlash (which I suspect is much less likely than politicians believe) that they've kept the border patrol all but paralyzed. The 1987 Amnesty was a TERRIBLE idea that has only fueled the fire of illegal immigration in the time since.

In addition to that fear of pissing off the hispanic "community", D's and R's alike have their noses so far up the ass of small, medium and large businesses who hire illegal aliens that they intentionally keep the pressure OFF in order to keep these guys happy with cheap labor.

Jason

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
I thought the hijackers came in through Canada?

Nope. That was disproven.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: conjur
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But, this administration's position on allowing illegals is already well-known. Doesn't matter if possible terrorists get through the borders as long as corporations have the ability to hire dirt-cheap labor, why not?

Yes, we've now had at least FIVE presidents in a row, Republican and Democrat alike, who are so TERRIFIED of political backlash from the Hispanic community that they won't do a goddamn thing about illegal immigration. Their complete and utter FAILURES to do their jobs has cost innumerable American lives and jobs, up to and INCLUDING those lost on 9/11/01.

Glad we've got someone to count on to help us out on that front, eh?

Jason

I thought the hijackers came in through Canada?

Yes, that's true. Isn't there also a border between the US and Canada? Yes, yes there is. And the fact is that ALL our borders have gone quite unguarded and unprotected for a very long time.

Republicans and Democrats alike have consistently betrayed the American People on this issue for decades now.

Jason

 

[Genx87]

The border situation will get many people killed.
It already has.

Neither party wants to take action on this and stop the flood. The surprising part is the media has a great opportunity to really blast the Bush administration on an issue yet their hatred of the common white person in the country is so much more than Bush they wont run the stories. The only time I have heard the MSM talk about this it is to let us know about the according to them racist vigiliante KKK members who are supposedly murdering illegals by the truckload on the southern border.

Just amazing if you ask me.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
I thought the hijackers came in through Canada?

Nope. That was disproven.

hmmm... interesting. Well, I must not be up on the 9/11 schtick becuse I don't think things were they appeared that day.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
I thought the hijackers came in through Canada?

Nope. That was disproven.

hmmm... interesting. Well, I must not be up on the 9/11 schtick becuse I don't think things were they appeared that day.

news to me, how did they enter the country?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
I thought the hijackers came in through Canada?

Nope. That was disproven.

I'm not aware that it has been disproven at all. I know that some got in through other avenues (I believe I read that at least a couple of them came in on work visas or perhaps even under asylum rules) but if I recall some of them did, in fact, come via Canada.

However, the more important point now is that we've *already* caught a few middle-eastern people illegally crossing at the Mexican border. There was a brief big deal about it in the news just a few months ago, as well as some claims that Al Quaeda may have some ties to the MS13 (Maris salvatrucia...spelling is undoubtedly wrong) gang who're well known for illegally bringing people (including theiro wn gang members) and drugs into the US via the Mexican border.

This is a SERIOUS issue, and we've got a tiny, TINY fraction of R's and D's who sincerely give a damn. The rest have left their balls out in the car.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Genx87
The border situation will get many people killed.
It already has.

Neither party wants to take action on this and stop the flood. The surprising part is the media has a great opportunity to really blast the Bush administration on an issue yet their hatred of the common white person in the country is so much more than Bush they wont run the stories. The only time I have heard the MSM talk about this it is to let us know about the according to them racist vigiliante KKK members who are supposedly murdering illegals by the truckload on the southern border.

Just amazing if you ask me.

Yeah, those people are nuts. Makes me REALLY glad that the minutemen project went off flawlessly without a hitch Completely disarms all these jerkwater knowitalls who scream about it being a "recipe for disaster". Interestingly enough, the majority of the Minutemen were professionals, including doctors, lawyers, judges, engineers and other similar types. The few rowdies who showed up were asked to leave, and the rest carried on like perfect pros.

What I found VERY interesting was the story that ACLU members were there, smoking pot, and at times yelling at minutement, threatening them, getting up in their faces trying to provoke them. Pretty hilarious, but sad that ACLU members would act like that.

Jason

 

[conjur]

A friend I trust implicitly has researched the issue (she's Canadian and wanted to find out what was going on) and found various things disproving it.


But, back to the topic of illegal immigration. I'm really all for deporting them all when they're found. The WalMarts of the world will just have to get used to paying a decent and livable wage to workers.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: conjur
A friend I trust implicitly has researched the issue (she's Canadian and wanted to find out what was going on) and found various things disproving it.


But, back to the topic of illegal immigration. I'm really all for deporting them all when they're found. The WalMarts of the world will just have to get used to paying a decent and livable wage to workers.

sources?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Genx87
The border situation will get many people killed.
It already has.

Neither party wants to take action on this and stop the flood. The surprising part is the media has a great opportunity to really blast the Bush administration on an issue yet their hatred of the common white person in the country is so much more than Bush they wont run the stories. The only time I have heard the MSM talk about this it is to let us know about the according to them racist vigiliante KKK members who are supposedly murdering illegals by the truckload on the southern border.

Just amazing if you ask me.

Yeah, those people are nuts. Makes me REALLY glad that the minutemen project went off flawlessly without a hitch Completely disarms all these jerkwater knowitalls who scream about it being a "recipe for disaster". Interestingly enough, the majority of the Minutemen were professionals, including doctors, lawyers, judges, engineers and other similar types. The few rowdies who showed up were asked to leave, and the rest carried on like perfect pros.

What I found VERY interesting was the story that ACLU members were there, smoking pot, and at times yelling at minutement, threatening them, getting up in their faces trying to provoke them. Pretty hilarious, but sad that ACLU members would act like that.

Jason

Doesnt surprise me, the ACLU has been hijacked by left wing nutjobs. Really sad because in the past they did some great work. Now it is about erasing religion from our society and antaganozing Americans who want to protect their borders.

 

[conjur]

Yeah. Darn that ACLU. Protecting civil liberties. How dare they. I mean, people like Rush Limbaugh don't deserve their medical records to be private.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: conjur
A friend I trust implicitly has researched the issue (she's Canadian and wanted to find out what was going on) and found various things disproving it.


But, back to the topic of illegal immigration. I'm really all for deporting them all when they're found. The WalMarts of the world will just have to get used to paying a decent and livable wage to workers.

sources?

For what? The research my friend did or the wages paid to immigrant workers?

If the former, look up Frank McKenna, the Canadian ambassador to the U.S.

Here's a recent, brief summary:
http://www.detnews.com/2005/nation/0505/01/A08-167229.htm

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

And yet at the same time, would you be surprised? It's a well documented fact that Border Patrol receives VERY little support from this or any of the 4 PREVIOUS administrations. Simply put, Democrats and Republicans alike are so beholden to the fear of the Hispanic community's backlash (which I suspect is much less likely than politicians believe) that they've kept the border patrol all but paralyzed.

I've asked that question of a few legal Mexican immigrants and citizens. They are as opposed to illegal immigration as any redneck or suburbanite. The legal immigrants considered it an insult that they had to work hard and do things the right way and the illegals basically have it all handed it to them.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk


And yet at the same time, would you be surprised? It's a well documented fact that Border Patrol receives VERY little support from this or any of the 4 PREVIOUS administrations. Simply put, Democrats and Republicans alike are so beholden to the fear of the Hispanic community's backlash (which I suspect is much less likely than politicians believe) that they've kept the border patrol all but paralyzed.

I've asked that question of a few legal Mexican immigrants and citizens. They are as opposed to illegal immigration as any redneck or suburbanite. The legal immigrants considered it an insult that they had to work hard and do things the right way and the illegals basically have it all handed it to them.

This is surprisingly true from the people I have talked to, so one has to ask why politicians believe otherwise?

 

[conjur]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38816-2005Apr8.html

This lingering headache for Canada underlines the enduring life of inaccuracies in the media and the sensitivity of Canadians to suggestions that their country's long and lightly guarded border is a threat to the United States.

"It's something that won't go away," Bill Graham, Canada's defense minister, said of the apocryphal claim in an interview Monday. "We're very resentful . . . because not one suspect had been in Canada. All had been in the U.S., training in the U.S., with valid U.S. visas."

The account was born in the first days after the attacks, when reporters and government investigators were scrambling to figure out how the conspirators had carried out the plot. Bernard Etzinger, a Canadian Embassy spokesman, says the "big bang" that started the legend can be traced to two Boston newspapers.

A Boston Globe story on Sept. 13 said investigators were "seeking evidence" that the hijackers came through Canada. The Boston Herald reported the same day that federal investigators believed "the terrorist suspects may have traveled . . . by boat" from Canada.

On Sept. 14, The Washington Post reported that an unnamed U.S. official had said two suspects "crossed the border from Canada with no known difficulty at a small border entry in Coburn Gore, Maine," and that others may have come through other Maine ports. On Sept. 16, that report was repeated by the New York Post, which also declared that "terrorists bent on wreaking havoc in the United States" had found Canada "the path of least resistance." On Sept. 19, the Christian Science Monitor referred to Canada as "a haven for terrorists."

"It was just one of those things where everybody says, 'We all knew that,' and it becomes irrefutable," Etzinger said.

In the weeks after the attacks, investigators established that all of the hijackers entered the United States from countries other than Canada, a finding that got the official stamp last summer with the release of the Sept. 11 commission report. But that has not stopped the story from spreading.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: conjur
A friend I trust implicitly has researched the issue (she's Canadian and wanted to find out what was going on) and found various things disproving it.


But, back to the topic of illegal immigration. I'm really all for deporting them all when they're found. The WalMarts of the world will just have to get used to paying a decent and livable wage to workers.

Aside from those Janitors who were hired vicariously through a contractor, Wal Mart has never been shown to hire illegal aliens. Even then, those guys were mostly *European*, not Mexican/Latino. You have MUCH more to be angry about at MUCH smaller businesses than wal mart when it comes to hiring illegal aliens from South of the border, not the least of which are farmers (and in spite of popular myths, farmers are hardly these po' boy podunk nobodies; most of them are multibillion dollar corporations.

Jason