Boehner proposes leaving 52 Million Americans without insurance.

[Pulsar]

Health care professionals want rational reform. There are bizarre regulations and procedures we have to go through. Some are from private insurance, most are required by government. If the goal is for the government to assist (not dictate terms) providers it will be viewed as positive. The better care we can give, the less it costs. That's how it should be approached.

As I said about the dems, if they did it right then all they had to do is get out the recommendations and go over them point by point and completely ignore the Reps. The latter would have looked like fools because better care would be the primary goal and the process be completely open. Once the infrastructure was addressed then expanding coverage could have been done in a logical and consistent way. Going beyond what's proposed we have a looming crisis. People are getting older. Heart disease, dementia, diabetes and a host of other things which cannot be cured and are inherently expensive to treat regardless of anyone's cost containment scheme.

Unfortunately, that requires seeing beyond the short term and laying the groundwork correctly. "Fixing it later" never happens.

There's little interest on the part of the public and little comprehension of the problem by the pols.

Were screwed it seems.

Interesting. Most people I know who use healthcare want pretty simple reform. They want the insurance companies outlawed and they want REASONABLE prices to be applied that remove all the middle men and let us pay the actual cost of the service. Go figure.

 

[WackyDan]

Why is it that liberals seem to think health care is a human right when at the same time they believe in Darwin's theory of natural selection? Is it not natural selection that the hard working and successful can afford a health plan and therefore receive the full benefit of their labor? ie; treatments, longer life, etc.

I know that over simplifies the argument for many, but really... It is a fair point.

I worked my ass off to build a solid reputation in my industry. I did so with the lack of any college degree, and am able to get jobs at employers that have strict requirements on higher education.

I was laid off earlier this past year and just got picked up by another major company paying me more than the old company. Along with that I get great health benefits....

During my unemployment, I never once feared I would lose my house, and I was able to enjoy the time off at the same time paying COBRA for my family's health plan....I still have plenty of money in the bank.... This is after the wife got pregnant, delivered 2 and 1/2 months early with a baby in the NICU for the next 60 to 90 days.

Meanwhile... I watch all these welfare queens in the downtown maternity ward popping out their 3rd or 4th meal ticket paid for by my taxes because medicaid is paying the whole fucking bill... One of those welfare queens also has a baby in the NICU at a cost of over $5000 per day... all paid for by medicaid...

And the illegals? Hospitals have that paperwork down cold... Guess who pays for the delivery and post care of their babies? Medicaid.

I've seen enough and I'm sick of it. Let it be known that I support medicaid and early SSI for those that truly need it, or those that need it for several months until they get back on their feet.... but not for those who have decided to live on welfare and social services their whole lives.

So do you see where I believe in Darwin's theory and how it also applies in modern society and health care?

 

[sandorski]

Why is it that liberals seem to think health care is a human right when at the same time they believe in Darwin's theory of natural selection? Is it not natural selection that the hard working and successful can afford a health plan and therefore receive the full benefit of their labor? ie; treatments, longer life, etc.

I know that over simplifies the argument for many, but really... It is a fair point.

I worked my ass off to build a solid reputation in my industry. I did so with the lack of any college degree, and am able to get jobs at employers that have strict requirements on higher education.

I was laid off earlier this past year and just got picked up by another major company paying me more than the old company. Along with that I get great health benefits....

During my unemployment, I never once feared I would lose my house, and I was able to enjoy the time off at the same time paying COBRA for my family's health plan....I still have plenty of money in the bank.... This is after the wife got pregnant, delivered 2 and 1/2 months early with a baby in the NICU for the next 60 to 90 days.

Meanwhile... I watch all these welfare queens in the downtown maternity ward popping out their 3rd or 4th meal ticket paid for by my taxes because medicaid is paying the whole fucking bill... One of those welfare queens also has a baby in the NICU at a cost of over $5000 per day... all paid for by medicaid...

And the illegals? Hospitals have that paperwork down cold... Guess who pays for the delivery and post care of their babies? Medicaid.

I've seen enough and I'm sick of it. Let it be known that I support medicaid and early SSI for those that truly need it, or those that need it for several months until they get back on their feet.... but not for those who have decided to live on welfare and social services their whole lives.

So do you see where I believe in Darwin's theory and how it also applies in modern society and health care?

Hanging out at the Maternity ward watching chicks give birth is creepy dude. Just saying.

 

[lothar]

Does everyone with health insurance now go to doctor for headache, cold, or allergy? I don't think there is a danger of that happening. But we don't want for people to wait till it's life threatening emergency to go to ER and saddle everyone else with their enormous unpaid bill and possible future disability benefits either. It's not rocket surgery, other countries have figured it out.

Nope...That's the point. They stop by the neighborhood pharmacist and ask who then points them to direction on what to use or they self-treat themselves entirely based on what they read online since they can use their FSA on it.

Now I will modify my advice..."Go see your doc so you can get a prescription for Monistat, Colace, Miralax, Tylenol, Sudafed, Pepto-Bismol, Prilosec, Prevacid, Zyrtec, Primatine Mist, Humulin, Novolin, Fish Oil, and other OTC meds if you want to make them eligible on your FSA and claim reimbursement because the new health care law requires a doctor's visit to do that."

Do you think a doc will just write a prescription for those and not bill patient's insurance ~$200+ for diagnosis and patient work-up for that single visit?

If you have seasonal allergies and Zyrtec works for you, you shouldn't be required to visit a doctor to claim reimbursement on an FSA account.

 

[lothar]

Hanging out at the Maternity ward watching chicks give birth is creepy dude. Just saying.

During my unemployment, I never once feared I would lose my house, and I was able to enjoy the time off at the same time paying COBRA for my family's health plan....I still have plenty of money in the bank.... This is after the wife got pregnant, delivered 2 and 1/2 months early with a baby in the NICU for the next 60 to 90 days.

Meanwhile... I watch all these welfare queens in the downtown maternity ward popping out their 3rd or 4th meal ticket paid for by my taxes because medicaid is paying the whole fucking bill... One of those welfare queens also has a baby in the NICU at a cost of over $5000 per day... all paid for by medicaid...

Hanging out at the maternity ward when your wife is pregnant and delivering your child prematurely is creepy?
Wow...You Canadians are weird.

Are you one of those men who stays home while your wife is giving birth?
Does the Canadian health care system prevent husbands from coming to the maternity ward to visit their wife or watch her give birth?

 

[sandorski]

Hanging out at the maternity ward when your wife is pregnant and delivering your child prematurely is creepy?
Wow...You Canadians are weird.

Are you one of those men who stays home while your wife is giving birth?
Does the Canadian health care system prevent husbands from coming to the maternity ward to visit their wife or watch her give birth?

I missed that part.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Interesting. Most people I know who use healthcare want pretty simple reform. They want the insurance companies outlawed and they want REASONABLE prices to be applied that remove all the middle men and let us pay the actual cost of the service. Go figure.

Here's what they really want-

 

[nobodyknows]

Limbaugh claims "exercise freaks ... are the ones putting stress on the health care system"

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200906110027

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Limbaugh claims "exercise freaks ... are the ones putting stress on the health care system"

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200906110027

Nothing he says surprises me. He's on my list of clueless people.

 

[nobodyknows]

Nothing he says surprises me. He's on my list of clueless people.

I guess my point was everyone has their opinion, that doesn't make them right.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I guess my point was everyone has their opinion, that doesn't make them right.

That's true. The sad thing is that few want to think. I see people complaining about things like American life expectancy and that's linked to the health care system or coverage. It's been known for years that its due to our lifestyle. Now about this time someone brings up individual cases. Sure those are problems but you can't go from the specific to the general. Lifestyle is such an issue that the uninsured MN enjoy better health than those with coverage in WV.

I really have to stop reading these threads.

 

[nobodyknows]

That's true. The sad thing is that few want to think. I see people complaining about things like American life expectancy and that's linked to the health care system or coverage. It's been known for years that its due to our lifestyle. Now about this time someone brings up individual cases. Sure those are problems but you can't go from the specific to the general. Lifestyle is such an issue that the uninsured MN enjoy better health than those with coverage in WV.

I really have to stop reading these threads.

LOL, and you can tell that how? Perhaps is as much an issue of genes, or enviroment as it is lifestyle?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the worse health in WV is due to higher obesity rates, which is predominantly a consequence of lifestyle. Our health care system is never going to be fixed until more people actually stop choosing to be unhealthy.

 

[fskimospy]

Why is it that liberals seem to think health care is a human right when at the same time they believe in Darwin's theory of natural selection? Is it not natural selection that the hard working and successful can afford a health plan and therefore receive the full benefit of their labor? ie; treatments, longer life, etc.

I know that over simplifies the argument for many, but really... It is a fair point.

It's really not a fair, or even a relevant point.

First, it's a generalization of what 'liberals' think. Second, accepting the scientific fact of natural selection in nature has absolutely zero to do with how someone might feel we should structure our society. We also believe in a human right not to be unjustly deprived of life, nature doesn't. Nature doesn't even have a concept of what 'just' is. We believe in human rights against torture, against rape, etc and nature couldn't care less about any of them.

 

[nobodyknows]

^^^ WhackyDan believes in applying Darwins theory of nautural selection.... so long as we have laws to protect him from being that "theory" from going to far (i.e. being robbed or murdered). I willing to bet he believes the markets are "free" too.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

LOL, and you can tell that how? Perhaps is as much an issue of genes, or enviroment as it is lifestyle?

How can you tell the world isn't flat? You go out and do the science. It's not like people can't access morbidity and mortality studies. This kind of thing has been done to death.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Limbaugh should be the one exercising...

 

[Zorkorist]

It's really not a fair, or even a relevant point.

First, it's a generalization of what 'liberals' think. Second, accepting the scientific fact of natural selection in nature has absolutely zero to do with how someone might feel we should structure our society. We also believe in a human right not to be unjustly deprived of life, nature doesn't. Nature doesn't even have a concept of what 'just' is. We believe in human rights against torture, against rape, etc and nature couldn't care less about any of them.

Nature is the epidimy of "just."

There are no courts, judges, lawyers, policemen.

There is only pure honesty and pure brutality and sometimes pure compassion.

To call Nature anything other than just, is to believe in Communism.

You can't understand Man, if you can't understand Nature.

-John

 

[fskimospy]

Nature is the epidimy of "just."

There are no courts, judges, lawyers, policemen.

There is only pure honesty and pure brutality and sometimes pure compassion.

To call Nature anything other than just, is to believe in Communism.

You can't understand Man, if you can't understand Nature.

-John

Fortunately, your made up definition of justice is not recognized by the rest of humanity. Since we are attempting to communicate with fellow humans on here, what you wrote was a waste of everyone's time.

I will have to say that your statement of 'to call nature anything other than just is to believe in communism' is a pretty amazing non sequitur. Making up that sort of babble isn't easy.

 

[sandorski]

Fortunately, your made up definition of justice is not recognized by the rest of humanity. Since we are attempting to communicate with fellow humans on here, what you wrote was a waste of everyone's time.

I will have to say that your statement of 'to call nature anything other than just is to believe in communism' is a pretty amazing non sequitur. Making up that sort of babble isn't easy.

It seems pretty obvious that you want to kill 20 million Ukrainians!

 

[fskimospy]

It seems pretty obvious that you want to kill 20 million Ukrainians!

The Ukraine is weak!