Boehner proposes leaving 52 Million Americans without insurance.

[DucatiMonster696]

This is so funny.......

The fact that Health Care Bill was:

- so large that no one really read it all or new the exact details of the bill itself...

- does not actually address cost cutting measures needed to actually fix the system !

- increase the doctor shortage for people seeking a new doctor with this plan.

- forces some people to accept a plan they would not want in the first place and forces them to pay for it.

- would end up potentially creating a bloated, unmanageable and inefficient government run bureaucratic system compounding the current unresolved issues with the current system and its costs.

is meaningless to liberals on this board as they don't care, they just know they want it because gosh darn it they deserve it. /stomp feet

 

[manimal]

How exactly does that work?
Are you saying that if I pay $2,000 in health care premiums and never visit the ER or use any medication, the insurance company will write me a refund check for $1,700 at the end of the year?

Yup you get a rebate check at the end of the year..... This provision to me is the biggest reason that douchebag that just got elected in FLA for governor spent a small fortune creating the patients bill of rights scream campaign of that wonderful summer....


Can anyone tell me this provision is bad?

 

[First]

It's inescapable that you're going to pay more when you add 30M people to the rolls. Republicans don't have a lot of leeway here and Dems are probably better suited as the minority party in any case.

 

[nyker96]

This is so funny.......

The fact that Health Care Bill was:

- so large that no one really read it all or new the exact details of the bill itself...

- does not actually address cost cutting measures needed to actually fix the system !

- increase the doctor shortage for people seeking a new doctor with this plan.

- forces some people to accept a plan they would not want in the first place and forces them to pay for it.

- would end up potentially creating a bloated, unmanageable and inefficient government run bureaucratic system compounding the current unresolved issues with the current system and its costs.

is meaningless to liberals on this board as they don't care, they just know they want it because gosh darn it they deserve it. /stomp feet

I don't disagree with you on the fact that government managed system tends to be bloated and inefficient. But the logic of covering everyone so they will do regular checkups is sound. This will allow early detection which for many disease that if allowed to progress to later stages will require enormous amounts of money to manage patient care.

Of course, no one likes others to tell them what to do, especially the government. That's understandable. But the fact is, you still need to require all people to not only get coverage but do regular checkups. If not then total cost of GDP devoted to unnecessary health care costs are going to keep going up.

 

[Generator]

I work with at least 10 different people who keep their job just for the insurance benefits.

God you Republicans are deranged. Absolutely deranged. That insurance that cuts into your paycheck is insurance only in name. Your child that you work so hard for to cover only a few months ago could have been kicked off the rolls at any moment. Not to mention the insurance itself is shameful.

I just don't get it. I just don't understand how people put their trust in privatized middle men fuck you over insurance companies. Deluded, deluded fools. Slaves! Stupid slaves.

 

[theeedude]

As is health insurance company profit, but that doesn't stop the Democrats from wailing and gnashing their teeth about it. The problems with health care are far deeper than anyone wants to talk about.

Profit is not same as overhead. The Insurance industry is up in arms because the new law requires them to pay at least 80% of premiums for care. That means that 20% of healthcare costs go to pay people who don't provide any health care at all.

 

[umbrella39]

Want health insurance? Then pay for it. The people have spoken, shut the fuck up communists, we don't want what you're selling. This. Is. America!!!!

Fuck you and anyone who shows up at the ER without insurance then.

You OK with that Karl? Seriously... do we the people have you on board with this plan?

 

[umbrella39]

LOL, I have no doubt the first piece of shit bill this house produces will be

H.R. 6969 Repeal Obamacare

followed closely by

H.R. 6669 Impeach Obummer


I fully expect them to completely make a mockery of the legislative process, probably even worse than their constant preoccupation with Clintons penis in the 90's.

It is almost a given they will do both of the things you have stated but not necessarily in that order. GOP needs to STFU and start coming up with some solutions fast. The 6-12 month clock has already started ticking AFAIC as that is all the time Obama and the Dems had to fix the mess Bush left before the lynch mob showed up trying to revise history and not only blame him for not fixing the mess but for making it in the first place.

 

[MrX8503]

the current system is broken.
why do i have to go through insurance for an annual? insurance is for an unexpected, catastrophic event such as cancer. not because i have the flu.

just like you don't go through car ins for a burned out light bulb. the system is retarded.

Everyone knows that preventative measures is cheaper and more effective in saving lives. I change my car oil when it needs to be changed, not when my car engine seizes.

Article quoted in OP's post is BS. Most of the people without insurance can't afford it, to force to buy something they already cannot afford(obamacare) is idiotic. Since Obamacare does nothing to address rising costs, while at the same decreasing quality of care and amplifying the doctor shortage, I will give Boehner a medal if he pulls it off.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/03/cbo_health-care_reform_bill_cu.html

Its going to reduce the deficit by $1.3 T over the next 20 years, all the while covering 95% of the US population. Without a public option, health insurance companies will continue to rape you with health care costs. Without reform, for the next 20 years healthcare is going to be crazy expensive.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Anyone can afford insurance if they have their priorities in line.
A basic plan can be had for ~$100 while a plan with prescription and other benefits can be had for ~$175.

Let see,minimum wage is $7.25. Working 10 hour days at 6 days per week, that is $22,600 per year while health care expenses would be under $2,400.

Those with "pre existing conditions" only make up 3% of the population or roughly 10 million people.

Try again.

How about the un or under employed faced with insurance costs higher than their gross weekly pay? Becoming employed is largely beyond the employee's control when there's a net deficit of jobs. Someone is going to get left out, and they WILL do whatever they have to in order to survive. That includes killing you, me, or anyone else they have to. And they'd be right to do so.

The end result of the path so many of you cherish is all-out civil war. And this is coming from someone completely opposed to the health care bill. Either find a way to make health care AFFORDABLE for 100% of the country, or put on a bulletproof vest and get ready for the bloodiest conflict in American history. I'm personally fine with it either way.

 

[cubby1223]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...th-care-overhaul-from-taxes-to-insurance.html

According to CBO, no less. So that's what they are going to "replace" it with? 52 Million uninsured?

You do realize that under that plan, buying health insurance is optional, and many of the estimated 52 million you speak of are people who can afford insurance but choose not to purchase it.

But thanks for playing the crybaby partisan hack game

 

[cubby1223]

Profit is not same as overhead. The Insurance industry is up in arms because the new law requires them to pay at least 80% of premiums for care. That means that 20% of healthcare costs go to pay people who don't provide any health care at all.

You're just all about buzzwords, convenient talking points, without much of a clue how to actually run a business or an organization.

Damn, why the fuck do I have to cover the salaries of the people who handle the interactions between the hospital and the insurance companies? Why the fuck do I have to cover the salaries of the people who handle the personal records? Why the fuck do I have to cover the salaries of the people who answer the phones when I call with a question? Fuck overhead!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's pure evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as a progressive thinker I must be outraged at anything that I think stands in the way of my wet dream!!!!!!!!!

 

[cubby1223]

LOL, I have no doubt the first piece of shit bill this house produces will be

H.R. 6969 Repeal Obamacare

followed closely by

H.R. 6669 Impeach Obummer


I fully expect them to completely make a mockery of the legislative process, probably even worse than their constant preoccupation with Clintons penis in the 90's.

Seriously, I've seen this a lot the past couple days, why the fuck do "progressives" think this new Republican House is forming impeachment plans? What is MSNBC feeding you guys? What is moveon.org telling you? Where is this coming from?

 

[Zebo]

How is that different than a single payer system? Those who earn more pay, those who earn less and pay not taxes (or worse, get free gov cash in the form of credits) pay nothing. Either way those who actually pay will pay for those who don't.

And yet it still doesn't address the problem of cost. No politician has a clue why health care costs so much. It's not because of insurance. Insurance is a middle man, and yes they take their cut, but it does not double the cost of health care. Government is a middle man and would take their cut from a single payer system also, and we know how inefficient the federal government is, so there's likely very little savings there.

In USA we refuse to address cost side . Basically so Phizer CEO can make 120 million. I've never heard of buying in bulk and not negotiating like Medicare part D. Essentially we give them monopoly power and allow them to charge whatever they want. The other countries where it costs 2-3x less (an happen to insure everyone) dont play that game they say if you want monopoly power we expect reasonable prices in return. And yes Insurance tacks on 20% to HC which they don't have.

Same goes for Drs too BTW - you can't practice w/o a license, a DEA # very closed cartel no free market about it. Same for Insurance Companies, congress must sanctify you. Monopolies.

Is it reasonable for consumer to ask for price protection against monopolies?

 

[Zebo]

How about the un or under employed faced with insurance costs higher than their gross weekly pay? Becoming employed is largely beyond the employee's control when there's a net deficit of jobs. Someone is going to get left out, and they WILL do whatever they have to in order to survive. That includes killing you, me, or anyone else they have to. And they'd be right to do so.

The end result of the path so many of you cherish is all-out civil war. And this is coming from someone completely opposed to the health care bill. Either find a way to make health care AFFORDABLE for 100% of the country, or put on a bulletproof vest and get ready for the bloodiest conflict in American history. I'm personally fine with it either way.

That's coming anyway.

All it takes is "sudden stop" when people stop loaning us 1-2 trillion a year. Or QE continues.

 

[pcgeek11]

3 percent of deaths in the US are from the Flu or Pneumonia that is twice the number from fire arms. Should we get rid of police for the poor?

So what? Most of that 3 percent have health insurance. WTF does that have to do with the Police? Just because people die from it doesn't make it an emergency when you get a sniffle.

Same question for you: Do you go to the emergency room when you get a sniffle?

 

[pcgeek11]

OK, so for someone who does not have money to see a doctor, you recommend waiting till symptoms become life threatening and result in permanent damage before going to the ER? That is your answer for reducing health care costs?

If you have the Flu you should go see a Doctor, not an emergency room. The Flu is not an emergency unless it is untreated and progresses into an emergency as in pneumonia. If you are stupid enough to wait that long before getting treatment at a doctors office. Yeah you get what you asked for.

If you go to the ER every time you get a sniffle then you are retarded.

Oh I know get some insurance.

 

[Acanthus]

Trustfund babies?

Hey that's awesome, we have $80 Billion coming from the Waltons then!

 

[Acanthus]

If you have the Flu you should go see a Doctor, not an emergency room. The Flu is not an emergency unless it is untreated and progresses into an emergency as in pneumonia. If you are stupid enough to wait that long before getting treatment at a doctors office. Yeah you get what you asked for.

If you go to the ER every time you get a sniffle then you are retarded.

Oh I know get some insurance.

Pre-existing conditions, and people that simply can't afford it?

Or if your employer doesn't offer it and only gives you 39 hours per week to keep you part time?

 

[her209]

Voters: We want jobs.
Republicans: Now that we have the House, our first order of business is repeal Obamacare!

 

[Zebo]

Anyone can afford insurance if they have their priorities in line.
A basic plan can be had for ~$100 while a plan with prescription and other benefits can be had for ~$175.

Let see,minimum wage is $7.25. Working 10 hour days at 6 days per week, that is $22,600 per year while health care expenses would be under $2,400.

Those with "pre existing conditions" only make up 3% of the population or roughly 10 million people.

Try again.

I can tell you're young and don't know reality. Put in womanly care, family, 40 somethings, with maybe 1-2 small conditions like asthma or a bad back. Easy over $1200 if they take you. They are free to reject and free to cancel if you're costing them too much.

We're still in our 30s and pay 13 hundred some a month and hoping I don't get canceled cause I used it for two surgeries this year. Probably have another next year getting my wrist rebuilt.

Now I have what called an indemnity plan so it's a little higher but cheap crap plans are still $700 a mo. Hard to pay on $20 an hour unless you live in your car.

 

[Lanyap]

Voters: We want jobs.
Republicans: Now that we have the House, our first order of business is repeal Obamacare!

They want both, among other things.

Election Night 2010: Exit Poll Results
Most Voters Are Angry and Say No To Health Care Law
Tuesday, November 02, 2010

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of those who voted in today’s elections nationwide favor repeal of the national health care bill passed by congressional Democrats in March, including 48% who Strongly Favor it.

Rasmussen Reports telephone surveying nationwide after the polls closed found that 40% are opposed to repeal, with 32% who Strongly Oppose it.

This mirrors what we have found every week in surveys since March.

Sixty-three percent (63%) of those who voted today are at least somewhat angry at the current policies of the federal government. That includes 42% who are Very Angry. Only 32% are not very or not at all angry about those policies.

Just 33% of today’s voters feel the country is going in the right direction which helps explain the projected Republican takeover of the House of Representatives. Sixty-four percent (64%) say the country is traveling down the wrong track.

The survey of 1,000 Voters in the Eastern time zone was conducted on November 2, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

Scott Rasmussen will discuss these and other findings in Rasmussen Reports’ first-ever webinar tomorrow at 1 pm Eastern, but it’s open to Platinum members only.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...n_night/election_night_2010_exit_poll_results

 

[1prophet]

Anyone can afford insurance if they have their priorities in line.
A basic plan can be had for ~$100 while a plan with prescription and other benefits can be had for ~$175.

Let see,minimum wage is $7.25. Working 10 hour days at 6 days per week, that is $22,600 per year while health care expenses would be under $2,400.

Those with "pre existing conditions" only make up 3% of the population or roughly 10 million people.

Try again.

I can tell you're young and don't know reality. Put in womanly care, family, 40 somethings, with maybe 1-2 small conditions like asthma or a bad back. Easy over $1200 if they take you. They are free to reject and free to cancel if you're costing them too much.

We're still in our 30s and pay 13 hundred some a month and hoping I don't get canceled cause I used it for two surgeries this year. Probably have another next year getting my wrist rebuilt.

Now I have what called an indemnity plan so it's a little higher but cheap crap plans are still $700 a mo. Hard to pay on $20 an hour unless you live in your car.

Exactly , that is why this supposed healthcare bill is a farce by forcing those who don't have insurance to buy it,

what will happen is they will seek out those $100-$175 plans that Patranus talks about, yes I have seen them on alot of wasted fax paper advertisements, and when they try to use them they will find out how worthless they are because their is no way an insurance company can make money on plans with such low fee's considering the continual decline in Americans health along with ever increasing health care costs .

The only ones that will benefit will be the insurance companies while they stamp denied on a claim, if the unlucky person can even get a doctor to accept it.


And Patranus most minimum wage jobs limit your hours because they don't want to pay over time, so $7.25x40x52=$15,080 annually.

 

[dawp]

Prophet, most minimum wage jobs are part time anyways so they wont have to pay benefits, i.e., insurance. Many will schedule employees just enough hours to be under that requirement. That is if they even offer benefits.

 

[Red Dawn]

Because I am not retarded .

The juries still out on that one.