Boner ready to sell out Americans. Hires amnesty attorney for immigration 'reform'

[Matt1970]

They are called "bleeding heart" because they care.

I feel your pain......

 

[IndyColtsFan]

They are called "bleeding heart" because they care.

Most seem to be naïve simpletons.

 

[First]

Illegals are not the American people.

lol. Whatever helps you sleep at night old man.

Fact is the vast, vast majority are as American as anyone else. Legalizing them is paperwork shit, has nothing to do with being an American i.e. touting American values or loving American culture.

 

[actuarial]

So you oppose child labor laws?

Holy logical disconnect batman!

He said laws restricting who you can hire are socialism. How is that a sweeping opinion on how he feels about any labour law, unless of course he has a sweeping opinion on any and all socialism?

 

[actuarial]

They still can. It just has to be legal American's.

Why should they only be allowed to hire Americans?

 

[BoberFett]

Don't worry, chief. All borders will most likely become meaningless within our lifetimes. :thumbsup:

We can only hope. Then all those 1%ers that make $30,000US per year can start to pay their fair share. 80% for every dollar over $30,000 sounds about right.

 

[Sonikku]

So you oppose child labor laws?

Well yeah. We all do. If we didn't, we wouldn't buy our flags from China to save a few bucks. Actions always speak louder than words. What's important is that the government keep their noses out of businesses and stop trying to control everything, instead allowing the free market to sort itself out on it's own.

 

[nehalem256]

Holy logical disconnect batman!

He said laws restricting who you can hire are socialism. How is that a sweeping opinion on how he feels about any labour law, unless of course he has a sweeping opinion on any and all socialism?

Child labor laws restrict who you can hire.

 

[Matt1970]

We can only hope. Then all those 1%ers that make $30,000US per year can start to pay their fair share. 80% for every dollar over $30,000 sounds about right.

If you're lucky that's how it will work. With no borders wealth distribution equals around 10,000 per person. Fork it over. It's for good of all mankind.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

lol. Whatever helps you sleep at night old man.

Fact is the vast, vast majority are as American as anyone else. Legalizing them is paperwork shit, has nothing to do with being an American i.e. touting American values or loving American culture.

Take your lily white ass for a walk around the barrios of San Diego to view first hand the love for America, it's culture, values, and civility.
Where do I send the flowers, "beloved patriot". lol

 

[First]

Take your lily white ass for a walk around the barrios of San Diego to view first hand the love for America, it's culture, values, and civility.
Where do I send the flowers, "beloved patriot". lol

Speak for yourself Casper, already have. Some are less cultured and assimilated, news at 11. I'm not daft enough to think I can possibly generalize that negatively, especially since my personal experience in SF, LA and SD has been far more positive and far less dramatic. If anything, "Illegals!" seem to have better work ethic and morals than the lily white kids parading around P&N.

edit: You live in fucking Virginia, lol. I thought you were actually a Cali resident.

 

[Thebobo]

Last time I checked the left was 110% behind supporting all the fucking illegals in this country.

I'm not,
and btwI find it unfathomable that sates give licenses out to illegals.

 

[First]

I'm not,
and btwI find it unfathomable that sates give licenses out to illegals.

They give out licenses to them so there's legal recourse during, say, an accident. They can purchase auto insurance with a license. Which, incidentally, helps the state economy in question.

 

[actuarial]

Child labor laws restrict who you can hire.

So? All that suggests is that senseamp thinks those laws are socialism.

He said:

Telling CEOs who they can and can't hire is socialism

There is no comment there in favour of, or opposing, laws that restrict who you can hire.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Let's widen the tax base a bit.

 

[michal1980]

Let's widen the tax base a bit.

you mean the welfare base.

 

[Thebobo]

They give out licenses to them so there's legal recourse during, say, an accident. They can purchase auto insurance with a license. Which, incidentally, helps the state economy in question.

Yes but they are illegall, they shouldn't be driving in the first place.

 

[BoberFett]

They give out licenses to them so there's legal recourse during, say, an accident. They can purchase auto insurance with a license. Which, incidentally, helps the state economy in question.

They can or they do? Do you have any studies on the rate at which people who willingly flout immigration laws voluntarily comply with licensing and insurance laws?

 

[First]

They can or they do? Do you have any studies on the rate at which people who willingly flout immigration laws voluntarily comply with licensing and insurance laws?

I saw a study once, and will report back here when I find it Bober. Of course it's inherently difficult to prove, being they're here illegally and (here in CA) the auto insurance company can't ask about legal status. But since it's estimated that 43% of the total current illegal resident population formerly had legal work visas they simply let expire, I imagine there is certainly at the very least many thousands who would voluntarily comply with the CA auto insurance mandate knowing they came here legally.

I personally know of one (formerly) illegal resident who voluntarily paid taxes to the IRS. In fact, that is quite prevalent, with ITIN's (Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers) essentially allowing illegal immigrants to legally pay taxes and collect benefits. Said article mentions that they paid $90B into the federal system between 96, when ITIN started, and 03.

So yes, I'd say it's clear they're very willing to comply with things like auto insurance, since it's clear they have voluntarily done so in the past with much more onerous costs like property, SS and Medicare taxes.

 

[First]

Yes but they are illegall, they shouldn't be driving in the first place.

Good luck rounding em up!

 

[Abraxas]

the thing is. He represents the average liberal mind. They hate America, and American's they give more weight to the opinions of illegals then actual citizens. Its sickening.

See, here's the thing that you don't seem to understand, that you are an illegal does not make you a bad person or a human of lesser worth, and being a citizen does not make you a good person or a person of greater worth. His point, and one you would do well to consider, is that while you froth about how he hates America, you are the one backing the party that is wrecking up the place.

I wouldn't have phrased it the same way he did, but cutting the crap, in essence he is right. To begin with he said a lot of. Not all. Not most. A lot of. There are, in fact, a lot of people who were broguht here in early childhood. People who consider this place home. Consider this their country. Who would care for and sacrifice for who they consider their countrymen. All in all, there are a lot of good, decent people who legally speaking should not be here.

On the other hand, when you have the party that cheers for letting American citizens die because they can't afford health coverage, pushes laws to strip American workers of their rights and protections putting them at even greater mercy of an uncaring market, and who would shred the social safety nets that stand between a lot of sick, injured, and just plain unlucky countrymen... well, let's just say when discussing who ought to be deported I have some different ideas than the Republican party.

 

[marincounty]

They can or they do? Do you have any studies on the rate at which people who willingly flout immigration laws voluntarily comply with licensing and insurance laws?

Well they are certainly getting licenses and insurance at a much greater rate than they used to, seeing as how it was illegal for them to get a drivers license in California -thanks to Republicans.
I definitely prefer illegals to have a license with fingerprint and photo than driving illegally and running away after they crash into you.

 

[michal1980]

See, here's the thing that you don't seem to understand, that you are an illegal does not make you a bad person or a human of lesser worth, and being a citizen does not make you a good person or a person of greater worth. His point, and one you would do well to consider, is that while you froth about how he hates America, you are the one backing the party that is wrecking up the place.

I wouldn't have phrased it the same way he did, but cutting the crap, in essence he is right. To begin with he said a lot of. Not all. Not most. A lot of. There are, in fact, a lot of people who were broguht here in early childhood. People who consider this place home. Consider this their country. Who would care for and sacrifice for who they consider their countrymen. All in all, there are a lot of good, decent people who legally speaking should not be here.

On the other hand, when you have the party that cheers for letting American citizens die because they can't afford health coverage, pushes laws to strip American workers of their rights and protections putting them at even greater mercy of an uncaring market, and who would shred the social safety nets that stand between a lot of sick, injured, and just plain unlucky countrymen... well, let's just say when discussing who ought to be deported I have some different ideas than the Republican party.

Phrased what the same way?

1) I'm not forthing.

2) Your whole entire defense is an appeal to emotion.

3) Both parties are looking to destroy Americans by allowing millions of Americans.
Republicans to lower wages for CEOs
Democrats for poor dependent on government voters.


Is it too much to ask that as American citizens our elected representatives, represent Americans? Instead of a bunch of spoiled, over privileged, illegals who now feel entitled to having a say in American law. Law that they have soon no respect of.

 

[NoStateofMind]

you mean the welfare base.

Why not both? Each have value to the State.

 

[Abraxas]

Phrased what the same way?

1) I'm not forthing.

2) Your whole entire defense is an appeal to emotion.

3) Both parties are looking to destroy Americans by allowing millions of Americans.
Republicans to lower wages for CEOs
Democrats for poor dependent on government voters.


Is it too much to ask that as American citizens our elected representatives, represent Americans? Instead of a bunch of spoiled, over privileged, illegals who now feel entitled to having a say in American law. Law that they have soon no respect of.

On the contrary, I don't have an appeal to emotion anywhere in my argument. It is entirely based around the effects of the policies the people on the American right support while claiming the left "hates America".

Your ideals, taken to the logical conclusion and implemented into law, would mean that if you get cancer and can't afford hundreds of thousands a year in treatment you should just die because you can't regulate insurance companies to make them cover you and if the government pays for it or it goes unpaid, that's theft. Yours is the party that implies half the country are parasites that need to be cut off from the government gravy train, never mind the government graivy train scarcely carries bread crumbs and it is all that stands between a lot of people and total financial ruin, homelessness, and death. You talk about the Democrats wanting poor voters but it is the Republicans driving policies that drive up poverty.

Your policies are explictly geared towards sticking it to the poor, the suffering, and the sick. Your policies, for the sake of the rich and the well to do, make America a lesser place, a more miserable place, and a worse place to live. But the other side are the ones who hate America.

Look I have no illusions that the Democrats are completely in the tank for corporate America and they have no real vested interest in helping working Americans or the poor, but at least they pay lip service to needing to help them. Perhaps one day we can destroy both political parties and get one actually interested in doing it. But for as long as you identify with the conservative "**** you, I got mine" ideology at the expense of Americans, I am never going to take you seriously when you claim your political opponents are the ones who hate America.