Bobby Jindal for VP (R)

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http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12894

How McCain Can Win the Base

How McCain Can Win the Base
By James P. Lucier
Published 3/14/2008 12:08:15 AM

Even as the Democratic presidential contest seems to be morphing into Dr. Doolittle's mythical beast with a head at each end, the pushmi-pullyu, John McCain has the chance to make a leisurely choice of potential running mates. But he had better not wait too long.

The spectacle of a third of voters in the Republican primaries in Texas and Ohio voting for the doomed candidacy of Mike Huckabee suggests strongly that McCain still hasn't won over the base of the Republican Party. It's a question of trust, but verify. As Hillary Clinton says of Barack Obama, one speech does not make up for her experience as a housewife at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Nor can one speech by McCain at CPAC win over a disgruntled base of folks who may very well stay home, as they did for G.H.W. Bush the second time and for Bob Dole. The base is looking for action, not words.

That's why McCain's choice of vice presidential running mate can make or break his candidacy. The party's professional trunk-waving pachyderms and the beltway bozos who think that pragmatism will win the new day are already offering up a list of business-as-usual candidates. But pragmatism is not practical in the long run. There's Governor Whatshisname from one of those Ice Belt states that always seem to be ready to fall over the border into Canada. Then there's that other governor in Florida who, seizing the opportunity, endorsed McCain four days before the primary. Some are getting excited about Condoleezza Rice, who puts forward a pretty face even as she has done nothing but act as a front for the Foreign Service Corps establishment ever since she got the job.

No, this is the time for change, real change. This is a time for someone whom everybody knows to be the rising star of the GOP, the new governor of Louisiana, Bobby Jindal.

And what a governor! Sworn as Governor in January, after winning 54 percent of the vote in the open-field primary, Jindal immediately called a special session of the legislature and persuaded them to pass his 64-point agenda for ethics reform. They said ethics reform couldn't be done in Louisiana -- a state whose reputation as a cesspool is legendary -- but he did it in a two-week session. Now he's calling a second special session to pass the tax cuts necessary to jump-start the post-Katrina economy in his state.


DO SOME PEOPLE THINK that McCain is too old at 71? The Constitution does require a back-up, no matter how old the President. Jindal can balance the ticket. At 36, he has the accomplishments you would expect at 47. Obama, at 47, has the accomplishments you would expect at 36. Jindal more than meets the Constitutional age requirements if he were to succeed to the Presidency, and has more executive and legislative experience than the two Democrats combined. His nomination would convince the rising generation that there's hope for the young.

Do some think this is an election about experience? Jindal, who was elected to Rep. David Vitter's seat when Vitter ran for U.S. Senate in 2003, was re-elected for a second term with 88 percent of the vote. That's not enough experience? It's as much experience in Congress as Barack Obama has to show for his three years. Oh, and by the way, Jindal, in his last term, had an ACU rating of 100, with 96 for both terms. In addition he has consistently taken the No New Taxes pledge proposed by Americans for Tax Reform.

Maybe some think that this is going to be an election about health care? Jindal's the man. In 1991 he was a young Hill staffer working for U.S. Rep. Jim McCrery. One day McCrery asked him to look over some Medicare plans being proposed in committee. A couple of days later, he brought back to the boss a totally revised system that was so impressive McCrery introduced him to Louisiana Governor Murphy J. Foster Jr. A few years later, Jindal, at the age of 24, was appointed Secretary of the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals. He took hold of the state's Medicare program, which was running at a loss of $400 million, and in three years produced a surplus of $200 million. He later became chairman of the National Bipartisan Commission on the Future of Medicare. In 2001, he was nominated by President George W. Bush and approved by the U.S. Senate to be Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation of Health and Human Services. If Jindal gets a chance to debate Hillary Clinton, Hillary will be fumbling for her cue cards.

Is this going to be an election about education? Jindal is an expert at that too. Jindal graduated from high school at age 16, took a bachelor's degree at Brown University, and then got a Masters degree at New College, Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. After he cleaned up the Medicare mess in Louisiana, he was appointed in 1999 as President of the University of Louisiana System.

Maybe you think the central question in this election is going to be about immigration. Jindal knows all about that first hand. Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, La., of hard-working parents who emigrated from India. His father was one of nine children from a poor family in a small village in the Punjab. He could give a lot of advice to McCain. Jindal favors immigration -- legal immigration. He is strongly opposed to illegal immigration. As an addition to the white-bread McCain ticket, he would reach out to all people of color. It would be interesting to see him go head-to-head with Barack Obama in an immigration debate.

But what about the "values voters"? Will they cotton up to the son of immigrants? It doesn't seem to have prevented him from rolling up huge majorities in Louisiana. Born a Hindu, Jindal converted to Roman Catholicism in high school and has remained a devoted practitioner of his faith. He campaigns four-square in favor of the human rights of unborn children. He is opposed to embryonic stem-cell research, and same-sex marriage. In the gubernatorial election, he visited scores of pentecostal and evangelical churches and won them over with his testimony. As a result, he had majorities or pluralities in 60 of the 64 Louisiana districts. In the Louisiana open primary system, Republican and Democrat candidates all appear on the same ballot, and all compete with each other. If no one gets 50 percent, a run-off is held. That's why Jindal's 54 percent win on the first ballot was so significant.


THE FINAL QUESTION that remains is, what does he know about terrorism? Well, when he was a congressman from the first district of Louisiana he voted against a $6.5 billion aid bill for post-Katrina restoration because it included the Democrats' poison-pill for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq.

Even beyond that, he surely could not be ignorant of his own ethnic heritage, even though he was born in the United States. India today is the largest Hindu state in the world; but in terms of population it is the second-largest Muslim state in the world (only Indonesia is larger). Despite continuing religious and demographic tensions, India has developed stable democratic institutions. But Pakistan is a different case. The Punjab is a vast region that stretches from Chandigarh in India on the east to the mountainous Northwest territories and Waziristan districts of Pakistan. When the British granted independence in 1947, the Punjab was partitioned with approximately one-third in India, and the other two-thirds in what was to have been the majority-Muslim state of Pakistan. Within weeks the Muslims began a genocidal jihad against the Hindus and Sikhs to drive them out of Pakistan. Thousands of non-Muslims were slaughtered, hundreds of villages burned. Millions of non-Muslims streamed out of Pakistan on foot, on trucks, on trains, and on the top of trains. Millions of Muslims streamed in. In all, 20 million people were dislocated. Pakistan was no longer Muslim majority; it was virtually all Muslim. This lasting scar has been the cause of three wars between India and Pakistan, and a nuclear arms race on each side.

It is not surprising that Pakistan became the incubator of the Taliban, nor that Waziristan now seems to be the home of Osama bin Laden and the remnant of al-Qaeda. Nor is it surprising that al-Qaeda forces, after basic training, were sent to Kashmir to get battle-hardened. Virtually all Indian Punjabis can recite these horrors chapter and verse. My guess is that, if Jindal were elected Vice President, he would not need to get any CIA briefings about Pakistan and Waziristan, or the nature of the terrorist threat.

If McCain is to win, he needs not just numbers but enthusiasm. The Democratic primaries consistently have brought out twice as many voters as the Republican primaries. Jindal has already demonstrated that he can get voters enthused. The old rules that chose vice presidents for sectional balance or the ability to win big states are out of date. Moreover, Jindal record on issues and accomplishment can easily satisfy the base of the Republican Party. He rises above provincialism. His ethnicity will appeal not only to minorities at home who feel that they have been ignored, but will reach out across oceans to project the American dream to the world. Jindal has crammed a lot of legislative and executive experience into a career that is just beginning. If McCain wants to prove to conservatives that he means business and not empty words, he could not do better than to chose Jindal. Soon.


James P. Lucier Sr. is a writer who lives in Leesburg, Virginia.

Damn impressive resume and someone who is committed to making change happen. I'm amazed at his accomplishments at such a young age of 36.

I think more of the conservative base and young voters would come out in support of McCain with this choice.




 

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I can almost guarantee McCain will pick a woman or a non-white VP candidate.

It's a cheap, hollow PR move (much like Bush appointing Uncle Tom Powell as Sec. Of State), but it's his only shot of not getting routed by both women and non-white voters in the general election.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
I can almost guarantee McCain will pick a woman or a non-white VP candidate.

It's a cheap, hollow PR move (much like Bush appointing Uncle Tom Powell as Sec. Of State), but it's his only shot of not getting routed by both women and non-white voters in the general election.

are you black?
 

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Jindal brings nothing to the table. McCain is assured the South and needs a VP who can appeal to Northerners and Westerners, and ideally give him a shot at big state.
Jindal is a non-starter.
 

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Originally posted by: EXman
are you black?
Why, because I have "Obama '08" in my signature?
 

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IDK, the guy was just elected governor.

Hehe, this remark is absurd:

Obama, at 47, has the accomplishments you would expect at 36.

I think Obama won IL state senator in 1999, and US senator '04. I guess now if you're not at least a state senator when you're in your 20's, you suck. :confused:

Fern
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: EXman
are you black?
Why, because I have "Obama '08" in my signature?

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I can almost guarantee McCain will pick a woman or a non-white VP candidate.

It's a cheap, hollow PR move (much like Bush appointing Uncle Tom Powell as Sec. Of State), but it's his only shot of not getting routed by both women and non-white voters in the general election.

No cause you Just said this in Bold which you didn't want to Quote yourself? Overtly racist comment.
 

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Originally posted by: EXman
No cause you Just said this in Bold which you didn't want to Quote yourself? Overtly racist comment.
I don't like nested quoting; my original comment is right there for everyone to see.

Uncle Tom - Uncle Tom is a pejorative for an African American who is perceived by others as behaving in a subservient manner to White American authority figures, or as seeking ingratiation with them by way of unnecessary accommodation.

As for why Colin Powell was an administration lap-dog, this sums it up nicely. He was a black moderate brought in to give the administration the allure of diversity, and but he abandoned his moderate views quickly when the administration needed a 'voice of reason' to support their unreasonable stance on Iraq.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: EXman
No cause you Just said this in Bold which you didn't want to Quote yourself? Overtly racist comment.
I don't like nested quoting; my original comment is right there for everyone to see.

Uncle Tom - Uncle Tom is a pejorative for an African American who is perceived by others as behaving in a subservient manner to White American authority figures, or as seeking ingratiation with them by way of unnecessary accommodation.

As for why Colin Powell was an administration lap-dog, this sums it up nicely. He was a black moderate brought in to give the administration the allure of diversity, and but he abandoned his moderate views quickly when the administration needed a 'voice of reason' to support their unreasonable stance on Iraq.

Are you black?
 

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Originally posted by: Fern
IDK, the guy was just elected governor.

Hehe, this remark is absurd:

Obama, at 47, has the accomplishments you would expect at 36.

I think Obama won IL state senator in 1999, and US senator '04. I guess now if you're not at least a state senator when you're in your 20's, you suck. :confused:

Fern

I saw that also and was going to comment on it.

Do you think that the piece was written by someone that just might have very minute right leaning tendencies?
 

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Originally posted by: techs
Jindal brings nothing to the table. McCain is assured the South and needs a VP who can appeal to Northerners and Westerners, and ideally give him a shot at big state.
Jindal is a non-starter.

Jindal ran on the promise of trying to rebuild Louisiana. What will it say to the people that voted for him just this past October that he would jump ship the first chance he got. LA isn't going Democratic but it doesn't look that great.
 

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Originally posted by: chowderhead
Originally posted by: techs
Jindal brings nothing to the table. McCain is assured the South and needs a VP who can appeal to Northerners and Westerners, and ideally give him a shot at big state.
Jindal is a non-starter.

Jindal ran on the promise of trying to rebuild Louisiana. What will it say to the people that voted for him just this past October that he would jump ship the first chance he got. LA isn't going Democratic but it doesn't look that great.

I'm from New Orleans, and I voted for Jindal twice. He's wildly popular, and I'd be thrilled to see him chosen as the VP Candidate.
 

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I hope he does not pick Bobby Jindal for VP. The guy is an opportunist.

Here's on op-ed from an Indian magazine which pretty much sums up the thinking of majority of Indian immigrants to the US:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/ar...%5Carchives2%5Coct2507

Bobby Jindal, who?

Anuradha Dutt

There's nothing about the new Louisiana Governor that's Indian. Why celebrate his win?

In a nation of immigrants, it is completely legitimate that Mr Bobby Jindal, of Punjabi origin, should have been elected Governor of the American State of Louisiana. Rather, it is somewhat late in the day for a representative of the largely well-educated and affluent Indian community to have made a mark in politics, underlining the dominance of the US by the White ruling elite that shapes policies, and lays down the parameters for civilised existence.

Then, it is only to be expected that Mr Jindal fit perfectly into this social matrix, having changed his name from Piyush to Bobby, after a character in The Brady Bunch, a popular television show; and embraced Christianity in his teens. These actions expose his pronounced eagerness to be accepted by the White Christian population of the US by burying his ethnicity. Whatever else he may be, he is not the 'other'.

For all purposes, Mr Jindal is an all-American church-going family man, parroting the ultra-conservative jargon of the Republican Party to which he belongs. He thus wants Biblical view of creationism to be taught in place of Darwinian theory of evolution in public schools; supports a ban on abortion, and opposes affirmative action and laws against hate crimes. There is really little to distinguish him from his boss, US President George W Bush.

In contrast, most Indian immigrants are proud of their origins and culture, making it a point to celebrate their religious festivals with fervour, and instil the love for their antecedents in their progeny. But they also retain the secular temper of their motherland, and its respect for pluralism in race, religion and lifestyle.


Mr Jindal's triumph is his alone, and not shared by the majority of American Indians, who support the liberal Democratic Party. Mr Toby Chaudhury, spokesman of the Indian American Leadership Initiative (IALI), which sides with the Democrats, observes that Mr Jindal may have cornered "the Mother Teresa vote but Mahatma Gandhi certainly would have opposed him on principle". Little wonder that he should have become governor of a backward State, with a meagre Indian population of less than 10,000. The fact that he is the first Indian member of the Republican Party to have risen this high indicates that he has, like a chameleon, succeeded in transmuting his identity and shedding his affiliation with the country of his origin.

A local paper, the Times-Picayune, qualifies Mr Jindal's achievement by its cryptic remark that his victory did not quite make the Indo-American community delirious with joy. And that, clearly, is because Louisiana does not figure in its scheme of things, being peripheral to its concerns. Most Indians, being tolerant, are also wary of his conservative views like, for instance, his espousal of Christian prayers in school. The bulk of the people really celebrating his victory are in his village Khanpur and his biradri in Punjab. For, his election opens up the doors of opportunity to them as they feel that it might be easier now for them to emigrate to the US. Whether an influx from Punjab will actually occur in the wake of his elevation to Louisiana Governor is a matter of surmise. Given the US's fear of South Asians after the 9/11 attacks on New York, it is unlikely that immigration rules will be relaxed.

Some, like one of his aunts, see a future President in Mr Jindal - an unwelcome proposition for Americans other than Indians. Lest his brethren back in his village go overboard in their jubilation over his victory, they need to remember these sobering facts. One, Mr Jindal's loyalties lie with the US, not India. His parents willingly relinquished Indian citizenship for personal gain. This, unfortunately, is a matter of no relevance to the community of immigrants, who belong to no man's land, being driven by self-interest. Two, his conversion to Christianity and change of name seems to have been a calculated move, impelled by ambition and not the greater good. It is necessary to find out whether, after entering politics, he has encouraged evangelical activities in his forefathers' village. Three, his continuing links with his ancestral village may prove to be a bone of contention for India and the US if he chooses to keep a leg in both the countries, and owns land and property in Punjab. It may be pertinent to note that he is reported to be an influential member of the pro-nuclear deal camp, and may have business links.

In light of these facts, the euphoria in India, more so in the Indian media, over his victory needs to be tempered with caution.


 

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Originally posted by: Corbett
You mean like Democrats putting up a black man and a white woman?
The field included several white male candidates as well. It was the people who chose the candidates, not the party.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Corbett
You mean like Democrats putting up a black man and a white woman?
The field included several white male candidates as well. It was the people who chose the candidates, not the party.

The rest of them had as much of a chance as Ron Paul and you know it.
 

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EXman

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Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: EXman
No cause you Just said this in Bold which you didn't want to Quote yourself? Overtly racist comment.
I don't like nested quoting; my original comment is right there for everyone to see.

Uncle Tom - Uncle Tom is a pejorative for an African American who is perceived by others as behaving in a subservient manner to White American authority figures, or as seeking ingratiation with them by way of unnecessary accommodation.

As for why Colin Powell was an administration lap-dog, this sums it up nicely. He was a black moderate brought in to give the administration the allure of diversity, and but he abandoned his moderate views quickly when the administration needed a 'voice of reason' to support their unreasonable stance on Iraq.

Are you black?

I didn't think so...

Figures jpeyton I guess you support a black man but you yourself use racially insensitive language. Just because you support a black does not make you black. White people cannot call Colin Powell a "Uncle Tom." Only black folks can call him that. I think you were just trying to fit in kinda of like when Kerry Collins called a team mate *igger cause he thought that make him fit in. It backfired and got him fired shortly there after.

Regardless you are suporting the double standard about only Republicans are the only ones that cannot talk about race.
 

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Originally posted by: EXman
Just because you support a black does not make you black.
I'm well aware of this.

White people cannot call Colin Powell a "Uncle Tom." Only black folks can call him that.
That's a double-standard I don't support.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: EXman
Just because you support a black does not make you black.
I'm well aware of this.

White people cannot call Colin Powell a "Uncle Tom." Only black folks can call him that.
That's a double-standard I don't support.

I guess you think white folks using the "N" word is ok too then. gotcha... let me know how that works out for you. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Corbett
You mean like Democrats putting up a black man and a white woman?
The field included several white male candidates as well. It was the people who chose the candidates, not the party.

And it's the party who pushes the candidate who fits their agenda upon us.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
I hope he does not pick Bobby Jindal for VP. The guy is an opportunist.

Here's on op-ed from an Indian magazine which pretty much sums up the thinking of majority of Indian immigrants to the US:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/ar...%5Carchives2%5Coct2507

Bobby Jindal, who?

Anuradha Dutt

There's nothing about the new Louisiana Governor that's Indian. Why celebrate his win?

In a nation of immigrants, it is completely legitimate that Mr Bobby Jindal, of Punjabi origin, should have been elected Governor of the American State of Louisiana. Rather, it is somewhat late in the day for a representative of the largely well-educated and affluent Indian community to have made a mark in politics, underlining the dominance of the US by the White ruling elite that shapes policies, and lays down the parameters for civilised existence.

Then, it is only to be expected that Mr Jindal fit perfectly into this social matrix, having changed his name from Piyush to Bobby, after a character in The Brady Bunch, a popular television show; and embraced Christianity in his teens. These actions expose his pronounced eagerness to be accepted by the White Christian population of the US by burying his ethnicity. Whatever else he may be, he is not the 'other'.

For all purposes, Mr Jindal is an all-American church-going family man, parroting the ultra-conservative jargon of the Republican Party to which he belongs. He thus wants Biblical view of creationism to be taught in place of Darwinian theory of evolution in public schools; supports a ban on abortion, and opposes affirmative action and laws against hate crimes. There is really little to distinguish him from his boss, US President George W Bush.

In contrast, most Indian immigrants are proud of their origins and culture, making it a point to celebrate their religious festivals with fervour, and instil the love for their antecedents in their progeny. But they also retain the secular temper of their motherland, and its respect for pluralism in race, religion and lifestyle.


Mr Jindal's triumph is his alone, and not shared by the majority of American Indians, who support the liberal Democratic Party. Mr Toby Chaudhury, spokesman of the Indian American Leadership Initiative (IALI), which sides with the Democrats, observes that Mr Jindal may have cornered "the Mother Teresa vote but Mahatma Gandhi certainly would have opposed him on principle". Little wonder that he should have become governor of a backward State, with a meagre Indian population of less than 10,000. The fact that he is the first Indian member of the Republican Party to have risen this high indicates that he has, like a chameleon, succeeded in transmuting his identity and shedding his affiliation with the country of his origin.

A local paper, the Times-Picayune, qualifies Mr Jindal's achievement by its cryptic remark that his victory did not quite make the Indo-American community delirious with joy. And that, clearly, is because Louisiana does not figure in its scheme of things, being peripheral to its concerns. Most Indians, being tolerant, are also wary of his conservative views like, for instance, his espousal of Christian prayers in school. The bulk of the people really celebrating his victory are in his village Khanpur and his biradri in Punjab. For, his election opens up the doors of opportunity to them as they feel that it might be easier now for them to emigrate to the US. Whether an influx from Punjab will actually occur in the wake of his elevation to Louisiana Governor is a matter of surmise. Given the US's fear of South Asians after the 9/11 attacks on New York, it is unlikely that immigration rules will be relaxed.

Some, like one of his aunts, see a future President in Mr Jindal - an unwelcome proposition for Americans other than Indians. Lest his brethren back in his village go overboard in their jubilation over his victory, they need to remember these sobering facts. One, Mr Jindal's loyalties lie with the US, not India. His parents willingly relinquished Indian citizenship for personal gain. This, unfortunately, is a matter of no relevance to the community of immigrants, who belong to no man's land, being driven by self-interest. Two, his conversion to Christianity and change of name seems to have been a calculated move, impelled by ambition and not the greater good. It is necessary to find out whether, after entering politics, he has encouraged evangelical activities in his forefathers' village. Three, his continuing links with his ancestral village may prove to be a bone of contention for India and the US if he chooses to keep a leg in both the countries, and owns land and property in Punjab. It may be pertinent to note that he is reported to be an influential member of the pro-nuclear deal camp, and may have business links.

In light of these facts, the euphoria in India, more so in the Indian media, over his victory needs to be tempered with caution.

While some of what that person says may be true, a lot of it is bizarre.

Then, it is only to be expected that Mr Jindal fit perfectly into this social matrix, having changed his name from Piyush to Bobby, after a character in The Brady Bunch, a popular television show;

It is common for Indians to have nicknames or "pet" names. I've known several Indians with names like Bobby.

and embraced Christianity in his teens

Lots of Indians are Christian. Also, recent polls show that religious conversion in the US is popular.

In contrast, most Indian immigrants are proud of their origins and culture, making it a point to celebrate their religious festivals with fervour, and instil the love for their antecedents in their progeny.

Jindal is not an immigrant. Also, it is common, especially among Indian males, to lose interest in religious/cultural affairs of their parents.
 

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What people don't understand about McCain having a young VP is it will draw the same effective criticism that Clinton is getting for saying she'd nominate Obama as VP. He'd try to cast Obama off as inexperienced, not ready for the presidency, while running to be the oldest first-term president in history with a 36-year-old backup. What a joke this idea is.