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BOBDN

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Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Just posting an Iraqi's view on this:

Look regardless of what he stood for and the fact he and his party are very good buddies with Iran, the significance and the gravity of what happened is not to be overlooked. I agree with you, if SCIRI had its way we would end up as an Iran clone. But he is a religious leader, he is a ?Marji?i? and at least for the moment they are playing by the rules. They are adopting a more lenient line, they talk about a constitution and they have Adil abdul-Mahdi who is a very clever man, the people who are behind the curtains are always more interesting than the actual puppets. And if we had abdul-Mahdis in all the religious parties believe we would not have had so much to fear, these are people who know how to walk the narrow path.

With the assassination of Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim the SCIRI leadership has been put in a very difficult position, they have to bring their militia into the play now. Their followers demand it and this is something abdul-Mahdi was visibly agonized about during today?s press conference. We all realize that if Badr Brigade got on the streets of Najaf the other factions will see no reason to send their militias down as well and this is never good, they will start fighting for turf and places like Najaf and Karbala should not become fighting grounds. I hope the Shia in Iraq, their leaderships, are wise enough to realize these holy cities should stay a symbol of their unity, their united struggle.

Most dangerously it will give, the assassination already has given as excuse to the more dangerous Muqtada al-Sadr to get his own militia together, he has been assembling one for quite a while now [Imam Mahdi?s Army] and these are the people we should all worry about, he is pissed off because he has been booted out of the Governing Council and since he is not a Hawza religious scholar he has no power without having his own bunch of thugs. The statements which were spread around today are using the death of Hakim to put more blame on the Americans. Although we know very well that Muqtada al-sadr would not mind getting al-Hakim out of the game. The demonstrators were asking for the security issue to be handed over to Iraqis believe me we do not want to be guarded by sadr?s thugs, their Friday Imams belive that women should not even go to shops and their [groups of virtuous] have been behind the bombing of shops selling alcohol and behind the threats to cinema owners.

Beside the significance of assassinating an Ayatollah these fvckers did it in front of an entrance to Imam Ali?s shrine. What idiot would do that? It is the same question everyone was asking about the bombing of the UN building, what sort of person would do this sort of thing? There is nothing sacred anymore. And right after a Friday prayer. There is just so much to this. Hundreds of people beside the Ayatollah, it is totally devastating.
Yes I know they would want to have an Islamic state here but they are much mellower than the Sadr and his ?militant Hawza?, the importance of SCIRI is to counter balance. They have agreed to play the political game and abdul-Aziz al-Hakim (the Ayatollah?s brother) is on the Governing Council, isn?t he? They are working with the Americans.

Whoever did this is pure evil. The UN, an assassination in front of Imam Ali?s shrine. You wonder what will come next. If you ask me I think it will be media. Al-Jazeera I getting threatened quite often, and if you are moving with journalists the scariest thing that could happen is if people think you are from Jazeera. Al-Arabiya reporters were attacked in Najaf today and a couple of Reuter?s guys who the crowd thought were from Jazeera almost got in serious trouble. I got called an American intelligence agent and a collaborator with the Zionist agents, which kind of freaked me out.

Where is Raed?
HombrePequeno

Thanks for sharing your view as an Iraqi with us.

Have you lived in Iraq? I would suppose you have family there. Are they OK? If you lived in Iraq what can you tell us about life there before the Gulf War? After the Gulf War under sanctions? After the invasion?

Who is responisble for these recent acts? What is the answer for Iraq? I don't believe anyone knows yet. I do believe it is up to Iraqis to determine their own destiny. But can that happen? Can democracy work in a nation with your history and culture (which I admit I am not very familiar with)?

Do you agree with the US led invasion and occupation of Iraq? Do you think the US is doing the right thing for your country? Do you believe the Bush administration has the freedom of the Iraqi people as their real goal?

Tell me, please, do you think these new developments, the bombings by those you describe as pure evil, could they lead to all out war between the Islamic factions?

Do you think once the US is gone (and as far as I'm concerned that can't be soon enough) Iraq will become an Islamic state like Iran? Or perhaps an Islamic state that provides for freedom and well being of the Iraqi people? I don't want to see Iraq become a clone of the USA. I don't believe that is sustainable.

Forgive me if my questions are ignorant but the view of and information about the middle east we get here in the US, as you may know, isn't exactly unbiased.

From what I've read Islamic rule can take many forms. Some very liberal and some very restrictive. I know if I were a Muslim I'd prefer a more liberal form of Islam. Which do you believe would be good for Iraq?

Would a more liberal Islamic state be possible in Iraq with so many people vying for power?

You comments about the news people being next are troublesome. But I must point out the US has targeted news people since the beginning of the invasion. Several have died under questionable circumstances at the hands of the US.

I've been against the Bush administration's plans in Iraq from day one. I don't believe they have the best interests of Iraq in mind. Please share your views on Bush's invasion of Iraq with us.

Thanks HombrePequeno. I hope your country survives this turmoil and your people live in peace and prosperity.
 

HombrePequeno

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Just posting an Iraqi's view on this:

Look regardless of what he stood for and the fact he and his party are very good buddies with Iran, the significance and the gravity of what happened is not to be overlooked. I agree with you, if SCIRI had its way we would end up as an Iran clone. But he is a religious leader, he is a ?Marji?i? and at least for the moment they are playing by the rules. They are adopting a more lenient line, they talk about a constitution and they have Adil abdul-Mahdi who is a very clever man, the people who are behind the curtains are always more interesting than the actual puppets. And if we had abdul-Mahdis in all the religious parties believe we would not have had so much to fear, these are people who know how to walk the narrow path.

With the assassination of Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim the SCIRI leadership has been put in a very difficult position, they have to bring their militia into the play now. Their followers demand it and this is something abdul-Mahdi was visibly agonized about during today?s press conference. We all realize that if Badr Brigade got on the streets of Najaf the other factions will see no reason to send their militias down as well and this is never good, they will start fighting for turf and places like Najaf and Karbala should not become fighting grounds. I hope the Shia in Iraq, their leaderships, are wise enough to realize these holy cities should stay a symbol of their unity, their united struggle.

Most dangerously it will give, the assassination already has given as excuse to the more dangerous Muqtada al-Sadr to get his own militia together, he has been assembling one for quite a while now [Imam Mahdi?s Army] and these are the people we should all worry about, he is pissed off because he has been booted out of the Governing Council and since he is not a Hawza religious scholar he has no power without having his own bunch of thugs. The statements which were spread around today are using the death of Hakim to put more blame on the Americans. Although we know very well that Muqtada al-sadr would not mind getting al-Hakim out of the game. The demonstrators were asking for the security issue to be handed over to Iraqis believe me we do not want to be guarded by sadr?s thugs, their Friday Imams belive that women should not even go to shops and their [groups of virtuous] have been behind the bombing of shops selling alcohol and behind the threats to cinema owners.

Beside the significance of assassinating an Ayatollah these fvckers did it in front of an entrance to Imam Ali?s shrine. What idiot would do that? It is the same question everyone was asking about the bombing of the UN building, what sort of person would do this sort of thing? There is nothing sacred anymore. And right after a Friday prayer. There is just so much to this. Hundreds of people beside the Ayatollah, it is totally devastating.
Yes I know they would want to have an Islamic state here but they are much mellower than the Sadr and his ?militant Hawza?, the importance of SCIRI is to counter balance. They have agreed to play the political game and abdul-Aziz al-Hakim (the Ayatollah?s brother) is on the Governing Council, isn?t he? They are working with the Americans.

Whoever did this is pure evil. The UN, an assassination in front of Imam Ali?s shrine. You wonder what will come next. If you ask me I think it will be media. Al-Jazeera I getting threatened quite often, and if you are moving with journalists the scariest thing that could happen is if people think you are from Jazeera. Al-Arabiya reporters were attacked in Najaf today and a couple of Reuter?s guys who the crowd thought were from Jazeera almost got in serious trouble. I got called an American intelligence agent and a collaborator with the Zionist agents, which kind of freaked me out.

Where is Raed?
HombrePequeno

Thanks for sharing your view as an Iraqi with us.

Have you lived in Iraq? I would suppose you have family there. Are they OK? If you lived in Iraq what can you tell us about life there before the Gulf War? After the Gulf War under sanctions? After the invasion?

Who is responisble for these recent acts? What is the answer for Iraq? I don't believe anyone knows yet. I do believe it is up to Iraqis to determine their own destiny. But can that happen? Can democracy work in a nation with your history and culture (which I admit I am not very familiar with)?

Do you agree with the US led invasion and occupation of Iraq? Do you think the US is doing the right thing for your country? Do you believe the Bush administration has the freedom of the Iraqi people as their real goal?

Tell me, please, do you think these new developments, the bombings by those you describe as pure evil, could they lead to all out war between the Islamic factions?

Do you think once the US is gone (and as far as I'm concerned that can't be soon enough) Iraq will become an Islamic state like Iran? Or perhaps an Islamic state that provides for freedom and well being of the Iraqi people? I don't want to see Iraq become a clone of the USA. I don't believe that is sustainable.

Forgive me if my questions are ignorant but the view of and information about the middle east we get here in the US, as you may know, isn't exactly unbiased.

From what I've read Islamic rule can take many forms. Some very liberal and some very restrictive. I know if I were a Muslim I'd prefer a more liberal form of Islam. Which do you believe would be good for Iraq?

Would a more liberal Islamic state be possible in Iraq with so many people vying for power?

You comments about the news people being next are troublesome. But I must point out the US has targeted news people since the beginning of the invasion. Several have died under questionable circumstances at the hands of the US.

I've been against the Bush administration's plans in Iraq from day one. I don't believe they have the best interests of Iraq in mind. Please share your views on Bush's invasion of Iraq with us.

Thanks HombrePequeno. I hope your country survives this turmoil and your people live in peace and prosperity.
I think I'll have to edit my last post. I didn't write that opinion. That was from Salam Pax. I just posted it cuz I thought it was interesting. I'm an American. Sorry for the confusion.
 

BOBDN

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No problem. I was hoping I could get some info and opinion straight from an Iraqi citizen instead of filtered through our big business owned, government controlled, embedded "free" press.
 

prontospyder

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Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
Just posting an Iraqi's (not mine ;) ) view on this:

"Look regardless of what he stood for and the fact he and his party are very good buddies with Iran, the significance and the gravity of what happened is not to be overlooked. I agree with you, if SCIRI had its way we would end up as an Iran clone. But he is a religious leader, he is a ?Marji?i? and at least for the moment they are playing by the rules. They are adopting a more lenient line, they talk about a constitution and they have Adil abdul-Mahdi who is a very clever man, the people who are behind the curtains are always more interesting than the actual puppets. And if we had abdul-Mahdis in all the religious parties believe we would not have had so much to fear, these are people who know how to walk the narrow path.

With the assassination of Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim the SCIRI leadership has been put in a very difficult position, they have to bring their militia into the play now. Their followers demand it and this is something abdul-Mahdi was visibly agonized about during today?s press conference. We all realize that if Badr Brigade got on the streets of Najaf the other factions will see no reason to send their militias down as well and this is never good, they will start fighting for turf and places like Najaf and Karbala should not become fighting grounds. I hope the Shia in Iraq, their leaderships, are wise enough to realize these holy cities should stay a symbol of their unity, their united struggle.

Most dangerously it will give, the assassination already has given as excuse to the more dangerous Muqtada al-Sadr to get his own militia together, he has been assembling one for quite a while now [Imam Mahdi?s Army] and these are the people we should all worry about, he is pissed off because he has been booted out of the Governing Council and since he is not a Hawza religious scholar he has no power without having his own bunch of thugs. The statements which were spread around today are using the death of Hakim to put more blame on the Americans. Although we know very well that Muqtada al-sadr would not mind getting al-Hakim out of the game. The demonstrators were asking for the security issue to be handed over to Iraqis believe me we do not want to be guarded by sadr?s thugs, their Friday Imams belive that women should not even go to shops and their [groups of virtuous] have been behind the bombing of shops selling alcohol and behind the threats to cinema owners.

Beside the significance of assassinating an Ayatollah these fvckers did it in front of an entrance to Imam Ali?s shrine. What idiot would do that? It is the same question everyone was asking about the bombing of the UN building, what sort of person would do this sort of thing? There is nothing sacred anymore. And right after a Friday prayer. There is just so much to this. Hundreds of people beside the Ayatollah, it is totally devastating.
Yes I know they would want to have an Islamic state here but they are much mellower than the Sadr and his ?militant Hawza?, the importance of SCIRI is to counter balance. They have agreed to play the political game and abdul-Aziz al-Hakim (the Ayatollah?s brother) is on the Governing Council, isn?t he? They are working with the Americans.

Whoever did this is pure evil. The UN, an assassination in front of Imam Ali?s shrine. You wonder what will come next. If you ask me I think it will be media. Al-Jazeera I getting threatened quite often, and if you are moving with journalists the scariest thing that could happen is if people think you are from Jazeera. Al-Arabiya reporters were attacked in Najaf today and a couple of Reuter?s guys who the crowd thought were from Jazeera almost got in serious trouble. I got called an American intelligence agent and a collaborator with the Zionist agents, which kind of freaked me out."

Where is Raed?
Interesting prespective...
 

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