boeing '60s stealth tech

[dawp]

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/never-seen-photos-of-boeings-1960s-stealth-jet-concept-1732308296

quite an in interesting design with many modern stealth features.

 

[K7SN]

That link takes you to a good article and another link about Senior Peg and such. Interesting reading. We can play the 'what if game' if for instance the went with Lockheed's Senior Peg over the B-2; cheaper to build but we'd have more than 20 of them.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/lockheeds-senior-peg-the-forgotten-stealth-bomber-1534057907

Thanks for the link and a trip back in time for me.

 

[ALIVE]

to break your bubble
1. how radars work
they send a signal i bounce off and then they read the signal returning

what stealth technology does the bounce signal goes with a specific angle making sure it will not return to the radar
thus invisible

thats why the american plane what that strange angled surface
to bounce the signal with a specific angle

so Russians made the new radar system
it is 2 units i sending and 1 receiving
so even the stealth planes now appear very very well

also changing the radar frequency can counter the surface of the plane
while a frequency will balance away from the plane another frequency will bounce back to the radar


also to keep in mind every object that moves through air makes turbulence
and that turbulence you can detect it in the radar
and not only detect it but also different planes while cause a different one
so you can also identify the plane

so while you track the distortion on the air it is logical to figure out that the plane is a bit on more forward from what you are receiving
so a computer can easily calculate where the plane is

so stealth technology interesting yes
but hyped
against weak countries yes it may work
but against a serious country you do not have stealth planes

you over pay a plane for an ability that actual does not have
but thats the american way
all bs talk but no product to back it up

as long there is something physical somewhere you can always detect
either direct or indirect
discussion finished

 

[twinrider1]

...
but thats the american way
all bs talk but no product to back it up

...

That is funny.

 

[styrafoam]

to break your bubble
bawk bawk bawk bawk
it is 2 units i sending and 1 receiving
so even the stealth planes now appear very very well
bawk bawk bawk bawk

This was actually anticipated and planned for. Receiver station gets a missile on the way in, now every aircraft is a stealth plane.

 

[ALIVE]

This was actually anticipated and planned for. Receiver station gets a missile on the way in, now every aircraft is a stealth plane.

well if you manage to have completely air superiority
then it does not matter stealth or not

so
war break out

you take out your stealth planes that are not stealth
and the enemy can point them in radar systems
so they can sent anti aircraft missiles to destroy your planes
or send their own planes for dogfight

to kill the radars and make your palnes stealth
you need first to win
the enemy air force
the enemy air defense

and all that you will do with the plane being not stealth since it will be detected

so again stealth is a hype
you will use the planes are normal to gain air superiority
and then it does not matter if the plane is or not

keep hyping and spending money for things that will not pay out

 

[Ken g6]

what stealth technology does the bounce signal goes with a specific angle making sure it will not return to the radar
thus invisible

thats why the american plane what that strange angled surface
to bounce the signal with a specific angle

so Russians made the new radar system
it is 2 units i sending and 1 receiving
so even the stealth planes now appear very very well

Stealth bounces or absorbs radar. If the signal is absorbed, no receiver station can pick up anything.

However, you're correct that:

also changing the radar frequency can counter the surface of the plane
while a frequency will balance away from the plane another frequency will bounce back to the radar

Most materials don't absorb all frequencies equally.

 

[Printer Bandit]

http://www.amazon.com/The-After-Roswell-Philip-Corso/dp/067101756X

 

[angminas]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation

 

[ALIVE]

Stealth bounces or absorbs radar. If the signal is absorbed, no receiver station can pick up anything.

However, you're correct that:



Most materials don't absorb all frequencies equally.

also you did not comment that we can actual detect the air distortions the plane causes

so even the radars on today with no change will work
against any stealth technology

so spending billions for something that will need zero modification to counter react
IS A HYPE

when america ussr sign a treatie that they will lower the testing of nuclear bombs how they knew the other side hold the bargain??
from seismographs when you donate a nuclear devise under soil it will make an earthquake which you can detect almost all round the world it is a small area that can not been detected.

so you pay attention to seismographs and see if they do a test or not

you do not have to see the test
you detect what the explosion done to the surrounding

so we can always detect direct or indirect an object and thus a plane
while we can not see a black hole we can see the event horizon if you see the horizon you know there is a black hole

stealth will work for countries that produce no weapons but buy them
but thee countries you can beat them because they do not produce


the countries that produce arms
then they know how radars or stealth works nowadays
and they know how to counter it
i told you 3 possibilities that makes all stealth as no existence

 

[Hugo Drax]

Also Passive radar picks them up as well.

 

[John Connor]

Looks like a X3 or Predator drone. Little did they know...

 

[John Connor]

That link takes you to a good article and another link about Senior Peg and such. Interesting reading. We can play the 'what if game' if for instance the went with Lockheed's Senior Peg over the B-2; cheaper to build but we'd have more than 20 of them.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/lockheeds-senior-peg-the-forgotten-stealth-bomber-1534057907

Thanks for the link and a trip back in time for me.

That looks just like a Black Manta I have installed in FS2004. I have to tune this craft because right now it flys like shit. LOL I was trying to get it past mach 3.

 

[John Connor]

Also Passive radar picks them up as well.

And I bet our advisories have this...

I'm sure Lockheed thought of it since they reduced the IR sig on the B-2A as well. It's why we have KXTA.

Opponents of the technology cite the following disadvantages:

• Immaturity
• Reliance on third-party illuminators
• Complexity of deployment
• 1D/2D operation, but possible use 2 different systems for 3D (height + range).

 

[ALIVE]

And I bet our advisories have this...

I'm sure Lockheed thought of it since they reduced the IR sig on the B-2A as well. It's why we have KXTA.

Opponents of the technology cite the following disadvantages:

• Immaturity
• Reliance on third-party illuminators
• Complexity of deployment
• 1D/2D operation, but possible use 2 different systems for 3D (height + range).

lol
another hype
lets make a list to say why we are stealth
it does not matter we list bullshit

existing radars can detect the stealth planes
so a plane not being stealth but we call it stealth
and then we say they need a new radar system thus
immaturity of what?????

you know how easy is to change frequency in the radar???
you realize the consent of the radar to find a plane that uses 2 radar as are today

so yes just also say that the new radars need a new component
that the other do not have
so another reason they can not build it

build what????
the existing radars with no modifications detect the stealth planes so new components to do what?????

while we have weather radar which what it detects turbulence in air
existent technology
nope we can not use this existing product to look for the turbulence a plane does
we need something exotic new
lol
the american education system at the best
because someone says something it des not make it true

thats why we have something called logical progress
you tell something
you think about it
and you agree it is valid or invalid
unless you are american
you are told something
you respond yes its true

because you had stupid politicians that never passed a physics lesson
or did not care
and they bought stealth plane because a company sold them one
does not make the plane stealth

as i told you did not pay billions of dollars so an african country with no airports and with 1 radar from ww1 can no spot your plane

you are paying billions to get an advantage against a country with competitive industry
and when you pay for a characteristic that simple does not work
then you are IDIOT

well it may be good for internal propaganda and HYPE
but that is it all
you could have spent the money somewhere else to actually make a better plane

and by strategic site all this is bullshit aspects
in a war against russia or china
it does not matter if you have the best planes best navy best army
the moment one side is loosing
they will hit the button
BOOOMMMMMMM
nuclear end of humanity

so again keep paying billions for something when you need it is not there
and will not make you win

be bankrupt for having visible stealth planes

remember the stealth plane shoot down from serbs???
what was the reaction of usa??
blamed the russia for providing advances war matterial to shoot down

because the material the serbs had as your propaganda told could not shoot down a plane

but it does not matter
if it was an old radar system that detect the plane and shoot down
or a more advanced one from russia

what it matters is that is exist
of immature not in the future but now

in the end of day
usa claims stealth planes can not be down
end of war they had planes shoot down
enjoy the HYPE
you are americans after all

 

[destrekor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation

:biggrin:

I, of the wall of text guild, can't even handle his posts.

But there's something different about his mental faculties, something that goes beyond what grammar education could ever correct.

 

[Humpy]

lol
another hype
lets make a list to say why we are stealth
it does not matter we list bullshit

existing radars can detect the stealth planes
so a plane not being stealth but we call it stealth
and then we say they need a new radar system thus
immaturity of what?????

you know how easy is to change frequency in the radar???
you realize the consent of the radar to find a plane that uses 2 radar as are today

so yes just also say that the new radars need a new component
that the other do not have
so another reason they can not build it

build what????
the existing radars with no modifications detect the stealth planes so new components to do what?????

while we have weather radar which what it detects turbulence in air
existent technology
nope we can not use this existing product to look for the turbulence a plane does
we need something exotic new
lol
the american education system at the best
because someone says something it des not make it true

thats why we have something called logical progress
you tell something
you think about it
and you agree it is valid or invalid
unless you are american
you are told something
you respond yes its true

because you had stupid politicians that never passed a physics lesson
or did not care
and they bought stealth plane because a company sold them one
does not make the plane stealth

as i told you did not pay billions of dollars so an african country with no airports and with 1 radar from ww1 can no spot your plane

you are paying billions to get an advantage against a country with competitive industry
and when you pay for a characteristic that simple does not work
then you are IDIOT

well it may be good for internal propaganda and HYPE
but that is it all
you could have spent the money somewhere else to actually make a better plane

and by strategic site all this is bullshit aspects
in a war against russia or china
it does not matter if you have the best planes best navy best army
the moment one side is loosing
they will hit the button
BOOOMMMMMMM
nuclear end of humanity

so again keep paying billions for something when you need it is not there
and will not make you win

be bankrupt for having visible stealth planes

remember the stealth plane shoot down from serbs???
what was the reaction of usa??
blamed the russia for providing advances war matterial to shoot down

because the material the serbs had as your propaganda told could not shoot down a plane

but it does not matter
if it was an old radar system that detect the plane and shoot down
or a more advanced one from russia

what it matters is that is exist
of immature not in the future but now

in the end of day
usa claims stealth planes can not be down
end of war they had planes shoot down
enjoy the HYPE
you are americans after all

Whatever, we have lasers now.

 

[ALIVE]

Whatever, we have lasers now.

it does not matter your lasers are not strong enough to destroy a missile
star wars terminated before they produce any actual weapon that could be deployed

and even if you manage to make a laser then the enemies simple build a heavier missile thicker metal protection
and bye bye laser is useless

unless you have shields like star trek you have nothing
but you know
your government can buy shields from companies that can do nothing
but make you feel better
we have shieldssssssssss

 

[MongGrel]

it does not matter your lasers are not strong enough to destroy a missile
star wars terminated before they produce any actual weapon that could be deployed

and even if you manage to make a laser then the enemies simple build a heavier missile thicker metal protection
and bye bye laser is useless

unless you have shields like star trek you have nothing
but you know
your government can buy shields from companies that can do nothing
but make you feel better
we have shieldssssssssss

Just please stop.

It hurts to read your posts, without face palming almost non stop.

 

[Humpy]

it does not matter your lasers are not strong enough to destroy a missile
star wars terminated before they produce any actual weapon that could be deployed

and even if you manage to make a laser then the enemies simple build a heavier missile thicker metal protection
and bye bye laser is useless

unless you have shields like star trek you have nothing
but you know
your government can buy shields from companies that can do nothing
but make you feel better
we have shieldssssssssss

Hmmm, interesting.

 

[ALIVE]

Just please stop.

It hurts to read your posts, without face palming almost non stop.

Guy tries to kill a spider with fire. Hilarity ensues.

so if this is the typical american

face palm is not enough for the level you manage to have

i suggest you close the school all together as they seem to be doing nothing
if people after spending so much time in school

1. light lighter in a pump to kill spider
2. woman sue McDonald because the hot coffee burned her

what on earth you spent all these money for
and you torture the poor kids

if a person does not know that hot coffee split on you can cause you burns
or petrol is flammable lol

come on top gear made an episode in america and then they give away the 3 cars they bought in the states
and you know what happened
they got sued because the person who got the car or free discovered that the television host told him the wrong year of the model of the car
he was wrong for a year


thats the level of your country

and if you have something to add in conversation by all means add it
with facts try to debug what i say
but thats not the american way any more
when i do not have arguments i attack the person
and suddenly i won the discussion
maybe you should ask me to check my white privilege??
my male privily?

diverting the conversation to something other does not make you win the conversation
if you have something to add about stealth and radar detection please add
if not you can face palm as you want but face palm is not an argument to win
and because you face palm that does not mean you are right i am wrong
it may also mean i am complete ignorant who also does not want to learn anything but stay in my delusion little world

either provide something or face palm in silence

 

[John Connor]

lol
another hype
lets make a list to say why we are stealth
it does not matter we list bullshit

existing radars can detect the stealth planes
so a plane not being stealth but we call it stealth
and then we say they need a new radar system thus
immaturity of what?????

you know how easy is to change frequency in the radar???
you realize the consent of the radar to find a plane that uses 2 radar as are today

so yes just also say that the new radars need a new component
that the other do not have
so another reason they can not build it

build what????
the existing radars with no modifications detect the stealth planes so new components to do what?????

while we have weather radar which what it detects turbulence in air
existent technology
nope we can not use this existing product to look for the turbulence a plane does
we need something exotic new
lol
the american education system at the best
because someone says something it des not make it true

thats why we have something called logical progress
you tell something
you think about it
and you agree it is valid or invalid
unless you are american
you are told something
you respond yes its true

because you had stupid politicians that never passed a physics lesson
or did not care
and they bought stealth plane because a company sold them one
does not make the plane stealth

as i told you did not pay billions of dollars so an african country with no airports and with 1 radar from ww1 can no spot your plane

you are paying billions to get an advantage against a country with competitive industry
and when you pay for a characteristic that simple does not work
then you are IDIOT

well it may be good for internal propaganda and HYPE
but that is it all
you could have spent the money somewhere else to actually make a better plane

and by strategic site all this is bullshit aspects
in a war against russia or china
it does not matter if you have the best planes best navy best army
the moment one side is loosing
they will hit the button
BOOOMMMMMMM
nuclear end of humanity

so again keep paying billions for something when you need it is not there
and will not make you win

be bankrupt for having visible stealth planes

remember the stealth plane shoot down from serbs???
what was the reaction of usa??
blamed the russia for providing advances war matterial to shoot down

because the material the serbs had as your propaganda told could not shoot down a plane

but it does not matter
if it was an old radar system that detect the plane and shoot down
or a more advanced one from russia

what it matters is that is exist
of immature not in the future but now

in the end of day
usa claims stealth planes can not be down
end of war they had planes shoot down
enjoy the HYPE
you are americans after all

Can you format your post's better because I can't read that long shit. And American starts with a capital A!

 

[ALIVE]

Can you format your post's better because I can't read that long shit. And American starts with a capital A!

i do not use any capital letter to any country
the why is another discussion

 

[John Connor]

 

[styrafoam]

Guy tries to kill a spider with fire. Hilarity ensues.

so if this is the typical american

face palm is not enough for the level you manage to have

i suggest you close the school all together as they seem to be doing nothing
if people after spending so much time in school

1. light lighter in a pump to kill spider
2. woman sue McDonald because the hot coffee burned her

what on earth you spent all these money for
and you torture the poor kids

if a person does not know that hot coffee split on you can cause you burns
or petrol is flammable lol

come on top gear made an episode in america and then they give away the 3 cars they bought in the states
and you know what happened
they got sued because the person who got the car or free discovered that the television host told him the wrong year of the model of the car
he was wrong for a year


thats the level of your country

and if you have something to add in conversation by all means add it
with facts try to debug what i say
but thats not the american way any more
when i do not have arguments i attack the person
and suddenly i won the discussion
maybe you should ask me to check my white privilege??
my male privily?

diverting the conversation to something other does not make you win the conversation
if you have something to add about stealth and radar detection please add
if not you can face palm as you want but face palm is not an argument to win
and because you face palm that does not mean you are right i am wrong
it may also mean i am complete ignorant who also does not want to learn anything but stay in my delusion little world

either provide something or face palm in silence

You know what? You are right. At first the conversation was about an article talking about an old airplane. Then you changed it to the topic of russian radar. Then it was about nuclear war and american ego. Then it was about laser proof missles which will be developed in the future. And finally, hot coffee, top gear, and a spider. Nobody should reply, because they can't debug all that.