What a terrible tragedy, terrorism in India is not restricted just to Kashmir:
46 dead in Mumbai blasts
46 dead in Mumbai blasts
Bombing in India
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Terrorist attacks are not only inhumane but for the most part the are futile. All it seems to do is incite the other side to be more bfutal in their crackdown on insurgent groups. The only country in recent memory that have capitualted because of these types of attacks is the US (in Lebanon)
crazy, i just visited india a couple of weeks ago and went to the gateway. my relatives live there too. what a horrible thing to happen.
i know that you are not arguing for it, but i dont see how mass murder is going to change the history of the land or the opinion of the government.
I believe the bomb blasts were retaliation for an unfavourable verdict by the ASI to the muslims. I am of the opinion that muslim extremists in India are responsible for the blasts. I am not sure what you refer to as mass murder - these 45+ deaths or the impending backlash against the muslim community in India, but I condemn both equally. However, I am Hindu and I hold no claims to being neutral in this issue.
I was there three days ago and had lunch really close to the Gateway as well. It's really scary if you think about it. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought a bomb could go off in that area, and if I was there three days later I could have been killed.
Originally posted by: athithi
I believe the bomb blasts were retaliation for an unfavourable verdict by the ASI to the muslims. I am of the opinion that muslim extremists in India are responsible for the blasts. I am not sure what you refer to as mass murder - these 45+ deaths or the impending backlash against the muslim community in India, but I condemn both equally. However, I am Hindu and I hold no claims to being neutral in this issue.
This is but one of many, many atrocities that occur as a result communal rioting between Muslims and Hindus. In Gujrat, Muslims were brutaly massacred by Hindu extremists as well as during the actual demolition of the Babri Musjid. Then there is this most recent event as well as the train incident sometime back commited by Muslims. Both sides have extremists who become blood thirsty animals when tensions rise. It's just a sad and ugly fact of life in a country that is otherwise a truely magical place in its own way.
I've seen both sides of this story. Hindu extremist burning muslim's homes down with families still trapped in them, Hindu mobs raping and killing Muslim women in front of their husbands/fathers/brothers etc.. and Muslims bombing trains filled with Hindu's, using car bombs and suicide attacks to kill Hindus. This is not a totally one sided story here. You have extremist on both sides killing people to push their agendas foward. This is a very strong argument for government staying the hell out of religion and religion staying the hell out of government.
Hindus form 81% of the Indian population while Muslims form 12%. If they are fighting equally, someone is doing a heck of lot more fighting...
Of course, no fighting is always better than any fighting
Just trying to put things in perspective here. Islamic extremism is in a class of its own, though that obviously doesn't absolve any Hindu extremist of his/her guilt.Originally posted by: athithi
Hindus form 81% of the Indian population while Muslims form 12%. If they are fighting equally, someone is doing a heck of lot more fighting...
Of course, no fighting is always better than any fighting
You think that Islamic extremism is really in a class of it's own ? If so you really need to view the other side in India. Groups like the BJP, VHP, RSS ( these guys were formed by fascist members who back Germany in WW2 and believed they are the master race/religon ! ) members are just as bad as Kashmir rebels and militant Islamic groups. Most of this would not happen if groups like those above would just stop at their attempt at trying to tear down muslim mosque. Hell they even torn down a few Christian churches and replaced them with Hindu temples as reported by Pat.R and the gang at CBN.
http://www.soundvision.com/info/india/parties.asp
http://www.flonnet.com/fl1922/stories/20021108002209000.htm
http://cbn.org/cbnnews/cwn/031502india%2Easp
http://cbn.org/cbnnews/cwn/102502india%2Easp
I don't want to turn this into a religion bashing thread and I will make every sincere effort to ignore your posts regarding this topic in the future.
I wrote this huge, big explanation about the relative intolerances between Christianity, Islam and Hinduism. It turned out to be so much like Christianity and Islam bashing, that in the true spirit of a Hindu, I said, "Fvck you and the consecrated horse you rode in on" and decided you are not worth the trouble.
However, I simply couldn't resist this, lest any wayfarer who steps into this thread accidentally thinks you quoted some credible source:
Your sources...
1. Sound Vision - a Communications company serving the needs of Muslims
2. Frontline - a magazine whose Editor is a well-known Communist and atheist
3. CBN - deserves a paragraph by itself, see below
About CBN
The mission of CBN and its affiliated organizations is to prepare the United States of America and the nations of the world for the coming of Jesus Christ and the establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth. Our ultimate goal is to achieve a time in history when "the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea
Could you possibly find any source that is more anti-Hindu?
I wrote this huge, big explanation about the relative intolerances between Christianity, Islam and Hinduism. It turned out to be so much like Christianity and Islam bashing, that in the true spirit of a Hindu, I said, "Fvck you and the consecrated horse you rode in on" and decided you are not worth the trouble.
However, I simply couldn't resist this, lest any wayfarer who steps into this thread accidentally thinks you quoted some credible source:
Your sources...
1. Sound Vision - a Communications company serving the needs of Muslims
2. Frontline - a magazine whose Editor is a well-known Communist and atheist
3. CBN - deserves a paragraph by itself, see below
About CBN
The mission of CBN and its affiliated organizations is to prepare the United States of America and the nations of the world for the coming of Jesus Christ and the establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth. Our ultimate goal is to achieve a time in history when "the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea
Could you possibly find any source that is more anti-Hindu?
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: athithi
Hindus form 81% of the Indian population while Muslims form 12%. If they are fighting equally, someone is doing a heck of lot more fighting...
Of course, no fighting is always better than any fighting
You think that Islamic extremism is really in a class of it's own ? If so you really need to view the other side in India. Groups like the BJP, VHP, RSS ( these guys were formed by fascist members who back Germany in WW2 and believed they are the master race/religon ! ) members are just as bad as Kashmir rebels and militant Islamic groups. Most of this would not happen if groups like those above would just stop at their attempt at trying to tear down muslim mosque. Hell they even torn down a few Christian churches and replaced them with Hindu temples as reported by Pat.R and the gang at CBN.
http://www.soundvision.com/info/india/parties.asp
http://www.flonnet.com/fl1922/stories/20021108002209000.htm
http://cbn.org/cbnnews/cwn/031502india%2Easp
http://cbn.org/cbnnews/cwn/102502india%2Easp
One constant of Islam seems to be that wherever it is present, there are radical sects engaged in violence, and radical Islam is a problem in a great many countries around the world. If you want me to name them, just ask. Further, one point to consider in the conflict at hand is the fact that the VAST majority of the violence committed (and from what I know 100% of the terrorism commited, as opposed to government military action) occurs inside India, not Pakistan, and what does occur in Pakistan occurs along the disputed Line of Control, not within population centers in the interior.
Admittedly, both sides are far from blameless for the violence surrounding Jammu and Kashmir, but I do tend to favor the Indian side, though I must admit to a certain bias against Islam because of its attacks against my countrymen, fellow servicemembers, and my religion (Catholic). Nevertheless, if one could apportion blame, I think it's weighted toward the Islamic side, including but not limited to the active and tacit support of the Pakistani government.
Regardless, does it matter who is more to blame? The situation is delicate, deadly, and potentially nuclear. I just hope and pray that somehow a resolution is achieved before war erupts because the results would be a little portion of hell on Earth.
I am Indian. Not a muslim, not exactly a hindu.
All i can say is, this struggle is killing the country and its economy.
All i can say is, this struggle is killing the country and its economy.
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