Boehner decided what he is suing Obama for: Obamacare is taking too long!

[theeedude]

(1) is still unquestionably true. If healthcare costs are lowered in general for everyone then everyone(including Boehner) will benefit.

Why would health care costs be unquestionably lowered by the employer mandate, and how would Boehner benefit?

 

[Genx87]

I'm not sure he has standing and even if he does this is a stupid way of going after the law. I do think Obama picking and choosing which parts of the law moves forward is crap as well. But Republicans in the house have tools to deal with that. Cutoff funding. But they don't have the ball sacks or brainpower to try it.

 

[werepossum]

Seems to me Obama is delaying the particularly painful aspects of the ACA unlawfully. OFC its political what they are both doing but Obama is wrong in not upholding law.

Law and order is like a cornerstone of good civilization. Check my posts from way back where I rail on criminal Bush.

I just leave this here

“The government is the potent omnipresent teacher. For good or ill it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that the end justifies the means — to declare that the government may commit crimes — would bring terrible retribution.”

-Louis Brandeis

Two things here. First, while I'm sure there are political concerns involved, the parts delayed were parts which were not properly functioning, so that implementing them on time would have impossible as a practical matter. It's one thing to develop translation software to translate each major employer's software output into the required input - you develop it once and then use it over and over. It's quite another to do that for the many thousand small employers, which in practical terms would have meant calling every single company for definitions on every field. There aren't enough employees in the whole government to do that in a few months. If government utterly fails as in this case, insisting that the fail be embraced on the predetermined schedule is cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

Second, the main thrust of Obamacare is to empower the unelected bureaucracy, as we've seen with the new "right" of having someone else pay for your birth control. How does it make sense to say it's okay to allow the unelected bureaucracy to determine what the law will be, but they damned well better implement it exactly on schedule? Surely content of the law trumps implementation of the law on the scale of importance.

 

[hal2kilo]

boehner has a thorn in his paw and he needs obamacare to take it out..

wow...

That thorn would be the tea party.

 

[piasabird]

President Obama passed a law for ACA and now he refuses to implement it because it is not politically viable. So either implement it or get rid of it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Second, the main thrust of Obamacare is to empower the unelected bureaucracy, as we've seen with the new "right" of having someone else pay for your birth control.

Merely asserting falsehood ad nauseum does not make it true, other than among the ranks of right wing rubes.

Birth control is a feature of all ACA plans, even those where participants receive no subsidy at all. Only those who qualify for the medicaid extension receive birth control that somebody else is paying for.

Think of it the same way you'd think that somebody else is paying for your house when you deduct the interest from your taxable income or the same way somebody else is paying for farms w/ ag subsidies.

It's shameful idiocy the way that Righties vilify people who don't have good paying jobs in an economy where their much worshipped Job Creators have eliminated many such jobs.

 

[theeedude]

President Obama passed a law for ACA and now he refuses to implement it because it is not politically viable. So either implement it or get rid of it.

I think they are going to get rid of employer mandate.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think they are going to get rid of employer mandate.

When pigs fly.

 

[theeedude]

When pigs fly.

Employer provided insurance is a dying model. People may be better off getting Obamacare through exchanges than insurance through the employer.

 

[Oldgamer]

This whole thing, is just so bizarre to me. He knows there is nothing impeachable so let's try the lawsuit route, yet there really isn't anything POTUS has done that is worth suing over either. A total waste yet again, of tax payer funds and time wasted in congress. That money and time should be going into forming and shaping constructive policies for our country and not doing a "tit for tat' with the sitting president and his sitting administration.

 

[Jhhnn]

Employer provided insurance is a dying model. People may be better off getting Obamacare through exchanges than insurance through the employer.

Only in that sense do I agree. It's a long ways off if it happens at all.

 

[her209]

How's Boehner doing on his Pledge?

 

[Jhhnn]

This whole thing, is just so bizarre to me. He knows there is nothing impeachable so let's try the lawsuit route, yet there really isn't anything POTUS has done that is worth suing over either. A total waste yet again, of tax payer funds and time wasted in congress. That money and time should be going into forming and shaping constructive policies for our country and not doing a "tit for tat' with the sitting president and his sitting administration.

There's a catch to that, Catch 22. Current Repub ideology rules out the possibility of forming & shaping constructive policy altogether.

They practice the politics of greed, fear, spite & divisiveness entirely.

 

[theeedude]

Boehner decided he was going to sue first and announced it. Then he started looking what he was going to sue for. All he could come up with was to sue over delaying Obamacare. This is after he shut down the government and damaged the US credit rating over his party's demand that Obama delay Obamacare.

 

[Jhhnn]

Boehner decided he was going to sue first and announced it. Then he started looking what he was going to sue for. All he could come up with was to sue over delaying Obamacare. This is after he shut down the government and damaged the US credit rating over his party's demand that Obama delay Obamacare.

You can't expect the 'tards to remember any of that, blind rage being what it is.

 

[werepossum]

Employer provided insurance is a dying model. People may be better off getting Obamacare through exchanges than insurance through the employer.

I agree with that, but people don't want the responsibility. Which is why we'll eventually have single payer.