Boeing puts India market at $35 bn

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Boeing puts India mkt at $35 bn
Our Bureau / Bangalore February 08, 2005
American aerospace conglomerate Boeing is revising upwards its estimate of the potential for India?s commercial civil aviation in the next 20 years to $35 billion, said Dinesh A Keskar, a senior vice president at Boeing here on Monday.

Boeing is ?talking to all carriers in India?, to sell its 777 series long haul aircraft and perhaps before this decade is out, the 7E7, an all composite aircraft that is more fuel efficient and comfortable.

That the country had seen seat availability grow from 50,000 three years ago to 5,00,000 this year, was only the beginning: As favourable regulations helped private players add more flights and destinations, including the long distance ones, ?no other market will see the kind of growththat will come here,? Keskar said.

?Airliners have a lot of money to make in this market,? he added, giving one of three keynote talks at a seminar on aerospace technologies, as part of the Aero India 2005 trade show.

Some time back, ?We had estimated that in the coming years, India will need 317 aircraft worth some $25 billion.?

The growth would be such that Indian commercial airliners will be able to absorb even more aircraft, worth an additional $10 billion, Keskar said.

Boeing, which hoped to sell as many of those aircraft as it could, also saw more opportunities for co-development of aircraft parts and software.

?While we will continue to work with companies like HAL, Infosys and Wipro Technologies, the potential for new partnerships with organisations such as the National Aerospace Laboratories in Bangalore are great,? he said.

As airliners sought to become more cost efficient, aircraft makers were seeking to make more common platforms than ever ? from cockpits, to avionics to entire aircraft systems.

Boeing wanted to sell its 777 200 LR (long range), which could fly non-stop for 15 hours to 18 hours from Bangalore to New York for instance, he said. Another aircraft was the 300 ER (extended range) that could take up to 400 passengers.

The 7E7, when it becomes commercially available in 2008, will be 20 per cent more fuel efficient and allow cabin comforts such as a feel of lower altitude, more humidity, better headroom, better lighting, wireless television sets, broadband internet connections and holographic projections of the night sky on the ceiling for ?mood lighting during long distance flights?.

The fuel efficiency is being improved on three fronts ? the engine, supplied by General Electric and Rolls Royce, aerodynamics and systems.

?A 7 per cent to 8 per cent improvement in each of these areas should lead to a 20 per cent overall fuel efficiency,? Keskar said.

The all-composite body allowed more humid air to be circulated inside the cabin, without the worry of corrosion that accompanies today?s aluminium bodied aircraft. This could help keep passengers less dehydrated.

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Boeing sees "remarkable growth" in India, to raise forecasts
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Monday February 07, 2005

US aerospace giant Boeing said it will increase its sales forecast for India India from 25 billion dollars to 30-35 billion dollars for the next two decades due to a booming market.

"Growth is remarkable in India, " said Dinesh Keskar, Boeing's senior vice-president sales.

"Our earlier forecast was to sell 300 airplanes worth 25 billion dollars over the next 20 years.

"Now the growth levels are high and passenger traffic is growing at about 20 percent every year. This will not be short-lived but one of the things that is going to be crucial here is improvement in infrastructure," Keskar told reporters ahead of Wednesday's opening of India's annual air show in Bangalore.

"Based on the pace of improvement in traffic management, parking facilities and the number of landings one can do every hour, we will decide whether the new forecast will be 30 billion dollars or 35 billion dollars," he said.

The number of air travellers in India India jumped 26.5 percent in the first half of the financial year to March with 18.52 million people boarding flights.

The launch of low-cost carrier Air Deccan last year sparked fare cuts that have resulted in 250,000 to 300,000 new passengers every month. Overseas routes are also being opened up to private carriers to boost competition and ensure enough capacity.

The government has also set up an aviation watchdog to oversee a 400-billion rupee (8.69-billion dollar) programme to revamp the country's ramshackle airports.

Boeing's Keskar said his firm's new forecast would reflect India's liberalisation policies in the aviation sector which has been bogged down by bureaucracy.

"The new forecast will reflect the changes in the aviation sector. New carriers have come up. For a population of more than a billion people there are only 125 jets while in the US there are more than 6,000 aircraft for 300 million people," he said.

"We want to enter the lost-cost fray in India India. "

He said Boeing had submitted bids to state-run Air India India to sell 50 aircraft including the 777-200 for long-haul flights.

"We are eagerly awaiting the verdict. The total order, including 35 firm and 15 options, works out to about seven billion dollars," Keskar said.

Boeing's competitor Airbus is also in the fray.

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Libyan private carrier signs deal for six Boeing-737s
AFP: 2/7/2005

TRIPOLI, Feb 7 (AFP) - Privately owned Libyan airline Buraq Air signed a deal on Monday to buy six Boeing 737-800s for a price of 366 million dollars, chief executive Mohammed Abdel Aziz said.

The first three planes are due for delivery in the first half of 2006 and will help the airline extend its routes to Europe and the Middle East in competition with state-owned Libyan Arab Airlines, Abdel Aziz said.

Libya's first private airline, Buraq Air currently owns six aircraft and leases another seven. It operates internal flights between the capital and the eastern city of Benghazi.

02/07/2005 14:11 GMT - AFP

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It just signed a contract with Ethiopia for about 10 new Boeing 787's. And other orders are starting to occur. Looks good for Boeing.
 

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I think with the 7E7,777 and the 737 series. Boeing presents a very nice line of planes to compete against Airbus
 

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Boeing reports healthy profit margin
By VALARIE TORRES, Citizen Reporter 02/07/2005

The Boeing Company reported strong revenue growth in its fourth quarter plus two multi-million dollar contracts with NASA for the Vision for Space Exploration study.

Boeing reported net earnings of $186 million, or $0.23 per share, on revenues of $13.3 billion. Mike Mott, the vice president and general manager of Boeing NASA Systems, which is headquartered in Houston, said, "It's been a great year for Boeing and certainly a great year for our portion of the business Boeing NASA Systems. We made great strides in the fourth quarter for space shuttle Return to Flight and a lot of great things happened with International Space Station."

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Boeing credits the Integrated Defense Systems and Commercial Airplanes divisions for major increases in reported revenues. Boeing reported IDS revenues increased 5 percent to $7.6 billion driven by growth in its Network Systems and Support Systems segments. Revenues for all of 2004 grew 11 percent to $30.5 billion on strong growth in these two divisions. Although Commercial Airplanes' revenues fell 8 percent to $5.4 billion, operating earnings for the year were $0.8 billion.

Contracts secured by the Boeing NASA Systems ensured the company's continued involvement in NASA's upcoming Return to Flight mission. The NASA Systems unit will conduct preliminary concept studies for human lunar exploration and the development of the crew exploration vehicle. The other contract is a $25 million Space Exploration program to work on seven technology development projects as part of NASA's Human and Robotic Technology program.

Since U.S. President, George W. Bush made it clear in a speech on Jan. 14, 2004 that a return to space was imminent, Boeing has increasingly collaborated with NASA to ensure the success of upcoming space shuttle missions.

"We're looking forward to Return to Flight and STS-114 happening. We're going to make that in May, and right now we're still on date for that," said Mott.

The launch planning window for the Return to Flight Mission is May 12 through June 3.

Mott said Boeing has played a key role in almost every aspect of Return to Flight, working with NASA and the United Space Alliance. He expects the shuttle to be launched on May 15.

"We are pushing very hard for the fifteenth of May. Right now, we think we have a real fighting chance for the fifteenth of May," said Mott.

Boeing IDS is one of the world's largest space and defense businesses. Headquartered in St. Louis, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is a $27 billion business. Pasadena is the headquarters of the NASA Systems business unit for Boeing.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?news...&BRD=1574&PAG=461&dept_id=532238&rfi=6
 

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Remarkable growth in india will help boeing and airbus.
Same reason increasing computer sales is good for nvidia and ati, not just one exclusively.

Good to hear about the increasing forcasts in orders, aerospace is one of the few industries that is almost exclusively domestic.

If air travel is to take off in india, it'll be interesting to see whether india will opt for more 7E7's or fewer 800 seat A380.

It seems to me that india is a small country with dense population centres, could be good news for the A380 as well.

The prediction is over 20 years where alternatives to the 7E7 will be on the market.

All around good news for everyone i think :)
 

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Remarkable growth in india will help boeing and airbus.
Same reason increasing computer sales is good for nvidia and ati, not just one exclusively.

Good to hear about the increasing forcasts in orders, aerospace is one of the few industries that is almost exclusively domestic.

If air travel is to take off in india, it'll be interesting to see whether india will opt for more 7E7's or fewer 800 seat A380.

It seems to me that india is a small country with dense population centres, could be good news for the A380 as well.

The prediction is over 20 years where alternatives to the 7E7 will be on the market.

All around good news for everyone i think :)

India is the 7th largest country in the world in terms of land area.
 

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Originally posted by: whitecloak
India is the 7th largest country in the world in terms of land area.
And im sure they need a 7E7 to get across it :roll:
Im sure an A380 could go across the country many times over.
Not to mention major cities that have huge amounts of people to move.
 

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every major city is within 1500-2000km of each other.
A380 has a range of 10,000km.
7E7 has a range of 15,000km.

It will all come down to india needing high volume low cost or long range medium volume.
Should be interesting who benifits from this growth.
 

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Remarkable growth in india will help boeing and airbus.
Same reason increasing computer sales is good for nvidia and ati, not just one exclusively.

Good to hear about the increasing forcasts in orders, aerospace is one of the few industries that is almost exclusively domestic.

If air travel is to take off in india, it'll be interesting to see whether india will opt for more 7E7's or fewer 800 seat A380.

It seems to me that india is a small country with dense population centres, could be good news for the A380 as well.

The prediction is over 20 years where alternatives to the 7E7 will be on the market.

All around good news for everyone i think :)

The local carriers in India will be happy with smaller size jets, its safe to assume. The international Indian airlines will be interest in the 777's and 787's. Also, India's territory is vast, some of its islands are near Malaysia.
Maybe you didnt read the article(s)
 

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Most of the growth will be in international travel. The state owned carrier Air-India puts pressure on the government to restrict international flights, because it is unprofitable itself and fears competition. But that's keeping India behind, and they will relax restrictions on private carriers flying to other countries. Also, most of India's airports are in poor shape, but that will likely change within the next 5 years. There are plans to partially privatize the airports and invite foreign construction expertise.

India has a large reserve of U.S. currency as well as a trade surplus with the U.S., it should be a good opportunity for Boeing to sell airplanes.
 

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hehe, all these americans saying how much better this is for boeing.
newsflash, good for all plane companies.

they will buy the planes that will give them the most profit. If there is enough demand it'll make more sense to get A380's.
If smaller is needed, they will buy boeing or airbus equivalent.

Also, India is part of the commonwealth, im sure they have a good relationship with the Brits.
The world is interconnected these days, india will make the best business decision for them.
 

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Originally posted by: MisterCornell
Most of the growth will be in international travel. The state owned carrier Air-India puts pressure on the government to restrict international flights, because it is unprofitable itself and fears competition. But that's keeping India behind, and they will relax restrictions on private carriers flying to other countries. Also, most of India's airports are in poor shape, but that will likely change within the next 5 years. There are plans to partially privatize the airports and invite foreign construction expertise.

India has a large reserve of U.S. currency as well as a trade surplus with the U.S., it should be a good opportunity for Boeing to sell airplanes.

I highly doubt India has a trade surplus with USA. But your correct, most of the growth will definately will be in international travel. If by saying India's airports are in poor shape, do you mean they can't handle larger planes, such as the A380?

Well a Airbus official has said that the A380 can land anywhere a Boeing 747 can land, so it wont make a difference.
 

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Originally posted by: Stunt
hehe, all these americans saying how much better this is for boeing.
newsflash, good for all plane companies.

they will buy the planes that will give them the most profit. If there is enough demand it'll make more sense to get A380's.
If smaller is needed, they will buy boeing or airbus equivalent.

Also, India is part of the commonwealth, im sure they have a good relationship with the Brits.
The world is interconnected these days, india will make the best business decision for them.

Japan overwhelmingly favors Boeing airplanes over Airbus, because they hold lots of dollars and there's pressure on the airline companies from the government to help reduce the trade surplus with the U.S. It's a captive market for Boeing products.

Same thing with India.

Also the high price of the Euro does not help things.
 

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Originally posted by: MisterCornell
Originally posted by: Stunt
hehe, all these americans saying how much better this is for boeing.
newsflash, good for all plane companies.

they will buy the planes that will give them the most profit. If there is enough demand it'll make more sense to get A380's.
If smaller is needed, they will buy boeing or airbus equivalent.

Also, India is part of the commonwealth, im sure they have a good relationship with the Brits.
The world is interconnected these days, india will make the best business decision for them.

Japan overwhelmingly favors Boeing airplanes over Airbus, because they hold lots of dollars and there's pressure on the airline companies from the government to help reduce the trade surplus with the U.S. It's a captive market for Boeing products.

Same thing with India.

Also the high price of the Euro does not help things.
Japan makes some of the parts for boeing, that's why they buy.
Also the US is buying up Japanese debt in tern for Japan buying US debt.
India doeant have this complication. They will buy the planes that best suit their needs.
Speculating now what they will buy in 20 years is pretty useless.

I wouldnt be confident in any assumptions 20 years from now.:p
 

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: MisterCornell
Originally posted by: Stunt
hehe, all these americans saying how much better this is for boeing.
newsflash, good for all plane companies.

they will buy the planes that will give them the most profit. If there is enough demand it'll make more sense to get A380's.
If smaller is needed, they will buy boeing or airbus equivalent.

Also, India is part of the commonwealth, im sure they have a good relationship with the Brits.
The world is interconnected these days, india will make the best business decision for them.

Japan overwhelmingly favors Boeing airplanes over Airbus, because they hold lots of dollars and there's pressure on the airline companies from the government to help reduce the trade surplus with the U.S. It's a captive market for Boeing products.

Same thing with India.

Also the high price of the Euro does not help things.
Japan makes some of the parts for boeing, that's why they buy.
Also the US is buying up Japanese debt in tern for Japan buying US debt.
India doeant have this complication. They will buy the planes that best suit their needs.
Speculating now what they will buy in 20 years is pretty useless.

I wouldnt be confident in any assumptions 20 years from now.:p

I dont think anyone is speculating what specific aircraft India will buy in 20 years from now or along the way, but they are predicting emmense growth. Probably bigger growth than any other region/country in the world.

This is due to a rapid rise in Indians traveling by air overseas and across India.
 

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Originally posted by: raildogg
I dont think anyone is speculating what specific aircraft India will buy in 20 years from now or along the way, but they are predicting emmense growth. Probably bigger growth than any other region/country in the world.

This is due to a rapid rise in Indians traveling by air overseas and across India.
Agreed :thumbsup:
what's good for india is good for us (whether that may be american or european) :)
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I think with the 7E7,777 and the 737 series. Boeing presents a very nice line of planes to compete against Airbus

More than just compete, continue their domination.
 

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Genx87
I think with the 7E7,777 and the 737 series. Boeing presents a very nice line of planes to compete against Airbus

More than just compete, continue their domination.
Heh
you like to be a sh!t disturber eh?
Yes ntdz, airbus competes with boeing and boeing competes with airbus.
domination would require boeing to sell more planes than airbus, that hasnt happened for a while. Nice try though.
I think Boeing's planes are great but not dominating :p
 

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Genx87
I think with the 7E7,777 and the 737 series. Boeing presents a very nice line of planes to compete against Airbus

More than just compete, continue their domination.
Heh
you like to be a sh!t disturber eh?
Yes ntdz, airbus competes with boeing and boeing competes with airbus.
domination would require boeing to sell more planes than airbus, that hasnt happened for a while. Nice try though.
I think Boeing's planes are great but not dominating :p

Airbus sells more planes, but they are smaller and cheaper. Boeing's revenue in 2004 was $52 billion to $34 billion for Airbus.
 
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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Genx87
I think with the 7E7,777 and the 737 series. Boeing presents a very nice line of planes to compete against Airbus

More than just compete, continue their domination.
Heh
you like to be a sh!t disturber eh?
Yes ntdz, airbus competes with boeing and boeing competes with airbus.
domination would require boeing to sell more planes than airbus, that hasnt happened for a while. Nice try though.
I think Boeing's planes are great but not dominating :p

Airbus sells more planes, but they are smaller and cheaper. Boeing's revenue in 2004 was $52 billion to $34 billion for Airbus.

Is that total revenue or only revenue related to this industry?
 

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Smaller and Cheaper?
hrmmm, i disagree, im pretty sure the models are very similar, both size and quality.
even bigger now with the A380.

Revenues there probably include defence revenues which airbus doesnt target.
For passenger jets i'd say Airbus is definately winning this round, although boeing has some nice stuff waiting in the wings, should be interesting.

if you can find info on this "smaller and cheaper" comment, i'd appreciate :)
 
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Revenues there probably include defence revenues which airbus doesnt target.

That's what I'm thinking. I think that Airbus had more total sales in terms of dollars in 2004 in this specific industry.