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Bootfscking someone's head till they die only yields 2 years in Canada (sigh)

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DWW

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thestar.ca

Two young men convicted of manslaughter in the death of a 15-year-old boy who was kicked in the head over a pack of cigarettes will serve less than two years in a provincial jail despite being sentenced to 10 years.
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Yep you read it right. Bunch of dumbass thugs in Toronto kicked the guy's head in. Sure he told them to buzzoff when they demanded his smokes but he didn't start the fight even.

It is so frustrating living in this liberal of a country where they believe the killers can be "rehabilitated" after two frickin years.

But that is nothing compared to our psychotic Karla Homolka who brutally mutilated, raped and killed her sister and another girl with her husband, but, since she ratted out her husband (you know, since the men are ALWAYS the masterminds) she has a much lesser sentence and will be back out soon because they think she can be "rehabilitated". What is even more sick is that the defense knowingly removed VIDEO TAPES of the crimes from their light fixtures or something like that. The videos had -everything- on tape. How that lawyer can live with himself at night I'll never know but then again this is Canada.

Soon as financial means allow me too I'm moving the fsck to Texas.
 
Originally posted by: DWW
thestar.ca

Two young men convicted of manslaughter in the death of a 15-year-old boy who was kicked in the head over a pack of cigarettes will serve less than two years in a provincial jail despite being sentenced to 10 years.
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Yep you read it right. Bunch of dumbass thugs in Toronto kicked the guy's head in. Sure he told them to buzzoff when they demanded his smokes but he didn't start the fight even.

It is so frustrating living in this liberal of a country where they believe the killers can be "rehabilitated" after two frickin years.
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I guess you've never seen the numbers. We have a 80% success rate in Canada.
 
(and not to say that the psycho's husband wasn't the mastermind... but wouldn't you have to be totally FUBAR and non-rehabitable if you are able to do that to your own younger sister?)
 
Originally posted by: DWW
(and not to say that the psycho's husband wasn't the mastermind... but wouldn't you have to be totally FUBAR and non-rehabitable if you are able to do that to your own younger sister?)
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Do you really think she's going to commit another murder or anything of that sort? The Canada justice system isn't about penalising people, but rehabilitating them. True, most of us would want to see her locked up for the rest of her life for what she did, but would you be willing to pay for it? Have you ever seen the prisons in the US, where they were so hugely overpopulated, that they let criminals who clearly aren't rehabilitated out, just so they could make room for more coming in?

I did time in Canada, some of the roughest time you can up here, and i can tell you i spent half my time in there doing all sort of rehabs.
 
I don't know about that, BUT if I was to judge somebody based on "kicking somebody in the head once" it's a tricky judgement, because even if the person died it was possibly not their intent to do anything but make the guy hurt, similar to how vehicular manslaughter won't net you the same punishment as beating somebody's skull in for 10 minutes.

It's not often we see Canadians pissed talking about US. I can think of at least one guy who can't wait to leave the US and move to Canada hehe
 
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: DWW
Moralpanic I hope that was a joke.
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That we have a 80% rate on success of parole? Our recividism rate is only 20% for people recommitting crimes. It's no joke. That really are what the numbers are.

Here are official numbers from the Canadian government: http://www.npb-cnlc.gc.ca/media/newsrele/090800_e.htm
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Not sure if the numbers back it up but I see a LOT more cops in birmingham than I did in canada. perhaps many of those 80% are just not getting caught again 😉

 
The vast majority of offenders on full parole (nearly 73%) completed their paroles successfully. The overall recidivism rate for federal full parolees was 12.9 %, down from 13.4% last year.


The vast majority of federal day paroles (over 82%) also successfully completed their releases without incident. The overall recidivism rate was 5.6%, which is down from 6.8% last year.


Most offenders on statutory release (nearly 58%) completed their sentences successfully in the community. The overall recidivism rate in 1999-00 was 14.8% which is consistent over the past five years
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These are the numbers from my link above. And you want to go to Texas and live under their judicial system? Are you fvcking nuts.
 
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: DWW
thestar.ca

Two young men convicted of manslaughter in the death of a 15-year-old boy who was kicked in the head over a pack of cigarettes will serve less than two years in a provincial jail despite being sentenced to 10 years.
Click to expand...

Yep you read it right. Bunch of dumbass thugs in Toronto kicked the guy's head in. Sure he told them to buzzoff when they demanded his smokes but he didn't start the fight even.

It is so frustrating living in this liberal of a country where they believe the killers can be "rehabilitated" after two frickin years.
Click to expand...

I guess you've never seen the numbers. We have a 80% success rate in Canada.
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Link to prove your assertion? Canada's lax domestic violence laws are the main reason that the Homolka spree was able to continue. Karla's parents were pretty much ineffective against getting Paul arrested, and Canada didn't have mandatory arrest law when there were injuries.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: DWW
Moralpanic I hope that was a joke.
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That we have a 80% rate on success of parole? Our recividism rate is only 20% for people recommitting crimes. It's no joke. That really are what the numbers are.

Here are official numbers from the Canadian government: http://www.npb-cnlc.gc.ca/media/newsrele/090800_e.htm
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Not sure if the numbers back it up but I see a LOT more cops in birmingham than I did in canada. perhaps many of those 80% are just not getting caught again 😉
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That's of course part of it. But are Canadians criminals a lot smarter than Americans then?
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: DWW
thestar.ca

Two young men convicted of manslaughter in the death of a 15-year-old boy who was kicked in the head over a pack of cigarettes will serve less than two years in a provincial jail despite being sentenced to 10 years.
Click to expand...

Yep you read it right. Bunch of dumbass thugs in Toronto kicked the guy's head in. Sure he told them to buzzoff when they demanded his smokes but he didn't start the fight even.

It is so frustrating living in this liberal of a country where they believe the killers can be "rehabilitated" after two frickin years.
Click to expand...

I guess you've never seen the numbers. We have a 80% success rate in Canada.
Click to expand...

Link to prove your assertion? Canada's lax domestic violence laws are the main reason that the Homolka spree was able to continue. Karla's parents were pretty much ineffective against getting Paul arrested, and Canada didn't have mandatory arrest law when there were injuries.
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Link and quotes above.
 
Skoorb:Well for what its worth (abililty to order from newegg, lower taxes, no liberal government, punishment for criminals) the US has many tempting things to offer 😛
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: DWW
thestar.ca

Two young men convicted of manslaughter in the death of a 15-year-old boy who was kicked in the head over a pack of cigarettes will serve less than two years in a provincial jail despite being sentenced to 10 years.
Click to expand...

Yep you read it right. Bunch of dumbass thugs in Toronto kicked the guy's head in. Sure he told them to buzzoff when they demanded his smokes but he didn't start the fight even.

It is so frustrating living in this liberal of a country where they believe the killers can be "rehabilitated" after two frickin years.
Click to expand...

I guess you've never seen the numbers. We have a 80% success rate in Canada.
Click to expand...

Link to prove your assertion? Canada's lax domestic violence laws are the main reason that the Homolka spree was able to continue. Karla's parents were pretty much ineffective against getting Paul arrested, and Canada didn't have mandatory arrest law when there were injuries.
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That's just dumb. You obviously have no clue. NOBODY had any clue. Infact, he was initially on suspicion as only the Scarborough rapist (something like 80 rapes?), then all the evidence started pouring out. And NOBODY knew what they did to her sister, it was only when they found the videos under the floor that that was even discovered, and then they had to exhumed the corpse to double check.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's not often we see Canadians pissed talking about US. I can think of at least one guy who can't wait to leave the US and move to Canada hehe
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WTF, you think about me? Good thing you're a redneck now.
 
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: DWW
(and not to say that the psycho's husband wasn't the mastermind... but wouldn't you have to be totally FUBAR and non-rehabitable if you are able to do that to your own younger sister?)
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Do you really think she's going to commit another murder or anything of that sort? The Canada justice system isn't about penalising people, but rehabilitating them. True, most of us would want to see her locked up for the rest of her life for what she did, but would you be willing to pay for it? Have you ever seen the prisons in the US, where they were so hugely overpopulated, that they let criminals who clearly aren't rehabilitated out, just so they could make room for more coming in?

I did time in Canada, some of the roughest time you can up here, and i can tell you i spent half my time in there doing all sort of rehabs.
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Maybe she will. Maybe she won't. If you're guarenteed she won't should she be still allowed in society?

hypothetical situation: Say someone kills another human. Instantly they have some procedure to remove the "killing gene" (hypothetical), now they are effectively rehabilitated instantly. They don't need to serve any time because they're already rehabilitated. Should they not be penalized?

My personal opinion is that Karla should be removed from the gene pool. Not to penalize her but because she serves no benefit to the greater good of society nor has she in the past.
 
Originally posted by: DWW
Skoorb:Well for what its worth (abililty to order from newegg, lower taxes, no liberal government, punishment for criminals) the US has many tempting things to offer 😛
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If you're into hot deals it's definitely the place to be. I'm not into them, so i don't take advantage of it 🙁

I still, overall, maintain the classic canadian opinion of life in prison as opposed to death sentence. I wouldn't even want saddam's death on my conscience, though if I had to pick somebody to die he'd be at the top of the list.

Moralpanic: If I read that right (quickly and I'm on my third watered down american beer) that is talking about re-offending for those on parole. It doesn't talk about people who have served out their sentence (possibly denied parole over and over), or those who finished up parole and then decided to go back on a criminal spree.
 
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
The vast majority of offenders on full parole (nearly 73%) completed their paroles successfully. The overall recidivism rate for federal full parolees was 12.9 %, down from 13.4% last year.


The vast majority of federal day paroles (over 82%) also successfully completed their releases without incident. The overall recidivism rate was 5.6%, which is down from 6.8% last year.


Most offenders on statutory release (nearly 58%) completed their sentences successfully in the community. The overall recidivism rate in 1999-00 was 14.8% which is consistent over the past five years
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These are the numbers from my link above. And you want to go to Texas and live under their judicial system? Are you fvcking nuts.
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Dig deeper into your link. Those numbers are for violent recidivists ONLY, and I would hazard to bet the US has similar numbers for recidivism among violent offenders. Plus, it's not like Canada has let the truly bad out. They only let 43% out of full parole, and the rate of non-recidivism was ONLY 73%. You will find comparable numbers in the US Justice system. I'm not even going to get into how it only compared 96/96 to another year and nothing more. It wasn't a comprehensive decade long study.
 
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's not often we see Canadians pissed talking about US. I can think of at least one guy who can't wait to leave the US and move to Canada hehe
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WTF, you think about me? Good thing you're a redneck now.
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Yep I was thinking about you 😛

You know Canada and the US are more similar than probably any two countries in the world (those of significance, not including pissant dumps like most every country in africa, middle east, etc.), so if you expect a snow-covered utopia up north you won't get it!
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's not often we see Canadians pissed talking about US. I can think of at least one guy who can't wait to leave the US and move to Canada hehe
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WTF, you think about me? Good thing you're a redneck now.
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Yep I was thinking about you 😛

You know Canada and the US are more similar than probably any two countries in the world (those of significance, not including pissant dumps like most every country in africa, middle east, etc.), so if you expect a snow-covered utopia up north you won't get it!
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Nah, I expect a snow-covered place that I'm not a felon in day-to-day life.
 
Originally posted by: DWW
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: DWW
(and not to say that the psycho's husband wasn't the mastermind... but wouldn't you have to be totally FUBAR and non-rehabitable if you are able to do that to your own younger sister?)
Click to expand...

Do you really think she's going to commit another murder or anything of that sort? The Canada justice system isn't about penalising people, but rehabilitating them. True, most of us would want to see her locked up for the rest of her life for what she did, but would you be willing to pay for it? Have you ever seen the prisons in the US, where they were so hugely overpopulated, that they let criminals who clearly aren't rehabilitated out, just so they could make room for more coming in?

I did time in Canada, some of the roughest time you can up here, and i can tell you i spent half my time in there doing all sort of rehabs.
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Maybe she will. Maybe she won't. If you're guarenteed she won't should she be still allowed in society?
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I don't gaurantee anything, and never have. And the justice system doesn't either.

hypothetical situation: Say someone kills another human. Instantly they have some procedure to remove the "killing gene" (hypothetical), now they are effectively rehabilitated instantly. They don't need to serve any time because they're already rehabilitated. Should they not be penalized?
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This is tough, there are many other issues at hand, most of all costs to this penalising. Would you be willing for the government to spend $5 million dollars to lock them up for 15 years just to penalise them when they're already rehabilitated? I know i wouldn't.

My personal opinion is that Karla should be removed from the gene pool. Not to penalize her but because she serves no benefit to the greater good of society nor has she in the past.
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What do you call that if not penalizing? OUR justice system isn't about vengeance, but rehabilitation. If we're about vengeance, why don't we bring back roman laws where thieves get their hands or fingers cut off... and eye for an eye.
 
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